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France runs fusion reactor for record 22 minutes

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨misk@sopuli.xyz⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://newatlas.com/energy/france-tokamak-cea-west-fusion-reactor-record-plasma-duration/

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1,337 seconds

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    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Le et

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    • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Image

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    • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Flexing

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      • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Flexing is not good for the containment

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    • Cheems@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Rumor is next they are trying for 11.6858˙3 hours

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      • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Elven time conversion is the worst.

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    • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      5,318008 seconds should be a new goal.

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  • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A headline without calling it an “Artificial Sun”?!

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    • Toribor@corndog.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The power of the sun in the palm of my hand.

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      • MalMen@masto.pt ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        @Toribor @notsoshaihulud with great power comes great responsibility

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      • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t worry, it will stabilize

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    • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The amusing thing is that the sun is actually quite a shit fusion reactor. It’s power per unit volume is tiny. It just makes it up in sheer volume. A solar level fusion reactor would be almost completely useless to us. Instead we need to go far beyond the sun’s output to just be viable.

      It’s like describing one of the mega mining dumper trucks as an “artificial mule”.

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      • notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think this energy density math really depends on whether only the core or the whole surface area is taken into consideration.

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      • lurklurk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Arguably, the nearby sun scale fusion reactor has been fairly useful for us. Nowadays we can convert its output directly into electricity using solar cells

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Someone once told me a sun is just a fusion nuclear pile reactor and… Like… I guess.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sure, but it makes up for that by having an idiot proof design.

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    • yogurt@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They say “artificial sun” because that’s what it is though, there’s no fusion reactions they’re just microwaving hydrogen to millions of degrees to study the kind of thing that would happen IF somebody runs a fusion reactor for 22 minutes.

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    • scratchee@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or a “star in a bottle”

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      • SpicyLizards@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A bulb in a bong

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  • Placebonickname@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meanwhile in America we’re trying to make macdonalds cheaper by bundling an extra sandwich to go along with a value meal…

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    • crank0271@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s called McFusion

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      • Brickhead92@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And it only takes 22 seconds to consume.

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    • Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      America would blow up a fusion reacto, call it dangerous, elon musk has a lot of things to say about it and then it would be illegal worldwide. Have you guys heard about coal? We already fixed it, just burn coal.

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    • JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When the fuck did maccas start doing a sandwich?

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      • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Day one? A hamburger is a sandwich.

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  • akakevbot@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Power of the Sun - Spider Man 2

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    • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The power of the sun in the palm of my hand

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      • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        la puissance du soleil dans la paume de ma main

        Honhonhon

        [Takes a drag on a sexy cigarette]

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The only reason to pursue fusion power research is so you can say this on a weekly basis. Any benefits to humanity are purely secondary.

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      • exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How big are your hands???

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  • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why don’t we use “shatters world record” like the pro-China articles where they did this for 16 minutes?

    I know why.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I know!

      Because the articles were written by different people and published in different magazines ya goober.

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      • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nah.

        It’s because of the Chinese propaganda machine.

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    • FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because that one was over double the length of the record before it and this one is closer to a 35% increase.

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      • Rubanski@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So it’s probably just a “slams”

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    • lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is it because if the Uyghurs?

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    • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why do you care so much what an article says about France’s accomplishments of science and China’s accomplishments of science? Why can’t we enjoy the movement of technology without bickering about lines drawn in the sand by people none of us know or care about?

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    • jose1324@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dumbass lol

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    • Abnorc@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’ll never tell.

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  • LostWon@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe if it runs longer, we all get to jump to a better timeline. 😅

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    • PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or the world blows up and it’s all over. I guess what I’m saying is, no downside, fire it up and let’s see what happens.

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    • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m sceptical. Even if somebody would present a working fusion reactor today, what would the timeline to replace everything based on fossil fuels even be? Build several thousand of expensive fusion reactors in every country of the world, even in geopolitical rivals like China, Russia or North Korea or war-torn third world countries? Replace every car with an electrical one? Replace home heating everywhere? Rebuild every ship and airplane worldwide?

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      • JayObey711@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean yea that’s the plan. What are the other options? Force every countrie to stop producing instead to reduce carbon emissions that way? Wich one Sounds more realistic? And I feel like you assume that fusion reactors are dangerous because your comments about war torn countries. But it’s not possible to turn them into weapons. They run on hydrogen. And if they ever oberheat or something the magnets stop working and the reaction stops.

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      • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Progress is progress, and it’s good to be skeptical (I literally just posted a comment saying “I’m skeptical”!), but progress is good. 🙂 What other alternatives are there?

        If it doesn’t make dollars, it doesn’t make sense. That’s why the electric car movement is having a hard time really taking off rn; it is hard to justify & all the tech, all our builds, aren’t exactly super economical yet. And they’re not built for tough conditions, heavy towing, long commutes, and easily workable & recyclable components.

        …but things are, indeed, getting better. If you look at it from a macro view. Lithium recycling can be done even a decade ago, but IIRC it was relatively small scale & the lithium could be refreshed “most of the way”, not fully. The right things will catch on when their time is right & its viability is realized.

        Man’s greatest strength is our shared knowledge, technology, science, and innovation. I encourage you to make good decisions in your personal life and be positive. 🙂

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      • LostWon@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I was just making an abstract sci-fi joke based on how cold fusion has been presented like a Holy Grail in the past. Obviously a better source of energy isn’t going to solve all our problems, no matter how good it is.

