Let my Duolingo streak expire cos I don't want to give them any more AI training for free and this popped up 🙄

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• eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  6 lessons? ew.

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’re pathetic but not in a way I like.

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• flango@lemmy.eco.br ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Duolingo is not about learning a language. It’s about giving you the illusion of learning a language.

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  • Doom@ttrpg.network ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Look fuck the company but Duolingo absolutely can help learn a language

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  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As long as I learn to ask where the bathroom is before I get there I’ll bet ok.

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• PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Same, it was sad but I’m not gonna use the all anymore due to that decision.

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• DogWater@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What is duo doing that’s bad with AI?

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Generating excercises. Not only is it a way to cut staffing, but now you don’t know if the thing you just learned is a real word or phrase or if AI hallucinated it up.

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    • bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The word “hallucinating” for AI spewing falsehoods should be replaced by “bullshitting”. Because, in all seriousness, that’s what it is - as has been convincingly argued in “ChatGPT is bullshit”

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    • DogWater@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah that’s fucking awful. Ugh

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• Nelots@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I remember a while back, I was too busy for a little while to use Duo and came back to the widget trying to guilt trip me into using it. Because I missed like half a week. It’s so toxic and honestly isn’t even that useful for learning. So I uninstalled that shit immediately.

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  • fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can ask for an apple in so many languages.

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• atlien51@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Stfu duolingo

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• starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why the fuck is it still installed

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  • CelloMike@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lemmy.world/comment/17439328

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• andrej@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Soon you can switch to Lingonaut and take your duolingo streak with you: lingonaut.app

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  • Sporkbomber@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Define soon. Their progress per language is around 10%, with the highest completion percentage being Czech at 20%.

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    • ghen@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s no way it’ll have the language I’m learning any time soon lol. Duolingo is literally it besides traveling there and talking to locals

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  • JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Interesting. Is it going to work offline?

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• Kekzkrieger@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why not uninstall it bro

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  • CelloMike@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    lemmy.world/comment/17439328

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• Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Duolingo is so stupidly annoying these days. It has gotten so much worse compared to a few years ago.

  Constant bugging, too many popups that are almost as bad as Microsoft products. I want to learn a goddamn language not jump through a hundred hoops every single time.

  Not to mention that it all boils down to a guessing game. Some questions have multiple answers and unless you choose that specific one that DuoLingo had in mind it counts as wrong. It also won’t tell you why you guessed wrong.

  Are there better apps these days?

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  • SirQuack@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Duolingo isn’t in the business to teach you a a language, that would mean you won’t need the app anymore.

    I’ve used Babbel, it seems more to learn a language, but it requires a paid plan to use. It does work more like an actual language course though, with more emphasis on longer sessions instead of 5 min per day.

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• Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Exactly why I stopped so using it so quickly.

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  • toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No mas

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• hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I stopped using duolingo a couple years ago because I noticed I was just doing the bare minimum to maintain my streak instead of actually learning something new.

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  • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that actually helped me remember that my target language exists, it was good for me to at least have a brush with some learning on the days that i just didn’t feel like doing much.

    what was the final nail on the coffin for me was duolingo neutering the japanese course, they delayed introducing kanji so hard i was seeing the most basic basics like 母, 父, 語, even 何 in hiragana, which made the course deeply counterproductive as reading japanese in hiragana only, when you know the kanji already slows you down considerably. consider: ははははなをもっています vs 母は花を持っています, both mean “my mum has a flower” but one of them has a string of は you need to decipher the meaning of first before you can understand the sentence, the other’s meaning can be understood instantly

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    • hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s a shame. Duolingo was never great for learning kana, so I guess they thought to use it more in lessons, but they should’ve just improved the dedicated kana lessons instead. I had learned kana before using duolingo so it was a smooth transition to take on sentences introducing more and more kanji. It sucks that they’re just making things worse since there were some nice things about the app before.

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  • ledge@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same thing happened to me. Also when trying something new, failing took something like gems or hearts. That made it so I only grinded the very easy lessons to get the gems and never actually using them.

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    • hark@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh yeah, that’s another thing! They made it tedious to make progress, probably in an attempt to squeeze out more money, but I ended up just losing motivation for actually learning because it became a drag.

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  • quoll@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if a non shit app would add an “import streak” feature (just make me upload a screenshot or type in the number) id switch in a heart beat.

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    • Holyginz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why is a streak so important?

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• voodooattack@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  2291 days streak

  Fuck. I dunno what to do with this

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  • Dicska@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve been using the free version with ad blockers (and browser only) for years. No annoying notifications, no ads, no tracking of user data via an app, and I simply press back on the occasional Super promotion page. The only thing I miss is the discussion page for every lesson/question.

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  • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think posting your high score might make people want to top you.

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    • fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But I am le tired

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    • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s unfortunate they stopped subbing…

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    • DoubleSpace@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      UwU

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• Sho@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had a streak in the triple digits, just un-installed it. I’ll be damned if I’m going to use that AI slop anymore.

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• cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Come to think of it, an application threatening, shaming, and guilt tripping you into coming back might not be the healthiest thing ever.

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Kinda does wonders to develop habits when you have ADHD.

