I left Windows ~2-3 years ago since I got tired of having to keep up with ways to disable the MS account requirements or disable the ads every time there is a major version upgrade on a platform I use every day.
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m on 12, and will be upgrading to 13 when Trixie hits stable.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Been using Linux for years and the only issue with it is the incompetence of big studios. And them going out of their way to make sure stuff doesn’t work on Linux.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Why need upgrade at all? I’ve never needed “support” before
Atmoro@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Think of it this way:
Would you rather leave door wide open and signs saying come inside and take all the info about me, along with all my moment
Or
Have your data, & money protected in all kinds of defense systems so it makes billions times harder to take all of that
That’s what security updates are for. Same for other apps as well when they find things bad actors will try to exploit
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
In fairness, after October that security system will still be in place. The difference is that as soon as attackers finds a bypass, the security system will be worthless against future threats
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
The “support” most importantly includes security updates. You better bet every hacking group has been working at finding fresh zero days for Windows 10 and is stockpiling them to start hammering any PCs that can’t be upgraded this October
REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Maybe I’m remembering it wrong, but didn’t MS push important security updates to Win7 even after end of support?
zewm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I hope this is a sarcastic joke.
If it’s not, support means updates. More importantly security updates.
There is a reason you don’t put a windows XP machine on the internet.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
XP might actually be somewhat safe to connect by now. Most of the viruses and worms have updated past it by now.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t know. If more devs start to support Linux, I probably will.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 year ago
Linux. I’ve been putting if off because of hardware reasons that would be annoying to explain beyond the solution is upgrading the motherboard, which is bottlenecking me anyways.
iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Why? Nothing requires Windows 11. It doesn’t even have a new directx which is why most had to upgrade from 7. Browsers and malware software will work for years. Hell malwarbytes still updates for Window 7.
zewm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You really don’t understand security updates.
iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I do and if the computer is for work yes update to 11. But for gaming only why would anyone care if it doesn’t break your games? I do nothing but game on a PC and have no need to update until it is required for gaming. Also it is not like on that date all security updates to that point vanish. Firefox and Chrome will still update for security. Malwarebytes will still also update for security.
Infynis@midwest.social 1 year ago
I have procrastinated the switch this far, I’ll be damned if my laziness gives in now! Lol
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I still use steam on Windows 7. I don’t see the problem.
Shannaresh@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just please make sure it’s not internet connected if you value such things as your privacy, and bank accounts not being breached extremely easily. End of security support is no joke.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t really use the browser on that machine. It still has basic virus protection, and such.
End of security support is no joke.
Well that all depends on if you’re laughing.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you worry about connecting it to the internet?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nope
MeowKittyWow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’m gonna switch to Linux. My laptop still works fine, no need to upgrade yet.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I’ve gotten to a point where the quality of a PS2 game is higher to me than most AAA releases. I mostly play retro games, more open multiplayer games that don’t block users like TF2, and indies… so, no. I don’t really need Windows for anything.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jumping to Linux for sure. The hardest part is going to be finding time to learn it first…
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I do infinite free troubleshooting/support on matrix, and I have 15 years of experience, feel free to reach out!
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Start with something simple like Linux Mint. You can run it in a VM, if you want to “try before you buy”.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
who@feddit.org 1 year ago
Have you considered making a Linux virtual machine now, and learning small things a few minutes at a time between other tasks? That ought to give you a head start when it comes time to commit.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 year ago
I like to suffer
Zidane@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The only real reason I’m still on Win 10 is because of Escape from Tarkov and Photoshop. I need to get a new m.2 and just start sorting through my crap I guess but I haven’t gotten the motivation yet lol
Ttangko@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’d consider switching if somebody spoonfed me into being able to use/know it’s basics.
I am currently way too overstimulated with switching to privacy-focused and less (US-)corpo-reigned alternatives (like lemmy instead of reddit)
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I have 15 years of experience and am willing to do infinite of that on matrix.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’ll second recommending Raspberry Pi as a secondary machine. That way your primary computer is still around as a fallback.
If you have a spare monitor to add, a Raspberry Pi 400 for $100.00 is a great way to try out Linux on dedicated hardware.
The Canakit version even comes with a printed welcome guide.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I installed Linux on a raspberry pi recently (first time using Linux in 15+ years), and in addition to reading stuff on Lemmy, this is a good use case for chatgpt or similar LLMs.
I was able to get it to explain stuff to me, ask it to dumb it down further, etc.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
LLMs have been trained so heavily on Linux documentation that you can even have it hallucinate a Linux terminal at you!
Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I don’t know. I might build a new PC, and make this one a steambox. SteamOS does sound VERY exciting, and I haven’t ever been excited for an OS.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
SteamOS getting an official PC release is going to cause the first time I’ve spent a lot on PC hardware in a long while.
