Does anyone actually know what MAGA all agree they are getting out of all this?

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• Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  From the replies, it seems that we’re all having a hard time pinning it down exactly.

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• Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They say it all the time. You just have to hear, and more important, listen to them

  About 70% of reps think the government deficit is too high. About 45% of Dems think the same. Both have been, interestingly, increasing yearly.

  Widespread, 60% of voting age adults in USA think the government spends too much “on shit nobody cares about”. My quote.

  Because people want the spending on medical care, education, science, social security, helping the needed and so on. Polling shows it.

  But this has to come at a cost.

  Dems want a bigger state apparatus behind all this.

  Reps want an efficient, smaller one behind this.

  Interesting as well , a lot of people, like 40%, want more spend in security forces.

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  • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … no one believes trump will deliver a smaller government. If they do they haven’t been paying attention.

    This use to just be a libertarian thing, too. So, you can say they are united in this cause but could I really ask any MAGA person and this is what they will tell me?

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    if you’re going to make that point you need to mention the pattern of unfounded tax cuts over the last couple decades.

    Yes the deficit is way too high, but also yes funding is too low on important things like safety nets, human services, infrastructure, long term societal advance. Most importantly, yes the unfunded tax cuts focusing on the wealthy and corporation of the last few decades is the real issue

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• uienia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are two levels of maga, the exploited and the exploiters.

  For the moronic rubes who vote for it, it is purely about the bigotry. Their daily life is going to get fucked up in so many ways, but that is ok because minorities.

  For the the psychos exploiting the endless maga train of morons it is pure grift.

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• orcrist@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Remember that they accurately believed the DNC were horrible. They stopped Hillary. They stopped Biden and Harris. Good for them? Kinda, not really though.

  … We know Trump is worse. Far worse. But they saw a legitimate threat, a group of people who were not going to make their lives better, and they took some kind of action to stop them.

  And then lots of bigotry. Can’t forget that.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think this question’s a tad premature, as it’s been less than two weeks, but in the short-term I imagine the major beneficiaries are the border cities along the southern and northern borders.

  Other than that, it’s the same culty shit we see no matter who’s elected. Dems pretend their guy is a good president. Republicans pretend their guy is a good president, even when they’re doing objectively atrocious things.

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  • Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It was also pretty cool to see some actual positive news out of Palestine in recent weeks.

    The fact that you think that has anything to do with Trump shows how disingenuous or ignorant you are being. The ceasefire was reached while Biden was president, and the only thing Trump has done is reauthorize even bigger bombs for Israel.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The ceasefire was reached while Biden was president

      No reasonable person thinks Biden was the reason the ceasefire was reached, as the genocide continued until the literal final day of his presidency. There’s a very good reason why he had the nickname Genocide Joe, and that reason is that he did everything to earn it.

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  • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I live in a northern border city. What benefit should I be on the lookout for?

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lesser numbers of illegal immigrants entering the country, both as a result of the tariff deal and increased enforcement.

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  • Euphorazine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But what are illegal immigrants doing that is bad? They pay taxes (sales tax, property tax via rent, and income tax if they have a stolen ID), they buy things, they contribute labor. We’re spending money to deport and hold them. It’s all a net negative.

    If the problem is that they are undocumented, then document them. Give them work visas. They don’t get the right to vote or have access to welfare systems with a work visa.

    How many children of immigrants speak really good English? They usually translate for their parents in my experience. Which means they are assimilating to the culture. It also seems most time the first child might have a more ethnic name, the first grandchildren usually have more American names.

    Illegal immigrants commit less crime per capita, which makes sense because if you are here illegally and do crime, you get deported after your sentence. They have a bigger incentive to not do crime.

    America was built by immigrants, we’re known as the cultural melting pot. When did it become such a big deal and so restricted to enter the country? Our birth rates arent high enough to sustain us forever, we need immigration.

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree. I would like to see a more robust legal immigration system too, but I don’t think that’s ever going to materialize.

      There are some issues that are a golden goose for the two ruling parties, and the Republicans make a whole lot more money with immigration being illegal than they do if we have an immigration system that actually works. That’s money they can legally pocket by loaning cash to their campaigns at 20% interest, on top of taking “gifts” in exchange for lobbyist access, so they have a vested interest making sure it never changes.

      With that said, this is what America voted for. We’re stuck with it.

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  • RamenJunkie@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Along the northern border

    Look, while most of the southern border rheroric is rooted in racism, I would say there is probably a bit of an issue there, just not nearly as terrible as these racist assholes keep pushing.

