Revenge. 🤷♂️
Does anyone actually know what MAGA all agree they are getting out of all this?
Submitted 1 year ago by Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
billwashere@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve wondered this exact question. How does any of this evil fascist shit benefit the average Trump voter.
Trade tariffs just make things like durable goods more expensive.
Deporting migrant workers is going to make food more expensive.
Killing all references to Trans people doesn’t do anything but hurt the Trans folks.
Killing all references to climate change is just going to eventually destroy the whole planet (well just our existence on it… the planet will be fine eventually).
Killing the Dept of Education is just going to make us all dumber.
DOGE is just a meme dept whose soul purpose seems to be to let Elon enact his revenge.
RFK2 gets in charge of all the countries medicine and vaccines and bans it all just in time for Pandemic 2, Electric Boogaloo.
So basically things get a lot more expensive, the rich get richer, lots of people die, and the world becomes a generally more shitty place. Yay!!! Let’s Go Brandon!!
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not like these people are open to reasoned debate. The only answer is there is something broken inside and fuck if I know what.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They say it all the time. You just have to hear, and more important, listen to them
About 70% of reps think the government deficit is too high. About 45% of Dems think the same. Both have been, interestingly, increasing yearly.
Widespread, 60% of voting age adults in USA think the government spends too much “on shit nobody cares about”. My quote.
Because people want the spending on medical care, education, science, social security, helping the needed and so on. Polling shows it.
But this has to come at a cost.
Dems want a bigger state apparatus behind all this.
Reps want an efficient, smaller one behind this.
Interesting as well , a lot of people, like 40%, want more spend in security forces.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
if you’re going to make that point you need to mention the pattern of unfounded tax cuts over the last couple decades.
Yes the deficit is way too high, but also yes funding is too low on important things like safety nets, human services, infrastructure, long term societal advance. Most importantly, yes the unfunded tax cuts focusing on the wealthy and corporation of the last few decades is the real issue
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
… no one believes trump will deliver a smaller government. If they do they haven’t been paying attention.
This use to just be a libertarian thing, too. So, you can say they are united in this cause but could I really ask any MAGA person and this is what they will tell me?
CriticalThought@lemmy.world 1 year ago
OP is asking an interesting and important question. While I don’t claim it as definitive, there was an insightful article written in 2016 that attempted to address the question head on: How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Already some of you have gotten angry, feeling this gut-level revulsion at any attempt to excuse or even understand these people. After all, they’re hardly people, right? Aren’t they just a mass of ignorant, rageful, crude, cursing, spitting subhumans?
It feels good to dismiss people, to mock them, to write them off as deplorables. But you might as well take time to try to understand them, because I’m telling you, they’ll still be around long after Trump is gone.
This is basically Lemmy’s whole MO LMAO 🤣
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If it were actually country vs city why donald trump?
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bro did you even read the article
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Why, the same thing everyone gets from voting: stopping the other side.
___@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m going to go on a less extreme take. They’ve been told from childhood they live in the land of opportunity, yet they work in dead end jobs or working fields.
They see money flying away every paycheck they live week to week on while being pumped propaganda (that people in suburbs and urban areas don’t see) that shows people who look different from them getting gov’t housing and getting programs funded with their tax dollars.
The same party they now demonize supports ridiculous looking gay parades that show a mentality they don’t understand, so they begin to hate. They wake up morning after morning in the same place with no change, and they stew and stew and stew.
So now they basically give up and see a hyper-masculine wannabe saying all the things against those who are different, and the long encrusted anger starts spewing out.
Most of the comments here are ignorant and hate filled against the wrong people. It’s not the MAGA supporters that did this, it’s the system. We need to stop polarizing ourselves with hatred and point the finger at those truly responsible. Not the poor (literallly) voters who are so dejected and living in decay that they just don’t give a rats ass anymore.
The more you hate the other side, the less you see the truth. The goal is to make you hate them. The goals is to make them hate you. You can’t define an entire person in a paragraph.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think MAGA represents to Republicans what progressives like Bernie and AOC represent to Democrats. Republicans were able to reimagine their party into a form that isn’t just going to follow the status quo that, like you said, has led to a stagnant existence for average Americans over the last 50+ years. And stagnant is probably a nice way of putting it, since buying power has essentially disappeared, on top of wages barely moving.
