Sticking with 10 for a bit, moving to Linux
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
Submitted 1 year ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Vari@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Adalast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ditto. They are stopping support, but I highly doubt they will just brick all Windows 10 machines. If they do, I will just throw Linux on a flash drive and boot from that to recover my data ahead of switching fully to Linux.
I remember seeing a leaked paper about them putting an omnipresent advertising ticket at the top of the screen that will be displayed regardless of full screen status. The only reason I can think that they are forcing this so hard is that a lot of their forced ad servicing plans are not possible to implement in earlier versions of Windows due to root level functionality that cannot be changed. I’m guessing things like direct injection of ads in running processes or that ticker.
Ads have no place in an OS, especially not as kernel level processes. If ads on the internet have taught us anything, it is that bad actors can inject malicious code directly into them without content servers or hosts knowing and compromise untold numbers of machines who just, let me check, rendered the ad.
Between the aggressive plans for in OS advertising and the privacy abolishing actions and policies with AI datascraping, I am done with MS. Windows 10 will be the last one of theit OS’s I run. If work needs me to do something on Windows, it will be on a virtual machine that I remote into.
Vari@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Plus, I just want to own my fucking computer. I shouldn’t have to go into the registry to get rid of edge.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m blocking addresses at the router daily. I could live with 11 if I could uninstall their garbage. I’ve tried any number of things to keep crapilot 365 off of my domain machines but I’m told I have to have the enterprise edition to do that.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They won’t brick it, but you can bet that a lot of people are sitting on unreleased 0-days for win10. It will likely be dangerous to connect to the internet on day 1.
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No, I use windows 11 and it works great.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
lol
Apeman42@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can anyone recommend a distro (and desktop environment?) that’s going to be almost the same as desktop mode on the Steam deck? I’m getting more comfortable in that than I expected to be in any Linux, and to my surprise and delight I haven’t had to delve into the command line at all yet.
pathief@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The desktop environment is called KDE Plasma. Every distribution with KDE will look and feel very similar.
Fedora is a good and safe bet for a distribution.
offspec@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The steam deck uses KDE Plasma 5 as its desktop environment, so anything that uses that should feel very similar. I recommend bazzite if familiarity is something that would appeal to you.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The most recent update ships Plasma 6 I believe.
Mogofwin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
+1 for Bazzite. It has just enough guard rails to keep you from (easily) making your system unusable while still providing more freedom than windows. Install is cake. Literally clear a drive or partition for your OS and storage, download it, and you’re off to the races. just make sure to always check your build against protondb For games to see if there are any special run commands to put into steam, and you will be golden.
yourNewFavouriteUser@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
linux, either endeavor or nobara
Minnels@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Installed bazzite today. Was easier than installing windows.
commander@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The more people hop onto Linux the faster and better funded support for Linux development becomes. If you’re a single player gamer or play Valve multiplayer games primarily, make the jump to Linux. Get on Mint, get on Fedora, Ubuntu, etc and get off Microsoft’s shitboat. You already took off from Reddit. Wean off all these other money/data leeches
trouble@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Can Linux run Valorant?
Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
No Kernel level anti cheat will ever work on linux. But probably Windows will disable the possibillity to manipulate on kernel level either in the future.
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m on Mint and have been for 2-3 years now and I’ve never had any problems with non-valve multiplayer. I don’t use any VMs and just run everything through proton and have never struggled.
Battlebit, Helldivers, Lethal Company (+mods), Risk of Rain 2, Rocket League, Minecraft, and Split Fiction to name a few. I guarantee there are others I’ve played, but I can’t remember.
B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have an older pc that I use as a a Plex server so as soon as I get some time I will fully switch to Ubuntu.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux is the way
mooncake@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I upgraded to Windows 11.
I tried Linux but but so much stuff isn’t supported so I got rid of it.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
What other then adobe and rootkit anti cheat’s don’t work
crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
For gaming, It’s mostly niche windows things in my experience. In my case I opted to stay on linux anyway. Also worth noting, I find that outside of gaming linux is superior for work and general pc use.
Some manufacturer programs for doing things like mouse macros or controlling LED lighting, auto hotkey scripts, some types of overlays tied to directx apis (yolomouse), etc. These things don’t and probably will never work. I think some of them might if you really know your stuff with wine, but that usually ends up being dependency hell for me and I give up more often than succeeding when trying to force a windows native program to run.
Kalon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Been using Linux since 2005. Really don’t understand why so many people put up with Microsoft planned obsolescence, spyware, ads, etc. Linux is easier now than it’s ever been. Most things work out of the box if you pick a reasonable distro. If you’re going to be pushed to learn a new paradigm, do it once more by learning Linux and stop being pushed.
karashta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Jumping to Linux just picking a distro
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Went to Linux a couple months ago, its freaking awesome, you’ll never look back. And it is way easier to use than people make it out to be. Also my PC has never been faster thanks to having zero bloat.