I’ll build it from parts of I must, but I really hope they go for a tie-in deal with Alienware or System76 and just let me buy a big pre-installed tower to play on.
GluWu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just waiting for daddy gabon to release steamos. If not I swear I’m going to just use the most windowsxp distro available. I thought I was being simple by going with mint and KDE. Dare me.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You installed KDE on Mint? Why not just install Debian with KDE?
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Neither.
Uli@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I don’t like the rootkit. I do everything I possibly can on Linux aside from the one game that requires it. That said, since they started using the rootkit, there has been a steep drop-off in bots in the game. As in I don’t see any anymore. So, annoying and a huge security risk? Absolutely. Dubious? Maybe? Depends on what you mean.
filister@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I am on Linux and won’t change to W11 for sure.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I too choose your path of not being tempted away from Linux by the lure of an ad-riddled Microsoft-account-locked expensive “upgrade” to Windows 11.
randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I keep recommending BazziteOS but Jorge Castro over at the universal Blue project has a really good point “Most people don’t install their operating systems” and that plain fact is what stops people from moving to Linux.
Valve has momentum because they are selling you a system with the OS already on it. Sell more gaming PCs with pre installed Linux on it and the support will follow. Valve’s first attempt at getting Linux based gaming hardware out there failed but that didn’t stop them and the real push is coming this time.
If you do install your OS (most people here have once or twice), try Bazzite out. I’m running it on the minisforum Bd790i with a radeon 7800xt and it works great!
Killer57@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Been on it for years
rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m a Linux user who had Windows 11 on one computer for VR but once I saw Microsoft’s CEO at Trump’s inauguration I removed that last install, deleted my Meta accounts, and put my Quest 3 in a box.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you want to run VR on Linux with your Quest headset, WiVRn works absolutely flawlessly. Been running VR with my Quest 2 for a while with it.
Not sure if jailbreaks exist for the Quest 3, but I’ve considered jailbreaking my Quest 2 in order to run it without a Meta account.
rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Thanks for this. All efforts are dead in the water until I can use it without Meta. Until then it stays in the box. Appreciate the info thought though, cheers.
crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Switch to Linux. As a big-time gamer, I did it last year and it’s been fantastic. Only issue is if you main games with root kit anticheat…but with enough momentum in Linux direction, game studios will be forced to abandon those dubious detection methods anyway.
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The way I see the root kit anticheat situation is that because Valve has their own Linux based OS, these companies making anticheat are probably going to end up tailoring it to whatever kernel Valve (or whatever the biggest/most widely used distro made by a large game corporation) uses to ensure people aren’t cheating.
With a kernel that can be swapped out for another with varying degrees of difficulty, why wouldn’t they just tailor their work to whatever the biggest corporate game company supporter of Linux is using? If SteamOS (or any other distro made by maybe someone like EA, heaven forbid) ends up becoming what these anticheat devs see as the defacto Linux distro for gaming, I guarantee they’ll probably just focus all their efforts on making sure SteamOS (or whatever it ends up being) works as best they can and hanging out everyone else to dry.
A real “Wanna run the latest CoD (or something similar) on your device? Make sure you use the kernel we say you have to use!” kinda situation is what I foresee happening.
There’s also an OpenBSD song with a few lines of lyrics that I think could sum up what could (and sadly most likely will) happen, in metaphorical Odyssey kind of way:
Corporate monsters, many closing passages\ Tempting harpies\ 13 years of treachery
Though it’s definitely going to be more than 13 years.
zewm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Another big component that makes it hard to switch for some is also the fact that many programs and web apps won’t work on Linux.
As an example , if you use peacock on your browser to watch things like wrestling PLEs, peacock(and other services) straight up block Linux users.
It’s annoying when the product will work but it’s being gatekept by these greedy fucking companies.
the_q@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This is likely easily remedied with an extension to tell Peacock you’re on a supported system. Artificial incompatibility.
powdermilkman@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Are they somehow able to detect the OS by something other than the user agent headers or have you tried changing your user agent?
TylerBourbon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sadly I use way too many programs that only work on windows or Mac that Linux would handicap me. The free open source versions of yhe apps I use are no where near as capable.
My only option I can think of would be running a virtual machine of Win10 on a Linux install so I can still use those apps.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Unfortunately, any app that needs a GPU would be difficult to work with in a VM. You have to manually set up GPU-passthru, which requires figuring out the PCI addresses and whatnot of your card, along with using a terminal. As I understand it, this process also prevents you from using that GPU outside of the VM, which is cruddy.
I was hoping to have a Linux Mint + Windows 11 VM back in January, but that didn’t work out. I am hoping that the upcoming SteamOS Desktop would make Linux friendly enough for games that aren’t native to Steam, such as my GOG collection, Window 3.1 stuff like Stars!, and assorted Japanese locale games.