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    • Sceptique@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No tech will give you a better timeline, back on the floor please ^^ It’s a political problem before anything else, and energy production is far from being the first problem.

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      • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Scientists: invents commercial scale fusion Capitalist: hordes the almost free energy because why not? Poor people are only useful as a resource anyway.

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  • match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1,337 seconds? That… that number used to mean something, but now i can’t recall what…

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    • not_so_handsome_jack@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The translation has been lost to the ages

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      • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        megatokyo.com/strip/9

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      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Found someone who can help you.

        youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ

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    • rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I still use 1337 sometimes, for joke names like H4xX0r1337 and it’s always that nobody gets it. How could past internet culture vanish like that?

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      • canajac@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        All your base are belong to us

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    • robador51@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      1337, leet, elite

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      • Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Shh, don’t let the kids hear you say that

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  • tomkatt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is freaking awesome. Only a few years ago it was exciting to see a fusion reaction last a fraction of a second.

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    • Thief@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is awesome. Whichever country develops it first will be remembered as the next ‘moon landing’ event forever.

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      • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So a big event without any practical relevance because there is more cheaper, reliable and safer alternatives available?

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  • HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh shit. Things are heating up in the fusion race.

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    • misk@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      IIRC it was expected because previous record from China was essentially a trial for this one. It all happens under ITER project so it’s not that much of a race.

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      • ZJBlank@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good shit. I’d rather this be a global cooperative effort rather than a jingoistic dick-waving contest.

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    • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good. The only thing that was quite good about the cold war was the competition.

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      • ByteJunk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s not what this is, and even then, that competition wasn’t even good. You had two countries hoarding technological advancements for themselves, with everything having to be discovered twice.

        This is a worldwide collaboration, where each assists the others, and it’s a much better way of making progress. See ITER.

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  • DataDisrupter@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I didn’t see any mention of the output in the article. 22MW injected, but does anyone know if the reaction was actually generating a positive output?

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    • sushibowl@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No magnetic confinement fusion reactor in existence has ever generated a positive output. The current record belongs to JET, with a Q factor of 0.67. This record was set in 1997.

      The biggest reason we haven’t had a record break for a long time is money. The most favourable reaction for fusion is generally a D-T (Deuterium-Tritium) reaction. However, Tritium is incredibly expensive. So, most reactors run the much cheaper D-D reaction, which generates lower output. This is okay because current research reactors are mostly doing research on specific components of an eventual commercial reactor, and are not aiming for highest possible power output.

      The main purpose of WEST is to do research on diverter components for ITER. ITER itself is expected to reach Q ≥ 10, but won’t have any energy harvesting components. The goal is to add that to its successor, DEMO.

      Inertial confinement fusion (using lasers) has produced higher records, but they generally exclude the energy used to produce the laser from the calculation. NIF has generated 3.15MJ of fusion output by delivering 2.05MJ of energy to it with a laser, nominally a Q = 1.54. however, creating the laser that delivered the power took about 300MJ.

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      • DataDisrupter@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I wasn’t aware of that distinction about the energy for the laser to generate the heat energy within the reaction not being factored into the Q value, very interesting, thank you! Would that energy for the laser still be required in a “stable reaction” continuously, or would it be something that would “trail off”?

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      • Lycist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        theguardian.com/…/us-scientists-achieve-net-energ…

        I’ve seen a few mentions of positive output.

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      • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The input energy doesnt matter that much. Nobody is going to use 1980s laser tech to power a real reactor. As with OP, inertial confinement is interested in very small nuanced science aspects, not making a power plant.

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    • simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sounds like the goal of the test wasn’t to vet ignition power in relation to output. These people are testing the durability of system designs that can maintain a reaction after ignition.

      If this was a car, they wouldn’t be testing the fuel efficiency, they’d be testing how long they could drive before the wheels fell off.

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Mr. Fusion now 1 step closer… 10 years late, but still!

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I hope it smoked a cigarette once it finished.

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  • CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, I’m still skeptical, but I have far more trust in France’s reporting than Chinese claims.

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  • Fleur_@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just one more giga Jule guys …

    Pro fusion research btw just a chronic shitposter

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  • Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How ks the drill baby drill crowd going to compete against mini stars in a can?

    Lmao. Fucking oil losers

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  • caboose2006@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    30 years guys.

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  • meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    France’s 22-minute plasma reaction is a bold stride toward sustainable fusion energy but remains experimental.

    🐱🐱🐱🐱

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  • Sunshine@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Amazing news!

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  • antor124@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is an incredible milestone for fusion power! 22 minutes of plasma reaction is a huge step forward. Looking forward to seeing how this technology evolves. Check out more details here: <a href=“markdown-viewer.com”>markdown viewer</a>.

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  • ian@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They should get out more.

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  • Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doesn’t sound that impressive when Wendelstein 7-X achieved 17 minutes of plasma in 2021.

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  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Garantee you they weren’t generating a whole lot of power though… And if you can’t do that part then what’s the point?

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is so cool. I remember seeing that Europe is working on a massive mega project to build an even bigger reactor for more experiements. Its costing like 75 trillion

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  • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is cool but also remember the practicalities of Fusion make it not much better than nuclear:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmHBMaS6Sw

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  • vastlyimproved69@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    merde

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