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Does anyone actually know what MAGA all agree they are getting out of all this?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pretty sure the common denominator is “owning the libs.”

    It’s not just liberals that are voting against their opposition than they are for the political candidates they vote for; the other side is largely doing the same. That’s why American democracy is failing: we’re so disillusioned with our own parties that we’ve been reduced to voting for them just to keep the opposition from power. Hence, no matter how we vote, we’re dissatisfied, but we tell ourselves pretty stories to make it all right. The only real winners are corporations, which have all of these clowns in their pockets.

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    • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve been saying it for years and every time I’m told “but if you don’t vote the lesser evil the greater evil wins!”

      Well, as predicted, if you do vote the lesser evil the bar is lowered year after year until both are significantly more evil than before. Standards must be enforced. We need to demand candidates that are better than last year’s, not just better than the opposition.

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      • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are you making the assertion that each successive candidate gets more evil? Do you think Bill Clinton was a more moral person than Barak Obama?

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      • Takumidesh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If the lesser evil were consistently voted in year over year, the evilness would slowly decline.

        The problem is that doesn’t happen. The lesser evil is often not selected, that’s the part that shifts the scale.

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      • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I agree, but I honestly don’t know what the solution is. Beyond blind revolution, which is inherently chaotic and difficult to predict, I don’t see a solution. The U.S. seems doomed to spiral in the same way we’ve seen other nations do so for the foreseeable future. It all depends on how this current administration plays out and how people react to it in the future. Americans are so uneducated and gullible these days that I can’t predict how they’ll behave (and I’m an American).

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  • ozoned@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve talked to friends that were very excited Trump won. Recently tried having an open conversation with someone that left my community afterwards over the conversations because I didn’t come to his side.

    They just believe it’ll be better. What better? They don’t know. They can’t verbalize, because they’re told it’s terrible now and will be better.

    They believe Trump isn’t a criminal, didn’t incite violence on Jan 6, the woke people are out to get them, etc. I’ve literally asked people to define “woke” for me when they use it that way. They can’t. They don’t know. They’re not bad people, they’re brainwashed at this point.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree. I’ve heard people say that they willingly voted for a criminal rapist huckster and I don’t believe that. They thought he was something different. They are fucking dumb, not evil.

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  • Vinny_93@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Look in his eyes, it’s all lies. The stars after v be stripes have been swiped, washed out and wiped and replaced with his own face”

    It was written about W but I think it applies again

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They want you to suffer. Their lives are miserable, and their media has taught them that it’s YOUR fault. So now they want you to suffer.

    Hint: the reason it’s this way is that the elite control the media. If you’re fighting with your financial equals on the other side, then both sides aren’t getting together to fight the rich.

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    • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hint: the reason it’s this way is that the elite control the media. If you’re fighting with your financial equals on the other side, then both sides aren’t getting together to fight the rich.

      The focus of this cartoon is, I believe, an Austrailian(?) politician. I think it works though as “generic oligarch” or “Republicans.”

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      Don’t forget folks:

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      • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I believe the Australian is Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news and The Daily Mail

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  • aarRJaay@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I assume it’s “Sending all the foreigners back to where they came from” (even if they came from the US). Anyone who doesn’t look, think, act or speak like them have to go so they can live in the utopia they think it will be once they’ve all gone.

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  • phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re a cult, everyone within the cult implicitly agrees on the reality that matches what the leader(s) say regardless of what the leader does. There are many pipelines into the cult, gamers/incels, being an outcast for some reason, the general shitty state of things, etc they all lead to a desire for things to be better in some way. The leader promises this and everyone in the cult agrees that following the leader will fix these things somehow. If the leader does something contrary it is justified simply by saying that you as not the leader don’t understand. There’s 5d chess being played and while you’re awesome and good with 4d chess because you’re in the cult only the leader and some of the higher ups know the 5d strategy. Don’t worry and trust the leader. Drink the Flavor aid, your kids and friends already did.

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  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Validation for their feelings and a return to a mythologized past. Try having a reasoned political discussion with someone like this:

