Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining

Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨lautan@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/

Statcounter reports that Windows 11 continues to lose its market share for the second month in a row. Windows 10, meanwhile, is gaining more users and is now back above the 70% mark.

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MakePorkGreatAgain@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
win11 is hot trash. seems like every other windows release is a skip. did Ballmer enshrine that or was it Gates?

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- psycho_driver@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Hmm well . . .
  
  Windows 95 - revolutionary UI changes for its time Windows 98 - hot garbage update Windows 98SE - fixed hot garbage and was ok Windows ME - hot garbage Windows XP - Windows 95 for grown ups Windows 7 - This is where it breaks down, since from what I hear 7 was actually pretty good (been a linux user since the ME days) - but if you’re counting Windows XP was Windows 5 so maybe they worked on 6 and just didn’t release it to break the curse Windows 8 - Everybody should have just moved to linux at this point Windows 10 - Who knows. You should have been using linux Windows 11 - If you’re not using linux now you shouldn’t have a computer
  
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  - Kr4u7@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah but u missed vista between xp and 7 so it works out
    
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  - Khanzarate@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You forgot Vista between XP and 7, and it wasn’t great, so the pattern holds up remarkably well.
    
    8 felt like a mobile OS, because it was.
    
    10 is OK. Not as good as 7, broke support for a bunch of things, really amped up the spyware feeling, but it works OK.
    
    Then 11.
    
    Probably still can have a computer though, it’s just not fully yours on 11.
    
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  - jqubed@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I feel like Windows 7 was peak Windows. I have an old machine I still turn on sometimes with 7 but it just seems so much better than 10/11.
    
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  - hollyberries@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You forgot Vista before 7. The list didn’t “break down” because Vista was the steaming pile of shit in between.
    
    8 sucked, 8.1 was good at least in my opinion. 10 was when I fucked off to Linux land permanently after using it on and off for 15 years and have never been happier.
    
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  - leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You forgot Vista between XP and 7 (probably because your brain blocked that traumatic experience).
    
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  - CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    As others pointed out, you’re missing Vista from your list. You’re also missing Windows 2000 for Workstations (between 98SE and ME) and 8.1 (between 8 and 10) both of which were pretty good releases.
    
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  - oo1@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    widdows 2000 was the pinnacle for me, beat XP until i wanted to go to 64 bit.
    
    Apart from having 64-bit, XP was a step back; even if I don't count the fucking dog thing.
    XP was a fair bit harder to de-bloat than win 2000 and they were hell-bent on forcing internet exploder on the world.
    
    XP was also at a time when Linux was becoming pretty easily usable and mac osx was impressive too - I remember using those imac coloured egg things at university in 2000. They were good apart from the mouse, and ran MS office pretty well.
    StarOffice was already better than MS-Word at dealing with .doc format across versions.
    and ancient version of Wordperfect were miles better for WP anyway ("reveal codes").
    
    windows XP was already down to gaming, adobe and CAD/other specialist apps, plus maybe MS Excel that just weren't as good or not available on linux.
    
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  - Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    DAE WINDOWS LITERALLY HITLER?!?!?
    
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LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Microsoft’s own incompetence has made Windows 11 a failure. The system requirements really made it a flop (possibly an intentional part of their plan to boost hardware sales but create a ton of e-waste as a result). I’m running Windows 11 as my PC meets the specs, it’s not a bad OS persay as it works for my day to day needs. However, if I didn’t game on PC I would probably switch completely to Linux. I stay on Windows as it is for the time being convenient to do so. If the next version of Windows has a dire increase in regards to specifications…I would likely go back to Ubuntu!

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- JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You should check protondb and see if your games of choice are supported, if you’ve not done so already.
  
  I completely jumped ship from Windows the better part of a year ago now and haven’t encountered a single game that didn’t run, at the least, reasonably well. And usually just fine OOB. Though ymmv of course.
  
