Statcounter reports that Windows 11 continues to lose its market share for the second month in a row. Windows 10, meanwhile, is gaining more users and is now back above the 70% mark.
That’s it, they need to roll out ads in BIOS
Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining
Submitted 2 weeks ago by lautan@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/
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slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
cm0002@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Want to change your boot order?
You’ll need to watch a 30 second ad, or subscribe for ad free BIOS for just 1.99/month
thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
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ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Nah you’ll have to download a half-english app, sign up on a website you haven’t heard before, request BIOS access code, wait up to a month and then you can do that
DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
If they are gonna put advertisements in the bios then ill flash my pc with libreboot
androidisking@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t give them any ideas. They are watching the forums 😂
Sabata11792@kbin.social 2 weeks ago
The funny part is that windows will change your boot order back without your consent.
AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Would technically be doable in UEFI… But I’m not mad enough to bring this shit to the world
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anyone who does should be trialed for crimes against humanity.
lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Creating an image of this and posting it on Lemmy = guaranteed XYZ upvotes.
Who wants to do it?q
uranibaba@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just comment or comment with post?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Aren’t there already? With vendor splash screens and all the graphics in the BIOS settings menus? Why don’t I get paid every time Asrock gets to display their logo on my monitor at boot?
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
don’t give them ideas, lol
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Call down Satan.
Dremor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Considering they allow to install application on the bios command (Armory Crate, that kind of shit), consider it already done.
Bitflip@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Sounds like what happened when Windows 8 came out. Oops I meant Windows Vista. My bad, I’m thinking of Windows Me. Sorry, I might have it confused with NT 3. Everyone loved Windows 2.0 right?
weew@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Every other version of Windows. It’s practically a rule.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Seems like they’re on track to break the streak with Windows 12.
ArdMacha@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
XP was terrible until sp2 and in fact so insecure that people all over the world got infected by all kinds of shit.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
8/8.1 were better than 7/10
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you had a touchscreen, 8 was great. I ran 8 on my Yoga and enjoyed it. But I must admit 8.1 was significantly better than 8.
And 10 was better than 8.1, so I mostly disagree with you.
But yeah, I really didn’t mind 8/8.1.
mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Far better. Let the crowd shout. Win 8.1 was the last version enjoyable.
Suffocate9920@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I recently moved my media PC to Linux Mint. I had Bluetooth issues with windows despite my hardware not that old and ‘Windows 11 ready’. Zero problems on Linux. I play the same games thanks to Steam Proton library. I use Mac for work. So I finally did it. No more Windows. I tried to switch 5 years ago. But today Linux is polished. And mostly works as expected. You still need to open terminal a few times to change some settings. I’m happy. Highly recommended.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I may yet try it in the next few years. I think one large frustration I anticipate (among others) is keyboard shortcuts. I’ve become very experienced with those on Windows, and my brief efforts at Linux (eg, on my Steam Deck’s monitor hookup) have not come across enough matches for them.
I can absolutely see value in enduring the pain of a large switch though.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Linux mint keyboard shortcuts mimic those of windows tho, Linux mint is the best choice for windows refugees, this is one of the things majority of Linux community is agree about
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Funny, one of my longstanding frustrations with windows was that I didn’t get a say in my keyboard shortcuts. Namely the fact that the shortcut to swap keyboard layouts has historically been very easy to accidentally hit.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you ever do switch I suggest something with KDE, I love keyboard shortcuts and I find anything other(Windows the most) extremely lacking in that field.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As someone who uses all 3 (work-issue MBP, personal dev laptop on fedora 40, overbuilt gaming-oriented desktop on w10 with a dual boot Ubuntu partition I haven’t used in ages because WSL lets me do what I need to most of the time), it’s really not that bad. Then again, I’ve had a trifecta like that for well over a decade at this point, so maybe I’ve just fully acclimatized to switching machines and OSes for different primary activities all the time.
dingus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whenever I try switching to Linux, there is always something that doesn’t work right and takes forever to finagle with to fix if it’s even possible. I primarily a Linux Mint fan, but I’ve also dabbled in a few other noob-friendly distros like Ubuntu and Pop OS.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love using Linux to breathe new life into older systems, but it just isn’t a good option for me personally if my device hasn’t gotten sluggish yet.
