Meanwhile, at my workplace, we had to evacuate over the possibility of roads flooding in a tropical storm.
I thought this kind of nonsense was a thing of the past.
You'll have to use pto time to drown, but make sure it's approved first
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HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
PSA: before the advent of organized labor, workers would often negotiate with tactics such as “be fair to us, or we’ll break your kneecaps and burn your fucking factory down”.
mogranja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And then the factory owners got organized, got the police unionized, and we can’t do this anymore.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
There are still more of us than there are of them
Zip2@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Do employers not have a duty of care to their employees over there?
Or the word “twice”?
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Didn’t the triangle waistshirt fire happen because the employers were fucking assholes and locked the fire escapes? This is like that, but with water instead of fire.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I hope the management gets wrongful death suits launched against them
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Civil suits? They belong in prison.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeah but they’ll hide behind their corporation so there’s no “person” to throw in prison.
Corporations aren’t people no matter what the supreme court says
BigMacHole@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The ONLY Reason this happened is Because instead of INVESTING in FLOOD PROTECTIONS we made them pay TAXES!
ovalofsand@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Non-specific outrage. What a way to communicate
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Heh? I don’t get it. What are you trying to say here? Where do you think government mo ey to invest in flood protections come from? Taxes…?
lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
I believe it’s a parody of the people that will gab any nonsense to rail against taxes.
Besides, from the income of putting prisoners to work obviously.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The worst part is the Trump appointed SCOTUS basically made this legal to do.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 year ago
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 year ago
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So they were only dismissed when the plant lost power and the workers were of no use to the company
hydrospanner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And very literally after it was too late to safely leave.
Which means, by definition, they were not dismissed while they could safely leave.
Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Charge the manager with a separate count of murder for every employee that died due to their orders.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
In old Japan, they would have made a bunch of management chop their finger off or commit seppuku.
Im not suggesting that. I’m just saying.
GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m suggesting it.
Delphia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Murder wouldnt stick, have to prove intent.
Negligent Homicide or Criminal Negligence on the other hand…
Krono@lemmy.today 1 year ago
TN has a strong felony murder statute. You dont need to prove intent, you just need to prove they were perpetrating a related violent felony.
I’m not a lawyer but in this case it seems like management have probably met the criteria for felony theft or kidnapping. Any properly motivated DA could then add a felony murder charge for each death.
lido@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That’s a question for the jury. Charge the manager with all and let the jury decide.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Honestly, in the course of our species living in servitude to a few thousand sociopaths who’ve used their capital/power to convince us that meaningless productivity for toxic economic metasisis is “the only way forward” and the meaning of life, their terraforming of our only habitat against our physically fragile species in their blind, reckless pursuit of ever moaar is accidental mercy.
Extinction is far preferable to generation after generation sacrificing themselves from cradle to grave solely to enrich the modern pharoahs of avarice.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 year ago
There are some studies that say the Sahara desert is actually the result of mass farming goats in the area that removed so much of the vegetation it started a cascading effect of desertification.
We have a long history of fucking up the planet for reasons that are silly in hindsight that leaves scars that literally affect the future of the planet. Unfortunately I don’t think there will ever be a swift and merciful end but one that drags out so don’t go praising the suffering to come yet.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I worked at a major destination-store focused on fishing and hunting products.
We had a hurricane hitting and the manager on duty made it clear that anyone going home to help out their families would be fired. Then when he got the call that water was rising near his house, he took off.
I’ve never hated a manager more than in that moment. When I was in management later, I made sure that I took all the shitty holiday shifts so my staff didn’t have to work until 10pm on Christmas Eve and then be back in the building changing prices for the after-Christmas sale at 2am on the 26th.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh no, the store burned down just after you left! What a shame!
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The good ol rules for me not for thee shenanigans
abracaDavid@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Man if I’m moving my parked car to avoid rising waters, I’m not re parking. I’m out of there.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I’m sure most people did the same thing.
The ones who were too loyal to the company died.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 year ago
In the article and the after statement from the company it seems that a lot of employees left earlier but the ones that stayed were non native English speaking immigrants that paid with their lives to be cheap labor and are being represented by a refugee and immigration group in the area for their deaths.
So not loyal but those trapped to the company that held power over them. As you would expect of people that need the job to stay and allows for the company to have absolute power over their workers like they want.
bitwolf@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Man if it’s a state of emergency let them sink with the ship.
It so sad, they probably complied because they needed their jobs.