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  - LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s a big YMMV experience with Linux, it just boiled down to mental load in comparison to Windows; Remembering all manner of commands and how to do certain things, along with that subset of hostile Linux users on help forums has made it an OS that I will use only in a dire situation. Linux is mostly for those who aren’t afraid to tinker with the OS and have time to figure out what the hell is wrong with their PC in case of a strange situation occurring. Ubuntu worked really well for me for years (except the times it didn’t, and I Googled my way to a solution each time). I did miss the ease of installing games and just having them work without extra steps (a common issue for most games). I also expanded my console games library so that the game variety is not lacking.
    
    Windows is admittedly easier to maintain, and I never have any encountered any major concerns since the Windows 7 days and once while on Windows 10. As far as compatibility goes, I know most of my Steam and GOG libraries are compatible with Linux, since I’ve a tendency to buy games which are supported on Linux. I made sure to give myself a decent library as a result in case Microsoft screwed the pooch enough that I needed to go back to a Linux distro.
    
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- SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And even on hardware that does theoretically support Windows 11, budget hardware will make the most basic of tasks take forever and lower midrange hardware will feel slow. On most Linux distros and ChromeOS, budget hardware will feel slow (mostly due to bloated websites), and lower midrange hardware will feel quite snappy for the most part.
  
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mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The only reason I still even use Windows is because of destiny 2. That’s pretty much the only game I play. If there was a good stable way of doing this on Linux I wouldn’t even use Windows at all.

In fact the only computer in my house that even has windows on it is my gaming rig.

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- Dicska@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same here but with several games that don’t run on Linux. For some degree, I even understand the problem, however painful it is: ANY multilayer’s anticheat is a pain in the ass if you have to develop them for two OSs at the same time. Counter Strike: Source was virtually unbannable on Linux for way too long, and I’m still not sure where CS2 is standing now (I stopped back in the CSGO times).
  
  I really don’t know how we could fix this, and no cutting off THAT many games I like is not an option (some of them even barely have a (good) alternative - think of Rocket League).
  
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- accideath@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same. Was running 10 for years, tried 11, hated it, went back to 10 until that got so bad I just installed Linux…
  
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normalexit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I would much rather pay for windows than become the product with ads, AI, and analytics.

Luckily this is coming at a time where I can run nearly everything on Linux that I previously needed Windows for (with the exception of a handful of games in my steam library)

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spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t know what to make of these sort of stats anymore. Just this morning I read something saying more people adopted Win 11 in the past month than use Linux.

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- Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Honestly I see a lot of these stats as circle jerking and just used as fodder to push a narrative.
  
  In my tech circle, most of us own all of them. Like 10% only Linux, 10% only windows, 10% only Mac, then 70% Mac/windows/Linux. So 🤷‍♀️
  
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PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
As someone who uses both daily I prefer the shell of Windows 11.

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- Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I prefer Windows 11 for its superior HDR support. No other OS even comes close to making HDR as easy as 11 does.
  
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  - GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Don’t know why you got down voted for that. HDR might be the only reason I use 11.
    
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sramder@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m really loving this journey for them 🥰

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letsgo@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d be happy to upgrade my laptop to Win11 but Win11 doesn’t like it. I’m not buying a new laptop just because of Win11’s dick moves. Win10 works perfectly well on it.

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thesporkeffect@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
FIS👏CAL👏CLIFF👏

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- FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  TBH part of the problem is that Microsoft’s revenue is only 12% from Windows, and I imagine its profit is lower because it involves a lot of maintaining like antivirus and hardware compatibility than some of their other products.
  
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  Basically, they can afford to fuck around with Windows OS and still expect to beat quarterly projections (which they did, again.)
  
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  - Soggytoast@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nice picture. Really wild to think that search advertisements (only Bing?) is only 2% under Xbox/gaming related, considering they own so many studios now. Also surprising that the gaming segment is so small
    
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  - thesporkeffect@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    😕
    
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lemmyingly@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Regardless of OS, I’d like to see actual user numbers with stats like this because a percentage oversimplifies the landscape.