As an example, I have an aging laptop that started blue screening a bunch. It doesn’t support the Win 11 upgrade due to it’s processor not meeting minimum specs. So I thought it was finally time to see if Linux would improve it.
First of all, I had a hell of a time installing various distros without having them boot to a black screen after installation completes. Took absolutely forever to finally sus this out on the various distros I tried. Then I find that the couple extra buttons on my basic Logitech mouse don’t work. I go through a million troubleshooting steps before finding out that it’s a Wayland issue, so I switch back to Xorg and everything is cool. But then I start running into lag issues which never occurred on my Windows install.
Finally got tired of the whole ordeal and switched back to Windows. Did a bit more troubleshooting and seemed to have resolved the blue screen issues and now it seems to work perfectly and much better out of the box than Linux. It’s not an old enough device a Linux refresh to be worth it yet.
I get that Lemmings are die hard Linux fans, and I think Linux has some fantastic use cases…but for many users it actually isn’t a good alternative. I find it works best when you want to breathe new life into older hardware or if you have every component specifically built to work for a particular Linux distro. But when basic features don’t work properly without hours of troubleshooting (if you can ever get them to work at all), it’s a little hard to just recommend it to your average Joe whose Windows/Mac computer works just fine.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This. I have dabbled with various Linux distros over the past 15+ years out of curiosity. I have, without fail, had to spend days troubleshooting and fixing various problems of all kinds. Sometimes it was WiFi drivers, sometimes it was GPU drivers, sometimes it was power management issues, and most recently it’s soundcard drivers and poor audio control/quality issues. I always installed Linux as dual-boot so I had my normal Windows install to fall back on but I just couldn’t see myself able to fully switch primary OS over.
Nowadays I couldn’t switch over even if I wanted to because numerous programs I use for my work are not supported properly or at all. Linux has indeed come a long way over the years in terms of UX and software compatibility, but not everyone uses their computer just for games. There is a lot of creative and productivity software (and devices!) that have limited or zero Linux support and many FOSS alternatives are not sufficient. I hate Adobe as much as the next person and Photoshop is a bloated pile of trash, but part of my soul dies whenever a Linux fan tells me I can just replace Photoshop with GIMP. GIMP is clownware.
Another major issue I had was the community itself. When troubleshooting the issues I’ve had over the years, one big problem that kept popping back up was how toxic and condescending the Linux community can be. On more than a few occasions my requests for help on forums were met with passive aggressiveness and hostility because I “should have known better” or something along those lines. The most recent example I can think of was someone asking me to post a debug log to troubleshoot an issue I had and I had to ask him where to find the log. He told me the folder it would be in but not the folder path to get there. When I asked again where to find the log, he just told me that “maybe Linux isn’t for you”.
You know what? Maybe it isn’t. It sure isn’t for most people and I can’t see that changing soon.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
To comment on the first paragraph, that is just a skill issue. Before I switched to Linux I was pretty adept at Windows, but some things are hard to figure out because it’s hidden behind layers of bullshit. Running commands that obscure what exactly they’re doing, just because some guy on some forum said it worked for him, is how you get around on Windows and that knowledge is something you build over many years. Knowing where specific settings are or what values to use takes time. The same counts for Linux. If you stick to it, that knowledge will come with experience.
Just remember the dism and sfc scannows, registry hacks etc the average Joe doesn’t know about. Your learnt it, you didn’t start using Windows with that knowledge. The same will happen with Linux.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ve been exclusively Linux for years, and all the crap now going on with AI and ads being shoved into literally everything makes me happier than ever with that decision.