Etterra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well on the bright side at least now they don’t? I hope their families sue the shit out of the company and the manager.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Sorry boss. I don’t die for nobody. Oh you want to fire me? I’m sure the Department of Labor and OSHA would love to hear about how you forced us to stay in a dangerous environment under threat of termination. I’m sure that’ll end super swell for you.
barsquid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You are correct but you have to survive not being paid long enough to win the court case. Sometimes even when people know their rights they are living paycheck to paycheck and cannot risk being fired.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Did you just say you would rather die than not be paid?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The part of your workday that you’re most likely to die during is your commute, which is not covered by DoL or OSHA.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Your comment doesn’t really address my point. I’m talking about people who died at work who were threatened with termination if they attempted to leave a dangerous work environment.
raynethackery@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In my state, as long as you don’t make any stops between home and work, you are covered by workers compensation.
Unboxious@ani.social 1 year ago
The part of your workday that you’re most likely to die during is your commute, especially if you drive, which is not covered by DoL or OSHA.
FWIW this is because of DoL and OSHA making sure that once you get to work they have to keep you reasonably safe. This was not always the case in the past.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think imminent natural disaster trumps that just a tad bit.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Sadly, it might end just fine for the boss. The employee would be better off going to the press first.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Not arguing, but how? How would this not be a slam dunk for a labor law lawyer? The law is pretty clear on prohibiting threats of termination in the face of danger.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Song along with me!
🎵 It always will end up fine… When you’re rich 🎵
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] 1 year ago
capitalism was a mistake
masterofn001@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Is.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
’‘ls’ is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.’
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Will continue to be.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Evacuation Warnings should carry a legal responsibility to close all nonessential businesses until the immediate crisis is over. Honestly, even the Waffle House manager should hand over the keys to the Fire Chief. Those guys know how to cook, and clean up after themselves, should the need arise.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If I learned anything durring covid it’s that basically every business is “essential”.
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Yep.
Watching my 19yo niece wake up every morning to go work at the breakfast restaurant during the pandemic because she was essential.
My 60yo mom waking up to work at the pastries factory with hundreds of other people during the pandemic because she was essential.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Yep. Company I work for didn’t miss a day of work because our boss had the HR manager make up a certificate for us to all put in our cars telling the police that we were considered ‘essential’.
I don’t think we are, but hey ho.
5in1k@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I know they were scared to lose their livelihoods but there’s no way my job could have that level of control over me. ” Sorry fuckfaces but biblical stuff is happening outside, I’m out”
DillyDaily@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m wondering how many missed the chance to stand up for themselves, saw it coming, saw itself pass, and knew it.
Something similar happened to me in the 2019 Australian bushfires.
All official advice when I left that morning was that we were safe to continue operating. I worked at a food bank so I considered my job essential. That afternoon, The wind changed, the humidity dropped, the official advice was updated, and my managers immediately shut the centre down. The immediate evacuationoffered me to order came in, it was now or never.
People started leaving. I had 3 underage interns with me, who’s parents were on their way to come pick them up.
I kept looking outside thinking to myself “how the fuck am I going to getting home? And then what? My house is at risk too, it’s too late for a real evacuation, I’m probably safer here with some water and wool blankets”.
I had to an evacuation plan. I even had an evacuation plan assuming I was at work when the time to leave hit. Those plans hinged on me leaving as soon as the order can in, or preferably before.
What I never had was a plan to leave if I had someone stuck in my duty of care and couldn’t take them with me. My conscience was not prepared to leave teenagers alone in a warehouse on fire, and in that moment I acknowledged I might die from this choice.
When the final parent came up pick them up, I was lucky, they had an empty seat in their car so I explained my situation and got in.
They offered to drop me at home, but again, what would I do differently at home other than burn in my own house instead of a warehouse. So we just kept driving.
My manager was pissed when she heard I’d stayed back so late, she told me I should have started jogging as soon as everyone else got in their cars. Ah, hindsight. She asked if I was seriously willing to die for my job… Not my job, but the people I have a duty of care for, sure. my first job was a picu candystriper, we were taught how to fill our pockets with babies in case of a fire, you don’t leave the burning hospital alone. That’s hard to unwire to develop an every man for himself attitude.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How many times in your life have you been without a meal for an entire day because you couldn’t afford one? Ever been without a place to live?
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good luck fighting my unemployment when I tell them I got fired for keeping myself safe in a natural disaster.
5in1k@lemm.ee 1 year ago
More times than I ca n die that’s for sure.
bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Yes and yes. And now I don’t rely on untrustworthy businesses for my paycheque. It’s not worth the risk.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Good thing preventing employees from leaving the building is illegal.
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 year ago
You’d be without many meals if you died in a flood.
Maalus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Have you ever been dead? Your argument sounds exactly like my question.