    But Canada?

    Are we pushing that Canada has a border issue now?

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    • y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its all those Canadians fleeing to the US for a better life and TERKIN ARE JERBS

      /s

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not pushing anything. I’m just make sense of a premature question, and I think most of the people who voted Trump want the border secured on both sides.

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  • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you think the dictator stuff isn’t alarming? Are you not made nervous by the attempt to determine the loyalty of LEO and the military to Trump rather than the USA?

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No. The judiciary’s acting to counter it, as it is designed to do.

      Also, fascism is and has been a fact of life in America for decades. The Patriot Act is two decades old. Open torture in America is two decades old. Ferguson was ten years ago, and nothing changed. (except militarization of police got worse and now we have cop cities) Despite vast opposition to the genocide in Gaza, Biden made sure Israel got their WMD’s. Most people in America are working 2-3 jobs at upwards of 100 hours a week for the privilege of barely surviving in a roach-infested studio. School shootings are not only a more regular phenomenon, but now people want it to be legal for people to 3-D print their guns and have them be completely untraceable. Abortion is criminalized in Idaho and soon it will be in the majority of the US states due to Biden’s failure to act.

      It’s hard for me to pretend that things have suddenly gotten worse when they’ve already been bad decades and it’s just that half of the population is always willing to ignore it because their guy is in charge.

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• CriticalThought@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  OP is asking an interesting and important question. While I don’t claim it as definitive, there was an insightful article written in 2016 that attempted to address the question head on: How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind

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  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Already some of you have gotten angry, feeling this gut-level revulsion at any attempt to excuse or even understand these people. After all, they’re hardly people, right? Aren’t they just a mass of ignorant, rageful, crude, cursing, spitting subhumans?

    It feels good to dismiss people, to mock them, to write them off as deplorables. But you might as well take time to try to understand them, because I’m telling you, they’ll still be around long after Trump is gone.

    This is basically Lemmy’s whole MO LMAO 🤣

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  • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it were actually country vs city why donald trump?

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    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bro did you even read the article

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• Vinny_93@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Look in his eyes, it’s all lies. The stars after v be stripes have been swiped, washed out and wiped and replaced with his own face”

  It was written about W but I think it applies again

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• aarRJaay@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I assume it’s “Sending all the foreigners back to where they came from” (even if they came from the US). Anyone who doesn’t look, think, act or speak like them have to go so they can live in the utopia they think it will be once they’ve all gone.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why, the same thing everyone gets from voting: stopping the other side.

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• leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Revenge. 🤷‍♂️

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• billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve wondered this exact question. How does any of this evil fascist shit benefit the average Trump voter.

  Trade tariffs just make things like durable goods more expensive.

  Deporting migrant workers is going to make food more expensive.

  Killing all references to Trans people doesn’t do anything but hurt the Trans folks.

  Killing all references to climate change is just going to eventually destroy the whole planet (well just our existence on it… the planet will be fine eventually).

  Killing the Dept of Education is just going to make us all dumber.

  DOGE is just a meme dept whose soul purpose seems to be to let Elon enact his revenge.

  RFK2 gets in charge of all the countries medicine and vaccines and bans it all just in time for Pandemic 2, Electric Boogaloo.

  So basically things get a lot more expensive, the rich get richer, lots of people die, and the world becomes a generally more shitty place. Yay!!! Let’s Go Brandon!!

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  • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not like these people are open to reasoned debate. The only answer is there is something broken inside and fuck if I know what.

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• swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “What MAGA all agree” is a fool’s errand, like most universal consensus questions.

  But here are a few high points:

  • Some genuinely believe the rhetoric about how Trans/brown/non-Christian/etc. people are destroying the American way of life, jobs, safety, sports, the economy, and whatever they get pointed to at any given moment.
  • Some are outright racists, bullies, and fascists, and absolutely love what Trump is doing right now.
  • Many are just frustrated with their lot in life, and are willing to try anything (except personal action) to improve things.
  • Many more feel like they’re just a few paycheques or a small windfall away from living the rich life like Musk et al. As about 90% of lottery winners can attest, winning $10M or so doesn’t make you obscenely wealthy, and it’s still pretty easy to piss it all away. They have no concept of the difference between “rich enough to not work” and “rich enough to own multiple superyachts.”

  Most importantly, a large subset of this last group overlaps with the others, and believe that they only way for them to get ahead is by climbing over the bodies of others.

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