But you’re absolutely right. Linux is “it just works” in a relatively narrow use-case.
Just going on the internet to browse and play some Facebook games (my parents). It’ll absolutely work out of the box.
Doing some light creative work (design, writing, etc…) No tinkering needed.
But from there it becomes a scale from “probably work fine” to “hours of work and extra repositories needed”.
Video editing or 3D modelling with an NVIDIA card because CUDA, it SHOULD be easy to install, but there’s a chance it won’t be. You take your chances.
Gaming through proton? Single player games, yeah. I’ve literally had 95% work out of the box because Valve is awesome. But I don’t play online multiplayer. If you need to play nice with anticheat software, good luck.
I too get frustrated with the fundamentalist Linux base who think its the right fit for everyone. Because it absolutely is not, and its okay to admit that because admitting that drives the motivation to improve it.
Suffocate9920@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think Linux is for aging hardware. It just depends of your needs. Linux support all mainstream hardware, I guess. Never had any problems with something not working on Linux. I remember many years ago I had a scanner, which used to work only with Win XP or Vista because of outdated drivers. Windows 7 was too modern for it. I tried it with Linux and it worked. Now I have some random-hardware PC, everything works. It’s Intel Core 11400 hardware, AMD RX-GPU, quite modern. I think problems could be on laptops with display backlight, sleep mode or something else. Desktop PC’s should be good. Even if you have last-gen hardware, just use the latest kernel. I haven’t heard about Linux build hardware. It used to be a thing for Hackintosh builds.
My previous company HP laptop worked better on Linux, it wasn’t that hot all the time. Because Linux was consuming less system resources. My work: Browser + IDE. I had dual-boot Win10 and Ubuntu. Ended up with Windows because of Pulse Secure crap and some specific network restrictions. It was years back.
I remember I gave up with Ubuntu 5 years ago at home because after system update It just failed to boot. I didn’t touch anything. I don’t know if it’s possible today. And Proton wasn’t here and I wanted to play games. I remember I was using Lightroom, but for my very basic photographer needs Darkroom works perfectly. And it’s free!
All you need is basic troubleshooting skills. You need to google sometimes. I know that it could be an issue. Linux not for everyone. And it’s fine. It’s good to have a chose. Linux gives that choice.
Peter_Arbeitslos@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I switched from Win10 to Arch and now I do have problems with bluetooth, because my mouse officially only supports Windows. Think I will just force my mouse to support Arch (or the other way around). Still way better and faster than Windows.
jonasw@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Now I’m a bit curious how a mouse could theoretically be windows only?
IIRC bluetooth mice use basically the USB protocol but through bluetooth instead of a cable.
ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Windows just sucks at handling Bluetooth. It’s ridiculous that you can’t change audio codecs, or choose between handsfree and high quality audio. You have to let windows guess at both
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah, on Windows Heroes of the Storm was using 10gb on my gpu and stuttering massively
On Linux (Lutris) it just works
KrapKake@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey fellow HoTS Linuxer!
skoell13@feddit.de 2 weeks ago
I switched recently to Nobara after having a great experience with my steam deck. However, I’ll probably add windows as a dual boot option since CS2 doesn’t run properly (like 16fps…).
gaael@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
CS2 linux version has some issues. Sometimes forcing steam to install the windows version and to run it via proton makes things better.
whatsgoingdom@rollenspiel.forum 2 weeks ago
I tried to get nobara to run a few times but sth was always broken. I’m now on Bazzite after testing Linux Mint a few months. Bazzite seems to be the more polished fedora based gaming distro.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah in college I tried to switch for nerd cred and it sucked, but over the past year I switched and while I’ve had some hiccups, I honestly think it’s more a result of me going with an arch based distro than a Debian one. I’m thinking I may hop soon, but I assume it’ll be a massive pain
hakase@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I switched my four home computers to Linux Mint this week. Windows is just more trouble than it’s worth nowadays.