So Trump comes in, he says drain the swamp, and you hear that to mean the whole machine, everyone who, for the last 50 years (and some folks have been involved in that government for a good chunk of that 50 years, just perpetuating that status quo) has allowed the rich to get richer at the expense of the working middle class.
And so you toss on your blinders. You’re not necessarily a bigot, but you believe social issues are a distraction from actual problems (i.e., ones that affect you directly), and you vote in a way that you hope will better your life. It’s hard to blame someone, especially someone just exhausted from grinding through their shitty life, for thinking about themselves. It’s not the right way to think, but I get it.
Makhno@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And so you toss on your blinders. You’re not necessarily a bigot, but you believe social issues are a distraction from actual problems
Tbf, identity politics are 100% used as a smokescreen
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This is pretty much it, in my view.
Americans need to watch the Estonian-Georgian movie Tangerines before demonizing “the other side”. Besides an anti-war movie, it’s also about a movie about how two sworn enemies realize the other is also human.
uienia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are two levels of maga, the exploited and the exploiters.
For the moronic rubes who vote for it, it is purely about the bigotry. Their daily life is going to get fucked up in so many ways, but that is ok because minorities.
For the the psychos exploiting the endless maga train of morons it is pure grift.
orcrist@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Remember that they accurately believed the DNC were horrible. They stopped Hillary. They stopped Biden and Harris. Good for them? Kinda, not really though.
… We know Trump is worse. Far worse. But they saw a legitimate threat, a group of people who were not going to make their lives better, and they took some kind of action to stop them.
And then lots of bigotry. Can’t forget that.
paequ2@lemmy.today 1 year ago
A MAGA I know told me this is all worth it because he doesn’t want his son to know gay people exist and wants revenge on the people who told him he can’t say “Merry Christmas” anymore…
Pulptastic@midwest.social 1 year ago
So straw man arguments and a misunderstanding of sexuality.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oooh, big words there fella. What are you, educated or something?
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Check r/conservative and you get a fair idea.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I do. There is no information there i couldn’t find written on a bathroom wall.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That makes sense, it’s probably the same people writing both messages.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They will 100% sacrifice their own happiness and rights if they know it’s hurting people who live their lives is ways they don’t like.
This isn’t an exaggeration.
finkrat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They literally want bloodshed and the world to burn
This is conservative vengeance
And everyone is going to suffer from it
w3dd1e@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I realized this during the 2016 election. People always say they are voting against their own interests, but their only real interest is to spite someone else. Hurting other people is a win, for them.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They think all of the gov’ment was corrupt and bad, so they’re cheering for the destruction of all gov’ment.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It hurts people they think are lesser, such as LGBTQ and people of color. Racism and bigotry are very much alive in the USA
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 year ago
“We made people we don’t like fucking miserable for a bit”
Ultimately the kind of person that goes all in on a cult like MAGA could lose everything to shitty policy or because their great leader started a war or smth – But they’ll still reason it was worth it because all those <Slur>s were put in their place.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I normally do not talk politics with people I know, but this one person said they like trump because: “all I know is when he was president, I did good financially”.
I tried to tell him that the government is slow to enact things so he did good because the previous president. He didnt want to hear that and dismissed it.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If that’s all he knows he doesn’t know very much.
tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My cousin said the exact same thing.
They don’t know shit, but they still vote with such confidence. It’s maddening.
Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Like most MAGA.
yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Many years ago, I was at a “friend’s” house and his mom watched Bush on Faux News. He said, “We’re loyal Republicans. We’d rather have an idiot in office than a Democrat.”
Briaaahn@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They’re too deep to take it back now they gotta go full nazi and act like everyone else is the problem
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
MAGA doesn’t know.
They’re fearful, hateful, instinctive idiots who are more afraid of being proven wrong than anything. The definition of ride or die.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Some believe that we are reclaiming American greayness. That the tariffs are just china writing a big check to the usa. That majes feel like we are finally fighting back.
You have other that just feel good that dei, woke, sjw, litard, liberal, etc etc policy are goibg away. So society cab finally put good compient people in jobs and not be held vack by forced racial quotas.
You have other that love tge nazi salute stuff and really feel lije the government is finally working for them.