YoiksAndAway@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I think I’m going to get the $30 1-year ESU and kick that can down the road. I need to run windows-only software and I can’t upgrade because of my processor. Maybe in a year’s time I’ll be ready for a new build.
InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I might get downvoted or whatever but Windows 11 is fine. I get it if your PC straight up can’t run it, that’s a tough spot. But as an OS it’s fine, even has a few handy features (besides all the AI crap shoehorned in). I actually like the File Explorer changes and the window snap stuff can work in the right setting.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The reason I switched from Windows is the telemetry. Yes, you can disable it but I don’t know for sure it’s actually off. I’m sure it has other back doors too. It sucks because they had something great with Windows 7 and they ruined it. Also, forcing an online account really pissed me off. I couldn’t even install WSL without using the Microsoft Store. Funny enough, the complaint I remember most about Windows 11 didn’t bother me at all. The start menu being in the center I kinda liked. I remember using an app on Windows 10 to achieve the same thing.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No it isnt, the bloat is actually insane.
InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can I ask how you got Win11? And are we talking MS feature bloat or third party stuff? I had Micro Center build my PC so it didn’t come from a manufacturer. There doesn’t seem to be any third party bloat, besides the occasional fucking ad for an app in the Start menu.
Nighed@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Build new computer. Old computer to be a home server running Linux or something fancy.
bzah@discuss.tchncs.de [bot] 1 year ago
I will dualboot to keep a windows 10 for software that only runs on it, but I really hope I will be able to be gaming on linux only.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Make the jump to Linux and loose 90% of the games you play as well. If all you play is steam games and don’t care about many that can’t be played then sure. I get the appeal. But windows 11 is the same thing as 10.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Pretty much, 1% of games don’t work on Linux and its the top 1% most popular games
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My problem is 100% of the DAWs I use don’t work on Linux
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
90%?
Do you only play games with kernel level anti-cheat? Because those are literally the only games i haven’t been able to play, and fortunately for me I don’t want to play those games.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I play many kinds of games. Using a Windows emulator in Linux doesn’t count as “running on Linux”
KiESi@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I gave Linux Mint a try last week when I received the news about the obligatory MS account for W11. Not that I’ll “upgrade” to W11 but anyway.
Very smooth installation experience. The OS and software like Steam, Brave, Nvidia drivers and some audio & video stuff installed through the package control in no time. I could actually work with it.
Half of my game library is made only for W though. Or the small blocker things like GTA V that works well in Mint in story mode, the Battleye thing won’t start of course, so expect no GTA Online in Mint either.
I think I’ll keep Linux Mint and Windows under dual boot and use Windows only when necessary. Or run W10 in a virtual box in Mint 😎.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website 1 year ago
I was able to run SimTower on Linux. I haven’t tried SimCoopter, but there are so many bugs in that game it likely won’t work lol
nfreak@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Dual boot is the way for right now. Proton is huge, but there are still a good number of games with compatibility issues or rootkit anticheats. Personally I advise steering clear of the latter, but that’s neither here nor there.
I use CachyOS as my daily driver and booted up the Windows partition maybe 3 times since setting this up back in February (and most of those times were just to play REPO because Elgato hardware with dual input and output has serious issues with Linux, but I’ve sorted that out now with a workaround)
clubb@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thing is, before battleye, gta online worked perfectly. I played it for years on every remotely popular linux distro, from debian, to ubuntu, linux mint, fedora etc. It’s just the fucking anticheat.
b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 year ago
I’m running Linux everywhere incuding the machine I am writing on right now. I have one single dual boot machine with Windows 10 as the mainly used OS for the simple reason that I need to run one specific software (and some of the “ecosystem” around it) that is not available for Linux. The only alternative is Apple which is even worse in my opinion. So I think I’ll be forced to update. All the rest of my daily computing stuff has been moved to Linux for a long time.
specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Just moved my Win10 machine to Pop OS. No issues at all. Haven’t tried Steam VR on it yet.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
As long as your not streaming to a quest vr is great cause at least last time I tried it didn’t work that was a year or 2 back now though
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Me too a couple months ago, Pop OS has been awesome for me
73CC@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Linux
Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I’ve been on Windows 11 since it was released. The only problem I had were NVIDIA drivers sometimes causing a bluescreen (mainly my fault).
Linux doesn’t work for me currently, since I use RDP to connect to systems for work, and RDP clients on Linux are ass.
AceSLS@ani.social 1 year ago
RDP clients on Linux are ass.
Remmina is better than windows native remote desktep shit imo
Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Used it, it was probably the best, but still bad. If not for work, it would have been good enough though.
Most of the RDP implementations are also just based on FreeRDP, so they’re basically the same. I had terrible picture quality on all of them, even over local network, and the USB passthrough barely worked.