Rooki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same, its just like everywhere enshitification of companies who try to get more profitable by spying,advertising and many anti consumer practices. Linux just stays good. and / or if you dont like your distribution just swap to another, its easy :D
MudMan@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Just so we're clear, the data in the headline refers to the share of Windows editions among Windows users. By their count Windows actually went up slightly in the overall Desktop OS share last month, while Linux remains basically flat at 4%.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows is just more trouble than it’s worth nowadays.
To be fair that’s exactly how Microsoft management feels. For half a decade now Microsoft is a company that sells Linux and opensource judging by their yearly reports, other departments either don’t grow nearly as fast or are just straight detrimental. So they do want you to dump that shit, preferably gaining some cash before it happens naturally.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I work with Windows as a requirement of my job, I’m in IT and I’m constantly in and out of the bowels of the operating system. I have a lot of thoughts on this stuff.
My first thought is, stop moving everything around. Even in Windows 10, if you’re using an older version, say 1804, and you switch to a newer version, say 22H2, stuff is moved all over the place. It makes it super hard to direct someone blindly to the control they need to click to get something done. You’re making my job much harder than it needs to be. Stop it. There’s no reason to move this crap around.
To bring out my grumpy old man routine: back in my day, if you wanted to do anything, you went to the control panel. Everything you needed was there. Now it’s in settings, no wait, clicking on this settings option for that thing now launches an appx thing that, surprisingly (/s) is broken.
Too many damn times have I tried to open their damned settings app or the new defender security appx dialog simply crashes. The solution is almost always dkim online repair. Well, if it needs repair so damn much, how about you just repair it for me as part of system maintenance? The fuck.
Windows 11 is a special form of suffering. Right clicking on a file and… What the fuck is this? I basically click on “more settings” every time I right click. And the changes to the settings application… Don’t get me started.
Also, why in the fuck do we have copilot installed by default now? You’re an operating system, stay in your goddamned lane.
The only good thing I can say about Windows 11 is that it has really good security. So good that I frequently have trouble doing routine things. Today, I was trying to run a PowerShell script and it told me some bullshit error, which is pretty common for PowerShell. After googling the error, the recommendation was to change the execution policy. I went to do that at an administrative PowerShell prompt and it told me that I didn’t have access to change it. While running as the administrator. Yay. Shit is broken again. Fuck me I guess. I’m off to unfuck my less than five month old new work system because Microsoft can’t get their shit straight.
Customization options do not and cannot help me. 90% of the time I’m working on someone else’s computer, so I have to fucking deal with the default behavior because I’m not going to change it for 500+ users whom I support. I’m pretty sure I’d get more than a few complaints. So I have to fucking deal with whatever hairbrained decision Microsoft made about what should be default.
Windows 10 had its own share of bullshit. One of my most common annoyances was the way the OS decided to install fucking candy crush, every fucking time a new user logged into the goddamned computer. It’s like playing whack-a-mole, but not fun and filled with uninstalls. I hope Microsoft made some good money on that brand deal, because I sure paid for it with my frustration.
After all of this, I keep finding myself in the fucking registry, and thank God that’s one thing that hasn’t been fucked over by their new UI team. I keep having to fix dumb issues by injecting registry keys so I can not deal with the stupid UI all the goddamned time. It’s hacky, and I’m happier for it.
I could keep going. Pretty much every decision they’ve made in the past 5 years has been some measure of bad. The only thing I’ve agreed with them doing is finally ending internet explorer. Begrudgingly, edge is better, but not by a lot, IMO.
