This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:
The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
ptz@dubvee.org 7 months ago
Lemmy world:
Users, not even on Lemmy World:
Surprised Pikachu
I’m not in the loop, but I would imagine there was a letter or email to them or their service provider that prompted that.
Remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don’t have legal departments.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“The cloud is just other people’s computers” - it’s an inconvenient fact that those computers are real, physical objects subject to oversight from real, physical law enforcement.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 7 months ago
“but it’s not my computer, so you should be willing to host any of it”
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 7 months ago
One lawsuit can shut them down.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Never understood people who don’t get this.
As a person who is part of open source communities, on various chairs and donates, the money is extremely slim, and the people involved just want to build cool things.
We are busy trying to keep the lights on for hundreds of thousands of people can enjoy this service. And if a small group of troublemakers force us to get a strong legal threat, we aren’t risking the the project’s survival.
Especially when we don’t know the troublemakers, don’t have any connection with them, they don’t contribute to the platform, etc.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 7 months ago
Yeah like.
This isn’t reddit dot com opaquely purging your favourite subreddit for some unspecific corporate reason.
The admins stated quite clearly why they are blocking it (“we don’t want trouble, and our TOS lay out that we’ll defed from illegal shit”), and it is their instance. And unlike Reddit – The community is still THERE in its home server. It has not been burninated. – You can just. Make an account elsewhere. It’s free. It takes less than 5 minutes. You can even KEEP your LW account for other communities.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Did the admins state anything? I thought the issue here is that LW previously did something without an announcement, undid it and promised to communicate before doing something like that again, and now people are saying they haven’t communicated this time.
That’s the real issue, not the fact that it was defederated.
antidote101@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Are you telling me Reddit is free to have a Piracy sub, but Lemmy isn’t?
What’s the point of Lemmy if Reddit is more free?
ptz@dubvee.org 7 months ago
Reddit is a company that has a legal department (e.g. has lawyers on retainer). Lemmy World is run by volunteers and donations.
That’s such a broad question that I’m not even going to bother. Instead, I’ll answer with the same question as when “states’ rights” are brought up:
“Free to do what, exactly?”
imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
You seem to be confusing Lemmy.world with Lemmy as a whole. Lemmy is free to be used for anything by anyone.
Lemmy.world is the largest and most mainstream Lemmy server, so they need to be especially careful about legal issues. If lemmy.world gets taken down due to mirroring content hosted on lemmy.dbzer0.com, the whole network would partially collapse because of how many users and communities are hosted on lemmy.world.
It’s not even close to worth the risk. This is how federation is supposed to work.
bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 7 months ago
the dbzer0 piracy community has been around much longer than most of the users here. they spun up when they saw the writing on the wall, and they permit things that would not be permitted on reddit. and, it seems, they permit things that are not permitted on .world.
but the instance is still there. the community is still there.
and you can leave .world, join an instance that hasn't banned !piracy, and keep right on going.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Reddit’s piracy community doesn’t discuss the practical stuff like dbzero’s does
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Reddit has corporate lawyers. Lemmy does not.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You know the meme where Bender goes, “I’ll do my own thing, with Blackjack and hookers!”
Lemme provides that. Servers are managed by different groups and you can absolutely make your own, with blackjacks and hookers.
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 7 months ago
This is precisely it.
One other point is, some instance want to focus on certain things, and take the risks, where others don’t.
Our community (feddit.uk)[feddit.uk] doesn’t do nsfw, because it’s not worth the headache for what our main focus is.
The guy running lemmynsfw on the other hand, is enthusiastically embracing the challenges involved, and more power to him!
And in the end, it works. We handle Mr. Brains Pork Balls, they can handle…other balls.
ptz@dubvee.org 7 months ago
Same for my instance and for the same reasons. We have nothing against that, just, like you said, not our focus nor worth the headache.
🤣
SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 months ago
What I’m curious about is, why haven’t lemmy.dbzer0.com received those takedown messages? Wouldn’t it make more sense to go to the source instead of just another instance hosting the content but not actually “responsible” for the content, so to speak? Or maybe they have?
Also curious why lemmy.world has still not made a statement about this or even acknowledged it (at least I haven’t seen any acknowledgement so far). Removing the communities from their instance is of course totally within their power and right, but this isn’t exactly the most transparent way to do it.
ptz@dubvee.org 7 months ago
So many unknowns. Until LW makes an announcement, it’s all speculation. I haven’t seen any mention from db0 about takedowns, etc, but those may just be background noise for him. lol
ben_dover@lemmy.world 7 months ago
regarding your first question - they usually go after the big fish first. dbzer0 might still be flying under the radar, and also might be ina different jurisdiction where the specific plaintiff can’t go after them, or where it’s harder for them to do so
satxdude@lemm.ee 7 months ago
The thing that gets me is the quote in the OP from last time this happened. It has been +12 hours of silence when you said last time you’d have this discussion BEFORE. Maybe it’s for legal reasons but you’d think they’d have said well, something.
sramder@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The point was transparency, don’t try to distract from the issue.