Have people moved away from (uninstalled) Windows 11 or have people just bought computers with a different OS/older version of Windows on it. To me, these tell a different tale.

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pfr@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The solution will be for have developers to fully support Linux. I’d date to say they the majority of people still using windows are doing so because they’re gamers. While Linux has done what it can to support gaming, it’s now up to the game Devs to build games that run on Linux

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- vinyl@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Alright i hope you can figure out that solution because of the shit show that is the linux development community.
  
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- balder1991@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Except that if Windows 11 market share is bad, Linux on the desktop is even worse.
  
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thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
October 2025 has entered the chat

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- pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  LTSC has entered the chat
  
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  - xapr@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Has entered the Enterprise-only chat. :)
    
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  - thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Windows XP has been in the chat this whole time
    
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rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They pivoted from serving the user to serving themselves. I still don’t know what big improvements have been made to 11 other than another coat of paint, some LLM features searching for a problem and the odd feature like that Android subsystem that’s being cancelled. Modern Standby is still being pushed which would rule out most new Windows laptops for me.

It’s not like I want something revolutionary, just a number of quality of life things would be nice without feeling like I’m fighting the machine. If I could search images on my machine with OCR like iOS Photos I would be over the moon but noone’s seemed to want to copy that.

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FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If anybody is planning to dig their own mass grave then I recommend Windows 10 LTSC Enterprise. Notice it comes in two flavors: vanilla or IoT, I don’t think IoT should be used unless you actually need it because it can be less secure.

That aside, Linux is cool. Maybe try out some of the new distros before committing to yar-har-dery.

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- carlytm@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  IoT is supported until January 2032, while standard LTSC is only supported until January 2027, which only, like, an extra year or so of support over regular Windows 10. I’ve never heard anything about IoT being less secure but I’m far from being an expert lol.
  
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  - FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s fair, but in general I don’t think windows is much of a long term option. The main reason IoT has more vulnerabilities is that it has more endpoints, so if you properly secure everything with credential you should in theory have no problems, but it’s statistically much much more vulnerable.
    
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Moody@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Love how this is posted when I literally just got done trashing my os(win11) earlier this week and decided to move back to windows 10. Now I run windows 10 stripped of garbage using ntlite. It’s been so much better.

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Grofit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It saddens me as Windows 8 was absolutely awful and the first step towards the mess we have now. Windows 10 was better but still inconsistent in loads of areas and still felt faffy to use.

If you ignore the ads and bloat ware in Windows 11 it’s not that much better than 10, the UI feels more consistent but still more painful to use than Windows 7.

We have no “good” versions of Windows to use, they are all bad and getting worse, I would love to jump to Linux but that has its own raft of inconsistencies and issues, just different ones.

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Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I recently jumped ship to a new gig that MS’s account reps have burrowed deeply into.

It’s been about 7 years since I’ve been in a “Microsoft for all the things” shop. Now that I’m back in Microsoft land after 7 years, my first thought is “what the fuck happened in Redmond?”

The software is buggy, people are restarting left and right, and everything is missing 25% of their competitor’s features. I feel like I’m visiting a childhood home that is now occupied by hoarders.

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guyrocket@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think a primary use for windoze machines is gaming. I hear that the steam deck has pushed a lot of games into playable states on Linux.

So I hope this makes it much easier to switch from windoze to Linux.

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- Drummyralf@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I moved to Linux Mint about 4 weeks ago (with optional dual boot Windows). All the games I tried have worked so far, even when not officially supported (turn on Proton compatibility in steam settings). If your multiplayer games use anticheat, Linux is a no go.
  
  If you happen to have 2 harddrives, try installing Linux on one to see if it’s something for you.
  
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- henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m in this camp. I use my PC mainly for gaming, and it runs Linux. All the games I care about are supported just fine with Steam and Proton. Not every game is compatible, but it works for the ones I want to play.
  
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- xapr@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People are saying in another part of this thread that many games with anticheat actually work on Linux.
  