The last thing I’ll say is that the tpm bullshit is going to give me an aneurysm. Having a TPM at Windows install usually prompts the system to activate bitlocker. Bitlocker itself isn’t bad, but it’s fucking terrible when windows does this shit and doesn’t really inform the user about it. Nobody knows that they need to back up their goddamned bitlocker recovery keys, so inevitably, when something goes wrong (we’re talking about Windows here, something will go wrong) and the system stops booting, you need the fucking bitlocker recovery key to do anything. Your option, if you can call it that, if you can’t get the recovery key, is to format all of your shit, and reinstall from scratch. I know several people who have lost a lot of work and irreplaceable files, like pictures, because bitlocker fucked them over and they had no idea it was even running.
Sorry about your loss, but all those family photos you saved that don’t exist anywhere else are locked behind basically uncrackable encryption, get fucked, I guess.
I’m going to cut this rant off. Needless to say I’m pretty tired of Microsoft’s bullshit. Make an operating system. That’s what people want. That’s it. We shouldn’t need “debloat” scripts to fix your nonsense. Gah.
PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Windows is in a permanent state of shitification, it feels to be like they have sales driving development. Every year Windows applications make more and more stupid fucking decisions with how stuff functions. You can’t target a specific folder to save a word doc without 5 clicks to get to the fucking file explorer. You now left click to fix spelling instead of right click in outlook. None of this shit makes sense. They keep fucking around with how stuff operates for seemingly no rhyme or reason and all it’s doing is pissing off seasoned users. I know the devs aren’t this fucking brain dead which is how I get to “sales must be driving” mentality. Because sales people tend the be the worst fucking people to make decisions on shit,they’re good at charming people, they should stick to that.
KrapKake@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I very much enjoyed your rant. Would subscribe.
K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Idk if you love or hate windows but I hope your job switches to linux for your sanity lol I would be going crazy. Just reading your rant gave me anxiety
SilverFlame@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I recently had to reinstall windows on a coworker’s laptop because it wouldn’t boot (hard drive is probably failing). I couldn’t even format the drive because bitlocker was bit locking and the only way to turn it off is through the control panel (again, PC would not boot). I ended up having to delete the entire partition so I could reformat and install.
perdvert@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
I like how the settings for daylight savings just fucking disappeared on my kid’s laptop and I had to edit the registry to get the setting to show up and correct the time.
Kevnyon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m gonna upgrade my setup at some point, so thanks for this. I didn’t realize they had some bullshit like bitlocker in there, definitely going to disable that because I cannot lose some files.
InformalTrifle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I went back from Windows 11 to Windows 10 as 11 was too buggy on my system (maybe because I bypassed some checks for TPM because my motherboard was too old).
I cannot understand at all this move from control panel to settings thats half baked in 10 and presumably even worse in 11. It’s not an improvement and makes things difficult to find
Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows 10 is pretty crappy but tolerable, everything I’ve seen about 11 suggests it’s a utter shit show.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
I really don’t have any issues with it, but I debloated it as soon as I got it.
altec@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
After trying Windows 11 for a while, I just gave up and installed Kubuntu on my computer. I still use a Windows VM for some things, but I make sure to firewall the shit out of it lol
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The most annoying thing about Lemmy is all the Linux bros crawling out of their holes when the word “windows” is mentioned.
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
One very important detail missing here is that Windows 10 is going to be end-of-support in 2025. You won’t get security updates.
It is going to be shitshow.
Swarfega@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I started dual booting to Arch Linux and more often than not I boot more now into Linux than Windows 11. I’ve used Windows since 3.11. Microsoft really have fucked Windows recently.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Inb4 microsoft is forced to bring back support for windows 10
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Microsloth doesnt care though. They will continue ramming 11 down your throats
festus@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Looks like Microsoft needs to further enhance the consumer experience by adding more personalized product recommendations, that’ll fix it right up!
iliketurtles@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Whatever happened to windows 10 being the last windows? Like windows was moving to the os as a service model.
Drummyralf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So for all people that are on the fence about switching to Linux: Here’s a sort of review and starter guide from a guy who switched to Mint about 4 weeks ago.
