Submitted 6 months ago by tiita@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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youtube getting more aggressive… i’ve got firefox and ublock but this shit is still coming up
My family watches several Youtube channels on the main HTPC. It had Chrome for them to use, as that is what the kids and my wife are familiar with from school/ work. Then this BS started. I use Firefox on my personal PC and have yet to have a problem.
So I dumped Chrome off of the HTPC.
It would be amusing if Chrome lost a ton of market share to Firefox and other browsers.
It won’t. We are an extreme minority who really have the know-how to get around this. The majority will just give in and subscribe.
This is what happened with Netflix. Everyone thought that Netflix would lose subscribers with the crackdown on password sharing. On the contrary, they gained subscribers and is bringing even more revenue: ign.com/…/netflix-adds-88-million-subscribers-ami….
In other words, the general population likes to be used by companies and really don’t give a shit as long as they can watch videos.
Blocking ads on YouTube is kind of like eating meat. It can’t quite be morally justified, but I’m still quilty of it.
Currectly I’m updating uBlock 3 times a day to keep up with YouTube’s detection algorithms, so I’m obviously willing to go to great lenghts to block ads, but after it get difficult enough, I’ll most likely just give in and get a subscribtion. It’s by far the most valuable streaming service for me, yet I’ve used it (ad)free for more than 15 years. If now is the time they say enough, then fine. It was good while it lasted.
If competiton comes along that’s even one tenth as good, I’m perfectly willing to jump ship, though.
We really are all sissies now aren’t we?
this is an issue. whole family can use netflix etc with one payment. if you have separate youtube accounts (everyone has their own subs etc) you all need individual youtube premium accounts so you can watch ad free. it’s stupid (I’m ignoring why yt premium isn’t a good idea anyway unless you use yt music)
I use Chrome on my work laptop and Firefox on my personal computron and I either get the pop-up on both devices or not at all.
Freetube has been a great alternative for me. While it still doesn’t have tabs, I just figured out earlier today that middle clicking opens the link or video to a new window.
I’ve been using free tube for about a month now and been really happy.
My only downsides are that I use it on multiple comps, and like to watch YouTube on my tv as well, and by freetubes very nature, those don’t sync subs/history etc. which is expected of course.
The other bummer for me personally is I did really like the YouTube algorithms suggestions for me, so it’s a little harder for me to find new creators now.
But all in all, minor issues for some completely free software that works well and does what it says it’ll do! Would absolutely suggest people at least give it a try!
Sharing this: don’t know why this works, but my dad found refreshing the cache in UBlock makes this thing finally shut the fuck up.
It updates Ublocks filters. They are updating those as YouTube changes things. Ublock has worked flawlessly on firefox YouTube for me so far. I have not even seen the popup once.
Plus you should add Anti-adblock killer by Reek, a combination of those 2 makes the entire problem go away… for now. I would also whitelist youtube in other addons like disconnect as those can also trigger youtubes immune response.
Anti-adblock killer by Reek
That thing is unmaintained and have not been updated for over 7 years. It will do absolutely nothing.
If you have issues with YouTube: old.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/about/sticky?num=2
I have to add some things though:
Honestly, if YouTube offered a $5 adfree video plan I’d pay for it. It’s not worth $14/month in my opinion
I think these companies are starting to run into the brick wall caused by disgusting wealth inequality and the subsequent inability to spend as frivolously as needed for a healthy economy.
Also just coming to the realization that advertising on the internet has always been done atrociously (not that RL advertising is any better but at least follows some kind of structure and isn’t thrown in your face repeatedly) and that a large swath of people do not want to deal with it or interact with it.
Rather than fix something that is clearly broken, they’d rather double down, throw money at it and make it more of a problem than admit they need to reign it in and put some common sense and sanity checks on how advertising should take place online.