You have many who just feel good its not a democrat in office
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They get to be part of a cult of hate?
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 1 year ago
if you ask a hundred of them…
you will get a hundred different answers.
they voted because it made them feel good and addressed their anger. not for any rational reasons. it’s why they are so surprised at what is going on.
they had NO IDEA what they were voting for or why they were voting.
GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
True.
One conservative acquaintance voted for trump to bring Jesus to the country and to stop abortion.
Another voted for trump because they worship money and believe that another trump administration will help him get richer.
Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are they surprised about what’s happening? I don’t actually think they realize or care at all as long as it’s their boy doing it
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Hurting their perceived enemies.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This really is the only right answer.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 1 year ago
There is no more consensus about anything between MAGA people than there is among the left. People are individuals and they have different values. Voting for a party/candidate doesn’t mean they agree on everything. There’s likely greater difference in views and values within the groups than between them.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
the left
Quick reminder: America has no left. The Dems are centre-right vs GoP far-right (and counting).
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is very true.
Here in Missouri, for instance, voters went red but also passed a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, and voted down an abortion ban. It’s ironic, considering Democrats always insist that if they just get more
conservativecentrist they’ll win elections.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this question’s a tad premature, as it’s been less than two weeks, but in the short-term I imagine the major beneficiaries are the border cities along the southern and northern borders.
Other than that, it’s the same culty shit we see no matter who’s elected. Dems pretend their guy is a good president. Republicans pretend their guy is a good president, even when they’re doing objectively atrocious things.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you think the dictator stuff isn’t alarming? Are you not made nervous by the attempt to determine the loyalty of LEO and the military to Trump rather than the USA?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. The judiciary’s acting to counter it, as it is designed to do.
Also, fascism is and has been a fact of life in America for decades. The Patriot Act is two decades old. Open torture in America is two decades old. Ferguson was ten years ago, and nothing changed. (except militarization of police got worse and now we have cop cities) Despite vast opposition to the genocide in Gaza, Biden made sure Israel got their WMD’s. Most people in America are working 2-3 jobs at upwards of 100 hours a week for the privilege of barely surviving in a roach-infested studio. School shootings are not only a more regular phenomenon, but now people want it to be legal for people to 3-D print their guns and have them be completely untraceable. Abortion is criminalized in Idaho and soon it will be in the majority of the US states due to Biden’s failure to act.
It’s hard for me to pretend that things have suddenly gotten worse when they’ve already been bad decades and it’s just that half of the population is always willing to ignore it because their guy is in charge.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 1 year ago
Along the northern border
Look, while most of the southern border rheroric is rooted in racism, I would say there is probably a bit of an issue there, just not nearly as terrible as these racist assholes keep pushing.
But Canada?
Are we pushing that Canada has a border issue now?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not pushing anything. I’m just make sense of a premature question, and I think most of the people who voted Trump want the border secured on both sides.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Its all those Canadians fleeing to the US for a better life and TERKIN ARE JERBS
/s
Euphorazine@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But what are illegal immigrants doing that is bad? They pay taxes (sales tax, property tax via rent, and income tax if they have a stolen ID), they buy things, they contribute labor. We’re spending money to deport and hold them. It’s all a net negative.
If the problem is that they are undocumented, then document them. Give them work visas. They don’t get the right to vote or have access to welfare systems with a work visa.
How many children of immigrants speak really good English? They usually translate for their parents in my experience. Which means they are assimilating to the culture. It also seems most time the first child might have a more ethnic name, the first grandchildren usually have more American names.
Illegal immigrants commit less crime per capita, which makes sense because if you are here illegally and do crime, you get deported after your sentence. They have a bigger incentive to not do crime.
America was built by immigrants, we’re known as the cultural melting pot. When did it become such a big deal and so restricted to enter the country? Our birth rates arent high enough to sustain us forever, we need immigration.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I agree. I would like to see a more robust legal immigration system too, but I don’t think that’s ever going to materialize.
There are some issues that are a golden goose for the two ruling parties, and the Republicans make a whole lot more money with immigration being illegal than they do if we have an immigration system that actually works. That’s money they can legally pocket by loaning cash to their campaigns at 20% interest, on top of taking “gifts” in exchange for lobbyist access, so they have a vested interest making sure it never changes.