Are you someone who mostly plays non-competetive games (games without anticheat) and browse the web? You’ll probably have a hassle free life on Linux. Steam’s Proton layer does a lot of heavily lifting. Even if games are not officially supported. Turn the compatability on in the steam settings.
If you play VR or competetive games, it’s a different story. VR is dependant on the headset. I unfortunately have all Oculus Headsets, which there is no good controller support for right now from the open source community. Anticheat simply doesnt work on Linux.
Design software From what I’ve read, the affinity suite now can be used through Wine (a program that lets you use windows apps on Linux) However, from my time with Wine, it is hit and miss. One update from either the application or Wine can break everything. So it is not reliable, unless you freeze all updates from both the application and Wine. Wine can be great (working out of the box) but also the biggest pain in the ass with hours of debugging. Stay away if you dislike troubleshooting.
Inkscape can be an alternative to Illustrator if you don’t do heavy design work.
I haven’t touched Gimp for about 6 years (used to be my main editor) but when I switched to photoshop it qas no competition. Don’t know what the state of Gimp is now, will try it over the coming year.
music software Cubase or any of steinbergs plugins outright will not work on Linux (unfortunately my main DAW) However, I will probably switch to Bitwig (native Linux), which looks really promising. I got some VSTs working through Wine (all arturia stuff works great) but have had hours of troubleshooting without luck with others. Use Yabridge as a vstlink for windows VSTs. If you’re a professional musician with thousands of dollars in plugins, I’d be hestitant to switch to Linux. You’ll be dependant on Wine a lot, which is kind of a pain to rely on for professional use.
overall tips Might be a bit controversial, but if you’re a novice: don’t dump all the solutions you find online in your terminal. Actually, try to use the machine as much as possible like you normally would on Windows, unless you want to do Terminal stuff. If you dislike terminals, you’ll only be frustrated by all the terminal advice people give you, which might even break stuff on your machine.
Try to download .deb packages from the official sources.++ Software center on Mint is great, but will moatly be outdated or flatpacks. Flatpacks can work, but I’ve had many issues with permissions and flatpacks (like an arduino flatpack that didn’t give permission to use the USB port…)
Welp, I’m out of time, so I’ll just randomly stop my reviewish/comment here
cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
“Solution” is to break Windows 10
MudMan@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Okay, this seemed wrong. As the article said, even Win8 didn't go down in usage over time. So I went and checked the methodology for the source data.
Turns out, this number is based on social media and search engine referral data. Also turns out, they warn that while they do track Bing chat referrals when you follow through a link, they don't see chat responses where you only read the AI response but don't click through:
We have no way of measuring the number of queries performed in bing chat. However, we also don't measure the number of queries to regular search engines like bing or google either. Instead we track search engine referrals.
i.e. If you go to a search engine and do a search for anything and you click on a website result, we'll record that click as a search engine referral if that website had the statcounter code installed. It's the click to a website that we measure, not the actual search queries that were performed.
When you do a search using bing chat, and you click on one of the "learn more" websites we can track that as a search referral. So we are monitoring bing chat in the same way we measure the regular bing search engine.
From this data we can see from the statcounter network of webites, that the amount of traffic being sent to websites from bing chat is very, very small. Less than 1/100 of 1 percent.
So from our data we can say that bing chat is not currently translating into enough clicks to our network of websites to change the search share.
Of course you are less likely to click on a source website from bing chat than a regular search, as it is intended to give you the answer rather than have you go visiting websites to find the answer. So that needs to be factored in when using our stats for your analysis.
That is very interesting. That's a likely culprit for Win11 specifically to have gone down a couple of percentage points in the US and EU (the other territories seem to remain flat), but it's hard to prove.
It's also a bit concerning in terms of measuring the effects of AI search in both network traffic and in how search results are consumed. If that's the cause it does suggest that AI chat users are less likely to follow through to the source info, which seems risky, although it's also hard to prove what that does to receiving truthful info.