    Well back in my day things were just better. America was the best and we didn’t have to apologize for that. And the blacks and mexicans and what not didn’t complain so damn much because folks were wired different back then and there wasn’t nothin to complain about. Chuck Berry. You know Chuck Berry? Greatest rock and roller of all time and he was colored. Didn’t nobody have anything to say about it, he was just damned good at guitar. Now the kids - black kids - listen to all sorts of damnable noise and them from the cities in gangs shooting each other up and corrupting good old white kids in the small towns and suburbs getting them into drugs. And they whine and complain about racism and get the white college kids to whine and complain too, but we had a black president and look how that turned out. Granted he was a muslim and not even a citizen, but try tellin them that. I mean hell look at what Hillary did to all them folks at Benghazi - just let them muslims kill all of em , probably wouldn’t have been politically correct to fight back. And those democrat cities just keep letting illegals stay because they know they’ll vote democrat - they don’t care how many of them are raping and murdering women and kids long as they get their votes. Not even just the mexicans anymore, you got those communists gangs from venezuela taking over whole apartment complexes and the defunded police cann’t do anything about it. You know something was wrong with that Biden election - not just illegals voting but I saw on Fox that they were sending out dozens of mail-in ballots to blacks and college kids and what have you. Maybe Elon’s going to fix it now since he knows all about those voting machines. Liberals voting for dead people too, but that’s been on the news since Bush - I don’t know why nobody does anything about that. And you know what? We knew which bathroom tonuse too - we figured out a genius method. I’ll tell you: drop your drawers and look down. Then you’ll know. And you’ll know if you should be on a mens or womens track team, too. It’s probably because all the kids have autism from the vaccines these days - now I guess they’re mutants because of that COVID mRNA vaccine too - but not me. No sir. I’ll stick with the DNA god gave me. That’s probably why all the boys think they’re girls now. Or cats and try to piss in litterboxes at school. People knew who and what they were once. They knew their place, worked hard, and didn’t complain. Now if we can just get Trump in for a few more terms then he’ll set everything straight and get rid of all those regulations so.I can afford eggs again.

    These folks are genuinely operating on an entirely separate set of facts and assumptions to us. They have decades of counterfactual propagandized conspiracy theories, which are too numerous and ingrained to easily disabuse them of.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If they like Chuck Berry, they’re gonna love Morgan Freeman.

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    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Reads like satire.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I couldn’t even finish the paraphrased quote. I want to slap this nonexistant being who never actually said those things, because they never existed…but in a way they exist everywhere. Like I just screamed, knowing I can’t reply to you, and put some facts in place, because you’re not actually saying those things. You’re showcasing the spirit of someone who does say those things. And I get it. I do.

      I just also want to scream into a pillow.

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      • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s exhausting. And trying to convince someone like that of anything is basically impossible. I have had painstaking, well-reasoned and well-sourced political discussions with many people like that. Funny thing is, I can almost always get the to agree to progressive or socialist policy goals. But, there are all these ideological land mines and, if you trip one, then they fall back into their defensive web of miscellaneous falsehoods and conspiracies.

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  • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It seems to me Trumps strategy is always to promise different, often contradictory, things to different people. Anti elite is the red thread.

    By tearing the entire country down, I guess a lot of his base feels he is successfully fucking up the elites. They like him because his different and promises real change, and I guess that's what they are getting.

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  • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    From the replies, it seems that we’re all having a hard time pinning it down exactly.

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  • Zombiepirate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Reactionary ideology is all about protecting privilege by demonizing marginalized people. They believe in zero-sum rights and privileges: in their view, expansion of rights for another group inherently means a loss of rights for them.

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    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not a loss of rights, a loss of advantages. They want to keep them.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bingo. Conservatives believe that if someone outside their group is given anything, they lost that thing.

      It’s stupid simple, zero-sum game theory is the only thing they believe in.

      Lemmy: “It’s RACISM!”

      No, it’s far simpler than that.

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      • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s also racism.

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  • Squorlple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It hurts people who aren’t in their arbitrary in-group, and they believe that is good. They believe any affliction to them by way of those harming the out-group is a necessary sacrifice to cleanse society of the evil sin of not being in their arbitrary in-group.

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  • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They don’t all agree on anything. Logic and reason aren’t part of the requirements for MAGA.

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Their axially frowned upon. They love the uneducated.

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      • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Please tell me your choice of “Their” was a joke…

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  • radix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Causing a complete collapse of society to own the libs.

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    • the_fuzz@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The complete collapse of society, but not to own the libs. It’s to set up a new political system controlled by billionaires as techno feudal lords:

      piped.wireway.ch/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no%3Fsi%3Dfev-O…

      They’re not even trying to hide it:

      thenetworkstate.com/the-network-state-in-one-sent…

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    • errer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is actually what many of them want: no government at all telling them what to do, but they’re safe because they got guns! And that’s where the thought process ends.

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      • anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Add in that they think once they stop paying taxes they’ll be rich like Trump too.

        Plus an serious dose of racism.

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    • DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “That’ll show em!” They said, proudly looked at the divet in their face where their nose used to be.

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  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They get to say the n word with confidence, in certain situations, far from large groups of POC’s, at their dive bars… surrounded by their christo fascist friends… where was I going with this?

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