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    • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that’s why i liked duolingo when it was a good leanguage learning helper app, it really did keep me thinking about my target langauge every day at least a little

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The aggressive notifications to do a lesson are literally why I use it. I have ADHD. Without the owl threatening to kill me and everyone I know, I would forget about it and forget all that I’ve learned so far. 😔

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It could be aggressively persistent without sounding like a psycho, too, no? I mean, I have no frame of reference, but I sort of assume that constant reminders would work as well as constant belittling reminders. Maybe I’m wrong.

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    • ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The gamification is genuinely so helpful. You can get it through other apps like habitica with some setup. I have ADHD too but I found Duolingo good for habit building but jot the greatest for actual language learning

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    • monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah i uninstalled

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    DuoLingo replicates all the same patterns as an abusive relationship.

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    • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Image

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• nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wife’s streak is at 1,618 days across multiple categories. Almost 4.5 years. I imagine it’s like smoking at this point.

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  • musubibreakfast@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does she actually speak the language she’s learning?

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    • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not even a little

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having heard very mixed things about Duolingo’s actual usefulness, does your wife speak or write well in any of the languages she’s used the app to learn?

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    • psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My friend learn japanese and able to speak fluently after using the app. Though she does have japanese customer from time to time that she can test it with some of them.

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    • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not at all

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  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What is the actual point of a streak?

    A sense of pride and accomplishment?

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    • voodooattack@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sense of achievement mainly

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    • CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To make you addicted so you keep coming back

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    • percent@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personally, my interest in language learning comes and goes. Doing the minimum to maintain a streak prevents me from forgetting too much before my interest returns.

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    • cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Gamification including social aspects if you’re a regular app user.

      Abusive ex if you aren’t a regular user.

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At one point it was gamification to tie the reward center of your brain into continuing to train using the app. Now it seems that it’s half that or half en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern to get you to pay to keep that reward system going.

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• Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Streaks” are shitty dark patterns IMO.

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  • grandma@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah but at least the interests of the user and duolingo are somewhat aligned in this case

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  • Owlboi@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    people calling every tactic to keep users more engaged a dark pattern these days is giving me teenagers using therapy speak in wrong ways vibes

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  • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wish the whole streak paradigm was time weighted. Like I got over a 1 year streak on my Apple watch over Covid. That’s basically never going to happen again. I wish there was some kind of “this is your longest streak in the past <time period>” or something. It all just feels so all or nothing.

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    • Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I believe you can get a users longest streak from the public API end point. IIRC it’s something like duolingo.com/users/{username} but it’s been a few years

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  • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I liked it because it was a learning app and I have a tendency to fall off. But paying real money to restore my streak? Hell nah

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• Binturong@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Man I love to see that abusive Owl grovel. I also did this, good on you OP, may they see a consequence for threatening something good for the sake of greed. Eventually nothing is enough for the managers and they burn the whole thing down because of their personal addiction. This harms lives. We need to jail CEOs abusing power this way, that’s the actual remedy.

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  • FourWaveforms@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    we should give the owl a robot body and let it fly around the boardroom, doing whatever occurs to it from one moment to the next

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• cathfish@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Has anyone actually learned any language with duo lingo ?

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  • Ilandar@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The quality depends on the individual(s) developing the training content as well. I don’t know if it’s changed, but the Korean course used to be quite bad/lazy and had a lot of Konglish and English loanwords, even for words that had an actual Korean equivalent. I think official courses and textbooks, as well as videos and podcasts, are all much better ways of learning than through these flash card apps. A better use case is retention of existing language skills, I think.

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  • Oriion@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d say it’s good for vocab, and hearing maybe ? Some things really sound unnatural.

    The only course I can speak of is Japanese (no premium) and it’s imho complete ass if it’s your only source of knowledge. Only gimmicky sentences and speech elements

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exclusively with Duolingo? Could be a little too hard depending on the language. I used it to learn French, also had actual classes and some other resources, but used Duolingo for a while as main resource. It’s not optimal as it sucks to learn actually speaking, but it’s fine for reading/writing, and sometimes a little to easy for listening.

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I learned probably 90% of my Spanish through Duolingo. My reading is good enough that I can usually follow along with Spanish news articles and Spanish spoken at a moderate pace. (So almost none of it, haha) I have hearing comprehension problems with English as well though, so that’s not Duolingo’s fault.

    I’m definitely not fluent, but it’s not like I wouldn’t know what to do if someone handed me a form in Spanish, either.

    Overall it’s just the repetition that matters. I don’t think I would know any less Spanish if I’d spent 20-30 minutes every day for the past 2+ years using a different app to learn.

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    • cathfish@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks. That’s quite a good result I think. Did you practice outside the app (I mean at the beginning) ? How long would you say it takes to be able to read a newspaper article without too much difficulty?

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  • tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d be surprised if anyone has. You need to actually use a language to learn it properly. But an app is a good start and supplement.

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• 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One notification like this and your app immediately gets notification permission revoked on my phone (if not uninstalled).

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• mean_bean279@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s a great video from WSJ with their exec team that talks about how those notifications are hugely beneficial both to their users, and to their revenue. Even if you pay for the full thing like I do you still get those notifications. They aren’t “desperate” they’re targeted specifically to get people to come back and keep learning. They also don’t care about showing you ads as much since their majority of money comes from paying users. If anything the ads are to just get you to pay for the app.

  youtu.be/9KqrnBiyBQ8

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• GongFuFlashSteep@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Anyone have a good Duolingo alternative?

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• Swordinferno@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why leave the app installed if you’re done using it?

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• aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Duolingo is a toxic ex.

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