Lots of counterintutitive, hard to parse implications from this one data point, but I'd be surprised if it was as simple as "people have randomly decided to roll back to Win10 (and Win8, which also grows, disconcertingly) for no reason".
Mio@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
How many % of these 70% can’t upgrade to windows 11 due to hardware limitation?
eronth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Win 11 has a bunch of new small frustrations without anything crazy good that makes me want to recommend it over 10. It’s… Just really unclear what benefits I’m actually getting from 11.
foggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows 11 upgrade strategy was basically like
Microsoft: Hey gurl let’s go out, I got a new whip!
You: …okay, where we going?
Microsoft: uh, girlfriend. Nowhere. Look at you! Come on, we gotta get you looking ready to go out.
…oh no. Oh no, girl. This won’t do it all. Call me when you get a nice outfit, k? Bye!
(Later)
Microsoft: 😢 why don’t my friends answer my texts?
xia@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My office is currently forcing us on to Win 11.
Feels bad man.
Vraylle@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I’ve been using Windows since version 3.1. My rig isn’t cutting edge but still plenty good, but isn’t supported for an upgrade to 11. The AI spyware in 11 is just another reason not to switch to it even if I could. One 10 hits end of life, I’m putting Mint on it.
FortuneMisteller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It seems that permanent obsolescence is beginning to cost too much for the users. I hope they will all keep dragging their feet, but will be a tough fight because friendly providers of professional tools will keep releasing the new versions only for Windows 11, eventually they will force some to upgrade.
NutellaIs4Lvrs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My work laptop recently updated to Windows 11 and man, what a pile of garbage. If I could downgrade, I definitely would
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I honestly have zero problems with W11.
This being said I only run it on my gaming PC. My laptop runs Linux and I like that better. Honestly most people can switch their family rigs to Linux as well. I’ve tried it, it’s very good. I’ve got some elgato products, fuck with VR a little, and freetrack is not available yet which is the real deal-breaker for me.
I played most games on Linux no problem though and it was great.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So glad my job allows me to use Linux as my OS. I do IT, and everybody else in the company uses Windows.
Constant problems, brutal driver issues, OS crashes and lockups, software installation failures, hardware incompatibility problems, it’s awful.
Linux at work, Linux at home, such an improved experience.
I’ll still always love XP though, the last OS from Microsoft that felt like it had a soul.
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You mean consumers DON’T want ads in every aspect of their OS?
Resol@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hmm… I wonder why Linux has yet to rise.
I mean, we only have like 17 months until support for Windows 10 ends, it’s not like it’s that long.
foggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Execs: what can we do?!
Jim from marketing: We could throw ads into windows 11… That’ll get em flocking! People love ads!
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
More AI in the start menu!
foggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Execs: Holy shit. Give him a raise.
xavier666@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Ads will continue till the users fall in love with ads
lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
With that attitude, you’ll never work in marketing…
REPLACING the start menu with AI is the way to go!!!111
JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In my company they legitimately try to convince us that our users love ads.
I conducted user research on one of our websites, which showed complaints about the amount of ad placements we have been throwing at them. The execs responded by telling me “but we are actually HELPING them, we’re showing them products that will improve their productivity and processes”. Then, they came up with ideas for new ways we can place MORE ads on top of the ones already there. I’m sure our users are loving it!
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Where is the research part of “marketing research”? lol
Starkstruck@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good god that’s actually insane. Corpos have completely lost it.
AeroLemming@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
You should tell them that if users love ads so much, you should add a slider to let people control how many ads they get. Surely they’ll only increase the ad count, right?
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
On a related note, YouTube just gave me a pop-up advertising premium again, only this time the cancel button was “No, I like ads.”
I was gonna sit back and watch an hour of YT (with ads) but that pop-up rubbed me the wrong way and I didn’t watch anything so that I might skew the A/B test in favor of no dark patterns.