With that said, this is what America voted for. We’re stuck with it.
Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It was also pretty cool to see some actual positive news out of Palestine in recent weeks.
The fact that you think that has anything to do with Trump shows how disingenuous or ignorant you are being. The ceasefire was reached while Biden was president, and the only thing Trump has done is reauthorize even bigger bombs for Israel.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The ceasefire was reached while Biden was president
No reasonable person thinks Biden was the reason the ceasefire was reached, as the genocide continued until the literal final day of his presidency. There’s a very good reason why he had the nickname Genocide Joe, and that reason is that he did everything to earn it.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I live in a northern border city. What benefit should I be on the lookout for?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lesser numbers of illegal immigrants entering the country, both as a result of the tariff deal and increased enforcement.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
The way it is playing out in my family has led me to have to totally reevaluate my perception of my own father.
He is a generally kind man. He stayed with my mom for two decades as she declined with Parkinson’s. He took good care of her when so many people might have ghosted.
But based on his inability to see the danger here to things he himself values, I can no longer think of him as a good man. He has always valued knowledge and reason yet he swallowed the cat-eating crap out of Ohio in spite of the clear bullshit of it.
He is Mormon and very faithful. So I don’t know what he gets out of this all, except that it has required me to grieve him before his passing.
He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient. Learning that distinction is very painful. He does not possess the moral clarity to know the difference between what is legal/popular and what is right.
I always idolized my dad as a child because he was in so many ways a good father. We will probably never speak again.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a brother who leans conservative, but not part of the cult. He is generally a good guy but a combination of being surrounded by conservatives and believing too much of what he reads online.
He’s an engineer at an old time manufacturer and especially condemns DEI hires. I have no way of judging whether they really do hire primarily for reasons other than merit, or if he has a limited perspective informed mostly by his peers, or if it’s really a generational problem as he’s part of the old timers being replaced by upstarts.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
It’s probably partly generational. I mean the old guard got pensions and we get wtevs.
People who aren’t in leadership often have no idea how to judge actual merit anyway. Especially among engineers who often develop very myopic views informed by their tech specialties. I am often gob-smacked by the incredibly stupid ideas otherwise brilliant engineers have about how the world works.
So sadly folks like your brother are probably feeling validated for their racist feelings right now.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It can hard to see good people do bad things. To learn all that love came with limits
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I shared with my mother, only yesterday, that I consider her somewhat of a bad person for voting for orange for a second term. I said that she could be forgiven for not perceiving what he is the first time (though it was obvious to anyone with limited understanding of the world), but after seeing him in action and voting for him again, she should be ashamed of herself. I don’t expect the relationship to ever fully recover, as I will not forgive her for endangering my loved ones and all of us collectively.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m very grateful that my parents have never lived in the Utah bubble; they saw right through Trump in 2016, and, for the first time in their lives, voted for someone other than a Republican.
Keep in mind that Benson was hard right; he would have thought that John Birchers were leftists. He and his faction may not have led the church for very long, but they had a profound influence on it.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“ He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient.”
Sadly this is the legacy of the LDS faith.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t forget the cliqueiness. I’ve been the victim of the mormon cliques more than once.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Sorry for your loss.
Religion sucks so much, especially the more dogmatic ones. Mormonism is gross.
One insight I would offer is that categorising people as “good” or “not good” may not be helpful. I suspect that your dad probably invests a lot of effort in being a good man, he’s just unable to acknowledge that his perspective has been corrupted.
We judge ourselves by our intentions but others by their actions.
It’s not wrong to never speak to him again, but maybe this will make the mourning easier.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Thank you.
Yes, I agree black and white categories aren’t the ideal way to describe people.
But there comes a time when nuance is used against the compassionate to normalize reprehensible actions. We are in that time now.
It is for these reasons that I cannot stand listening to NPR anymore. The ineffectual hand wringing and disingenuous ’liberal self-reflection’ is tiresome and we are well past the time for thoughtful think-pieces.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
“What MAGA all agree” is a fool’s errand, like most universal consensus questions.
But here are a few high points:
Most importantly, a large subset of this last group overlaps with the others, and believe that they only way for them to get ahead is by climbing over the bodies of others.