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FrostKing@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Recently built a new PC and clean installed Nobara Linux. It’s so much… Better. In every way, except for compatibility—and even that’s not close to as bad as people say it is. Granted, I had used mostly open source programs before (still quite disappointed that Playnite isn’t available on Linux, I do miss that) but I’m using mostly the same software. The pre-done compatibility fixes etc. that the Nobara team has done (huge props to them!) has made it far easier than i even expected. It really is getting to the point that I want a major laptop/PC manufacturer to ship with a polished, user friendly Linux distro, and get the ball rolling.

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- btaf45@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  It really is getting to the point that I want a major laptop/PC manufacturer to ship with a polished, user friendly Linux distro, and get the ball rolling.
  
  Chromebooks are sort of like that. They are very user friendly and allow you to access Linux shells. The only problem is that you can’t get root access without developer mode.
  
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  - FrostKing@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I forgot about Chromebooks—granted, I don’t really think of those as what I mean. I don’t generally think that “user friendly = restricted and less control”, though I’m sure others would disagree. I don’t think of Chromebooks as real mainstream Linux.
    
    Oh, and the steam deck has done this I believe, though I don’t own one so I don’t know how restricted that is either.
    
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sfunk1x@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Thankfully I only have to use Windows to play video games. It would be terrible having to use it everyday for work.

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- pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It really isn’t that bad if you run a debloat script.
  
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  - TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Man windows sounds complicated. All these scripts and programs you’ve gotta hunt the web for, opening the command prompt or doing a load of registry edits to not see ads everywhere.
    
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- nul9o9@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I am dreading the upcoming Windows 11 upgrades at my work. They made everything so fucking hard for me to get into to troubleshoot issues for our users.
  
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not_that_guy05@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Bring back windows XP!

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- I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Such colourful days :)
  
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  - kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I was team classic theme for a long time. I forget the tool I used but the ability to customize the look of XP was awesome as I had a nice toolbar and start menu theme.
    
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Frog-Brawler@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I kinda feel like Microsoft already knows about the recognized pattern of every other OS release being considered a success. That being said, I’d bet $1 they’re already spending more in the development of Windows 12 v 11.

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TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I run Windows 11 on my workstation rig out of necessity and it’s serviceable as an OS… as long as Microsoft keeps their greedy fingers out of it - which they do not. W11’s lack of uptake is entirely their fault and they have done nothing to grow any good will amongst their customers and, in fact, constantly treat them like money pinatas to beat repeatedly.

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justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Good that my windows 7 system still runs when I need it once a year ^^

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- pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ah yes, the good ol tax season.
  
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Rose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Since XP, I always upgraded to the next version whenever it came out. The insane hardware requirements of Windows 11 make it the only exception.

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TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I use W11, I have no problems with it, sure the settings menus are shit but I just open the control panel directly and its the same since W95. The rest I don’t care that much, for work I use Kali anyway.

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filister@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have Windows 11 for work and I find the new package manager winget as a Godsend. I am doing all program installations and upgrading over it and it works pretty well. Also the terminal is a very nice addition.

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- Jaroneko@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They are. Both are also available for Windows 10.
  
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  - filister@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I tried to install winget on Windows 10 but that was not possible if I am not wrong. I think the terminal is available but not winget
    
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- lemmytellyousomething@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Incredible how it took them 30 years to implement that…
  
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Kethal@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The only thing I value in Windows 10 or 11 over 7 is better multi monitor support, and even that is not a giant issue. It’s faster, uses less resources, is better organized, and looks nicer, especially nicer than 10 that looks like a lazy highschool kid spent all of a day on it.

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- Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The things I value 10 and 11 over 7 is the immensely better driver support, more consistent updates, quicker access to important software (right click start), UI that doesn’t look like it belongs in 2010, build-in amazing antivirus that is better than the majority of free and paid antiviruses, compatibility with new software, customizable start menu, actually usable troubleshooters, …
  
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  - SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Agreed but much of this applies to 10 only.
    
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