Bruhman482@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Would you mind sharing a couple of the names of the programs that only work on Windows for you? I’m a bit curious.
XM34@feddit.org 1 year ago
Maybe check out Bottles [1]. It’s similar to Proton/Wine, but for regular Software and it runs pretty damn well.
applemao@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve been hard at trying to get games i like to work in mint. It takes a lit of time but it’s going ok. Like you said though kind of sucks for multi-player. I can’t even get diabolical multi-player to work (after I looked up how to fix the instant crashing audio driver issue) . It’s also a lot of qork getting any racing game to work with my DFGT…even though linux does see the axis and buttons, the force feedback is all messed up. Wish I knew how to code so I could fix these issues! But I don’t have 12 hours a day to ever learn that
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Use Bazzite. It is a distro dedicated to gaming and user friendly for beginners. It still has some limitations but it is better compared to others when it comes to gaming. You don’t really require more tweaking unlike other distros to make games work.
Killer57@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Caesium@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll stick with 10 until steam itself stops supporting it I think
The only thing stopping me from really considering Linux is because I’m a Destiny player
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I spent a couple hours trying to get Baldur’s Gate 3 running on Linux. It was rough but I got it to run at 1440 but the latency made it sort of unplayable. It runs great in Windows 10 at 4k with the default settings. I have some other windows-only software so I guess I’m going to “upgrade” all my computers that are able to do so but I don’t feel good about it. All my computers dual boot windows/linux, I would love to be linux-only.
the_q@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Nvidia?
hangonasecond@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s really unusual. I’ve found, if anything, most of my games run better since switching to Linux. Nothing runs so much worse and I have rarely needed to apply launch options. I wonder if your games aren’t running on your iGPU inadvertently? That’s the only thing that comes to mind that would cause that much of an issue.
filister@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What Linux distro and version do you run? Do you have proton installed and all the drivers? It should run flawlessly.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ubuntu 24.04, as far as I know I have all the right Proton stuff installed and the latest Nvidia drivers.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Have you tried running it with GE-Proton?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wut? BG3 runs flawlessly out of the box for me. Pretty vanilla Mint install, Nvidia 4060.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Huh. I’m on Ubuntu 24.04 with a 2080 Ti 🤔
TheGenuineGT@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In case you’re not aware, and for any uninitiated that see this comment www.protondb.com/app/1086940 protondb is a fantastic database of Linux compatible games and crowd sourced suggestions on getting the best performance.
Baldurs Gate 3 ran flawless for me, but everyone’s mileage may very depending on computer specs and Linux distro. Proton, and its counter part Proton-GE, work wonderfully the majority of the time. Biggest issue I run into anymore is anti cheat. Which can also be verified by areweanticheatyet.com
For reference, I’m running all AMD with hardware thats a few years old now. Fedora 41 with some tweaks like feralinteractives’ gamemode installed. You can install and use ProtonUp-QT to manage the Proton-GE versions and keep them up to date. I’ve been primarily Linux at home for a couple of years and have not missed windows. I hope more people are encouraged to try Linux and see what it has to offer
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I know of that site, but in many ways I can’t stomach following trial-and-error debugging steps to try to get a perfect experience. Very rarely has it been one command line option and then the game runs as perfectly as Windows.
turnip@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Ah good to know, i was thinking of buying this game.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Take advantage of your store’s refund policy as needed, but I can count the games I’ve had compatibility problems with on one hand, and one of them is because Indiana Jones is pushing ray tracing as mandatory.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I have personally been using Linux for a few years now and I absolutely love it, however a lot of people will switch to Linux and be extremely disappointed. If you’re going into Linux expecting an open source Windows clone you’ll be solely mistaken. If you want an operating system that looks and works exactly like W11 youll be better off installing W11 and using something like classic shell. However if you’re willing to accept that its a completely different OS (so it naturally will work differently and have different software) then go ahead.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Upgrade? How is 11 an upgrade?
namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 1 year ago
When is the last time anything Microsoft made was an upgrade…
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I use Opensuse MicroOS on half a dozen PCs but I keep one on Windows until I can run Fortnite on Linux.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Bought a new PC and switched from dual boot Win10/Linux to Linux only. All of the games I’m playing work well, so no need for Windows 11
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It has been already 2 years for me, I have no intention of looking back. It even works better than Windows at times.
PillBugTheGreat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Whatd you jump to?
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Took some time to settle, for various reasons, but I’m currently on Fedora Silverblue.
I tried some of its derivatives (Aurora, Bazzite), as well as OpenSuse, but came back to Fedora and Gnome because of various issue with KDE and OpenSuse asking for root password everywhere.