Tinks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would rather risk homelessness and starvation rather than drowning. If the water around the place I am is rising I am going to get to safety. Full stop. No job is worth risking my life for.
I understand what you’re saying, but at the end of the day if you are dead, nothing else matters.
DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
If you don’t leave the building you will not be having any more meals ever again.
Soleos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I could go without for a day… but if I had dependents, I’d be worried for not just the day, but every day after that too
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
99% of the country votes capitalist every two years, and then everyone clutches their pearls when capitalist things happen. Guys, this is the world you wanted.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Well, 99% of the people who vote. The people who dissent do it by not voting.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can’t blame the people not voting when they can’t afford to miss work to vote.
If you’re a wage earner, you’ve watched the last two decades as both Democrats and Republicans have made it explicitly clear that they’re comfortable with you being paid poverty wages.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The world is literally the Matrix, except instead of being kept in a mind prison without seeing your captors, you’re kept in an economic prison, and your captors rattle your cage every day with their massive cocks while they laugh at you.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s some truth to that.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Dunno bout “not hiding” I just read 6 Bloomberg articles that said everything’s going great and it must be my gosh darn feelings actin up again
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dems: We Are Capitalists
I mean, capitalism is going pretty great for the Bloombergs of the world.
ech@lemm.ee 1 year ago
We really need to break our conditioning that employment is the highest priority in our lives. That employers can dictate whether we take live saving action depending on how many pennies it’ll cost them.
And this isn’t to victim blame. What happened to these people is a travesty and the company holds the blame for it, 100%. It’s more to point out that we’re the only ones that can take action on this. Nobody (certainly not corps) is going to break this mindset or norm on our behalf. Look out for yourself and your peers. You’re more important then your employer’s bottom line.
MNByChoice@midwest.social 1 year ago
If only our health insurance wasn’t tied to our jobs.
If only wages were high enough to have something extra to cushion.
If only we didn’t have to work so long, wr could think and make better decisions.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We really need to break our conditioning that employment is the highest priority in our lives.
It’s not really conditioning when it’s actually the case. Without my job I’m likely homeless or dead within weeks. If Iose my job then I can no longer pay my bills, within a few months I’ll be homeless. More urgently though I lose access to my health insurance which means I lose access to the medications keeping my mental illness in check. Finding a new job normally is a pain; finding one when you’re so depressed that you really don’t even care if you live or die is next to impossible. Also once it flares up you tend to stop caring about even seeking treatment for it making it a self perpetuating issue. If I got fired I would have only a few weeks to find a new job before I wound up in a position I likely wouldn’t recover from. Sure there are things like unemployment but that doesn’t even come close to paying my bills let alone affording my own health insurance.
So it would take a lot for me to risk walking away from my job and risk getting fired. I could easily see myself in the same position as these people, waiting until it’s too late to run out of fear of losing my job. If we want people to be able to walk away from situations like this then we need to make survival possible without employment. We need healthcare to not be tied to employment and we need real unemployment pay to keep people afloat while they find a new job.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That employers can dictate whether we take live saving action depending on how many pennies it’ll cost them.
If nothing else we must internalize this fact. i think many are still operating under the impression that their employers value their lives. We must understand viscerally that our lives do not, to them, at all. I think the rest takes care of itself once we get over that hump
queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Publish the manager’s name.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
and address
craigers@lemmy.world 1 year ago
-----E
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 1 year ago
God damn that’s sad. Fuck i don’t want to die working
crank0271@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you’re under, like, 60, you probably will (sorry).
xyguy@startrek.website 1 year ago
113 Years after the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire and not enough has changed for the better.
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
This story and the Triangle Shirtwaist factory should be a reminder that almost every large business owner would kill you if it meant they could make slightly more money.
How much extra value do you think they generated in a couple of hours of making plastic pipes? That’s what their lives were worth to the factory owners.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can’t really expect change when all we vote for are capitalists. If we want our culture to change, we have to make different choices in the ballot box.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If “a state of emergency” doesn’t protect workers who are fleeing said emergency in the same way that jury duty and voting rights do, then they are broken and need to be fixed.
someguy3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
JFC.
teft@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I do not understand the mentality. Companies do not care for your well-being. Don’t die for them just because your manager is an idiot that says “stay put”.
zante@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
A much happier story would have “I was fired for fleeing a flood but I lived to tell the tell”
This is heartbreaking
Gork@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Archive link to the story. There should be some consequences to the management who didn’t allow them to leave when the flash flood warning was issued.
sirico@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Didn’t this happen during the last Hurricane as well?
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I hope their productivity wasn’t impeded by this minor inconvenience. I’d hate it if their dying led to their employer making marginally less money. So rude of them.