Tbh since I need the system for work, I wasn’t able to test stuff super long. Maybe I should install Linux on a secondary system, so I can just play around and try stuff.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Made the jump already since I built a new computer and there were lots of missing windows 10 drivers for the new hardware and there was no way in hell I was going to main on windows 11.
ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It’s not like Windows 10 will magically stop booting or something…
gitamar@feddit.org 1 year ago
I would not be surprised if some vulnerability is kept until Microsoft does not provide any patches as it is worth more then.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Running an EoL operating system is surely what you want to do with your personal dat-
Aaaaaaand it’s been compromised
crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
It’s windows users were talking about here, data security is not exactly top of mind. But maybe many of them are about to find out it should be…
ericatty@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I’m pretty sure all personal data leaks to me and my friends and family have nothing to do with personal EOL OS on personal PCs/laptops.
My Dad, ran Windows 7 (yes, 7) until he passed last year, almost 80. We had his credit locked down, we had antivirus running, we kept the browsers up to date, and he was very good about not clicking weird links or calling fake support numbers.
His biggest data breach (and ours too)? Was from myChart a couple years ago, he got a letter that his data was part of the big hack, yada yada yada free credit reporting - so sorry. If you don’t know, myChart is like The Main medical everything portal in the US at least for most doctors and hospital systems. So all your test results, making appointments, sending messages, requesting Rx refills, all through myChart’s website. The hospitals and doctors using MyChart can see pretty much everything in your myChart health record (some exceptions)
So using super secure OS on your personal computer means nothing when you are part of a hundreds of millions data dump from someone hacking into that. Not having an account just means you don’t have access to your own records, they are still part of the system.
But Yes, I was in the process of getting Dad an upgrade to a flavor of Linux that would be the closest to what he was used to. And the only reason was because browser support was coming to EOL for Windows 7. He really didn’t want to change or lose his solitaire games and he deserved a stress-free life to play his damn games like he wanted.
THAT SAID - if businesses are using EOL OS and getting hacked - they definitely need to do whatever they need to do and protect their customer data. But EOL OS for an average person checking email, making doctor’s appointments, checking headlines, and playing solitaire while streaming music certainly doesn’t call for a need to panic.
IF you are a power user doing sometimes sketch things (according to Apple/MS anyway) probably switch to Linux sooner than later.
We have computers running Linux, Windows 10 (one of which was on 8.1 until a year ago), and Windows 11 in our house. The one on 11 is being tested basically, and will probably be reinstalled with Linux. But we are trying to give it a shot.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 year ago
Isn’t that exactly what’s happening as soon as you install win11?
paultimate14@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Right?
I never understand why people are so obsessed with not getting updates. They usually just break everything and bloat the OS.
“But my security!” OS updates are going to protect you from 99% of the bad actors out there. They do nothing against social engineering. They don’t make you use strong passwords. Most of the security flaws OS updates are addressing are the kinda of attacks that only state actors or organized crime rings have the resources and abilities to exploit.
Governments? Heck yeah they need to be concerned. Large enterprises? Definitely. Small businesses? Eh it’s probably for the best to protect your livelihood even if you aren’t the juiciest target. But for an individual using their PC for gaming, social media, streaming content, online shopping, etc… The cost-benefit analysis is different.
It’s not different from physical security. Theres a reason you don’t need to go through TSA to get on a bus.
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
For now yes but when a zero day is found 1 guy could literally take down every single 10 install and Microsoft won’t be bothered to fix it
Frozengyro@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While I agree, I have seen TSA working at the bus station.
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I’m sticking with Linux due to the bullshit that Microsoft is constantly pulling. Currently, my PC is running Fedora 41, and I love it quite a bit; currently I can’t imagine a future where I return to Windows 11. Proton Compatibility Layer makes gaming on any distro fairly easy!
MrNesser@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Installed kubuntu on the laptop so I can get used to it. Still trying to find a AV and firewall app I like
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ClamAV, if you want more than just common sense. Firewall is built-in to kubu.
baropithecus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My home (gaming) pc is going back to linux for sure., on the very day they drop support for 10.
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 1 year ago
I wonder if Steam OS will be ready for desktops before this
Cris16228@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Bazzite? Bazzite Steam OS?
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 1 year ago
I meant something owned/maintained by Valve, it’s a name people can trust and would catch a lot of angry Win10 users switching
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If they are ready by then, it would be perfect timing to grab a TON of users.
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
IIRC W11 share is barely near W10 and they are already forcing it out and crapton of perfectly usable hardware, if it is not planned obsolescence i don’t know what it is? Fuck microsoft!
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I want to point out, planned obsolescence only really applies to their surface offerings.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Why? I’ve been running a Surface Go 1 with Fedora since 2020 and I plan on keeping it until 2029 at least.
So I can’t ser the planned obsolescence except if you meant the ability to upgrade its internals…