Youtube would profit off of $2 a month the fact that they need to charge 14 is just greed
Fuck that shit. They’d just increase it gradually until it hit 80$. They also don’t care about the user experience playing shit ads that are some times horrific (like the recent Israel propaganda ads with war, or 1 hr + ads, or salacious ads). They also inject the ads at the worst possible spots. They should give creators that control but fuck them.
Don’t give Youtube or Google that option. This is what they want. They are ruining the internet further.
That’s way too expensive. I guess regional pricing did me good because here it costs an equivalent of $3.75 (RM 17.90). That much for Premium + Music ain’t no way I’m not taking it.
Spotify costs $3.35 (RM 15.90).
Not to mention, ads make so much less per user. And if you started to click on most of them they will demonetize the content creator for it.
So those 14 bucks / per user is like the user was thousand people watching hundreds od videos roughly speaking.
I cancelled Spotify and use YouTube for music and videos now so it’s worth $14 to me. Just loaded all my Spotify playlists into YTM. Interface isn’t as good as other music apps, but it has a pretty insane catalog, especially for stuff like remixes and bootlegs
Fuck You, Tube
Fuk gogol
Ublock Origin Settings Clear Cache Update Refresh Youtube
This arms race sucks.
It’s a matter of who gets tired quicker at this point, YouTube, ublock maintainers, or users. We’re on the losing side, and alternative front ends sound like the “we’re cornered” solution. I imagine Google won’t take long to break them as well.
the engineers won’t get tired, they are paid not to. Not to say that people shouldn’t try to evade it. This is super predatory but understandable cause of its income model.
how much money do you think yt is losing to ubo, and how much does it cost for yt to keep updating the code? financially it may not be worth it.
A reminder that if this doesn’t work, they’ll bake ads into the player like Hulu and Twitch. Can’t block those, at least in a way that gets you back to the content seemlessly.
Sponsorblock
That’s for ads baked into the video, not the players.
then we’ll just do a sponsorblock type solution which skips over the ad
Only solutions I’ve seen stop the ad from appearing but not the 2 minute break it forces on you.
You can still cheese by both of those methods without issue.
Literally they’ll do it anyways, imput or not.
Hulu? I use ublock on hulu and have no issues.
I’m glad, uBlock Origin blocks all these adblock blockers.
It doesn’t. This is being rolled out to all users. Eventually you will have to clear cash every time you want to watch YouTube with Ublock Origin.
Good point! Clearing cache on exit is my firefox’ default setting. Do recommend!
I knew Google would get around to killing YouTube sooner or later: Looks like the slow death has begun.
there's enough people mindlessly consuming content off the site via mobile or tv, or are clueless about adblockers to begin with, youtube will continue to exist and be profitable even if every adblocking user never visited the site again.
Until alternatives take off because the user experience becomes increasingly shitty.
glances at X
YouTube ensuring it gets ad revenue is the exact opposite of killing it.
People who use ad blockers aren’t the type of people to click the ads. We’re doing a Google a service by improving conversion statistics.
It's always amusing to see people claiming to be these masters of business strategies pushing such excellent advice as "pay money to provide a service to people who supply no revenue".
Don't get me wrong; there absolute is a point where you can be so overly burdensome that you're going to push legitimate customers away and ultimately hurt yourself more than you help, and YouTube absolutely does do some stupid things, but business is so much more complicated than people like to think.
I mean yeah, suck a fat dick, I’m with you. But IMO paying for YouTube isn’t wrong. If not for ads, they gain nothing from me. I used to lock them in. 3rd party instance, no google accounts, separate browser clients, ad block, sponsor block… everything a decently smart systems engineer could think of.
That’s wrong. I pay for services like nebula, why not pay for YouTube?
I currently pay about 2 bucks a month for YouTube Premium and YouTube Music. I legally share it with people I’m close with. 30 bucks a year for unlimited ad free (other than sponsorships) is very affordable, even if I didn’t share it with family and friends.
I still don’t share personal information with them. They probably think I live in Argentina or something because my account is not defined to a region and my IPA reads as residential Argentina most of the time.
YouTube started as a free to use service (in terms of monetary cost). There’s no way they could ever go from that to pay to use. Content creators depend on YouTube being accessible without monetary compensation through the viewer’s wallet. At the same time, upkeep for on demand 4k video up- and downstreaming is not easy, not simple, not cheap. Not cheap at all. Go ask Nebula and the likes.
Ads are ineviteable. You want goods and services, you pay for them. If you don’t feel like spending money, you will pay by watching ads and/or by giviny away personal information that in turn can be used to create monetary value in some form or another (better advert targeting, better market analysis, etc.).
Strategically avoiding any form of payment for goods and services is frankly immoral. It’s exactly the same as stealing. It morally is stealing. If you go to the store and steal a product, you’re doing the same. You cost said store money without reimbursing them by paying for it. Blocking ads and especially sponsorships is immoral and you have every right to do it as it stands. Just don’t complain about companies disliking your behaviour.
You sound like a rational and friendly dude. Yet morality in regards to google and its cost of operating? Remember when their slogan literally was “Don’t be evil!”? And the moment they took it down? They’re mainly responsible for the whole enshittification of the Web.
Even if you block everything from them and appear data-worthless, you will still have to solve fucking recapthchas (or work for free for them) or simple get denied access to so so many sites.
And even if you avoid those too, billions won’t. I call this idiocracy-Flatrate. They pay, i don’t. In the end google will still live forever and dominate the net.
Wouldn’t betray a small-time indie of their donation or anything. But the literal satan of the net? Fork them. In the eye.
So you don’t think the content creators you are watching should make money? How else are they to support themselves?
I’m paying for nebula
Anyone who pays for premium is a fucking loser.
What a subtle take. Anyone who doesn’t conform to my view points must be inferior.
Everyone actively working at the google enshittification should honestly consider jumping off a fucking bridge. You’re an awful person and you make the world a worse place to be in.
Yes, inciting people to kill themselves, sure. You do know there are many corporations (cue the oil and gas industry) which are monstrously worse than Google.
Anyone who really thinks that Google right now is the main thing making the world a worse place sure lives in a bubble. But then, these YouTube bad posts I have been seeing since almost over a month ever since this thing started rolling out. I get it, it is bad but would you stop harping over it like it is the end of the world? There is more to tech than just posting Google bad every alternate day.
Amen.
You can put up with that... Or you could just switch to a Piped instance and be done with it all.
Piped is great, the content goes through a proxy so there’s no interaction with YouTube servers and your account and subscriptions are also isolated.
So wait how does that work? Are you still using your YouTube account on Piped or is it something else?
I see nothing wrong with Google wanting to make money on YouTube, I actually own YouTube Premium Myself.
But they should really fix YouTube experience, if you don’t use subscriptions box, your main page will be filled with click-baity low-effort videos and that really sucks. There are also other issues as well.
You WILL give us your attention and you will like it! -advertisers
What could come of people clicking on the “Report issue” option and sending back tons of false reports claiming that they have gotten the pop-up message despite not using an ad-blocker?
report it as an issue
It’s revanced / gray Jay time
This pop up, did more to curb my youtube addiction than any other app.
I just cleared the YT sites’ cookies, relogged in and it disappeared. I use AdNauseam and uBlock Origin and still got this.
If they weren’t so intrusive with the garbage ads (I hate publicity, over 95% of it is condescending and/or lies), I wouldn’t mind seeing an ad in the beggining, or even also an additional in the middle of a long video, but getting two unskippable ads in the beggining and one every 5 mins or less is abusive. So fuck you Google.
While uBlock Origin does the trick and has for a every long time, I just installed FreeTube and I am quite happy with it. It is also much better at keeping track at what I have watched, and I can even mark videos as watch (which I cannot over at YouTube).
Vimeo wringing their hands thinking this is their chance.
Update ublock filters.
The EU stepped in, they have to remove it in the EU. Not sure about America though…
Start reporting it as an issue. I wonder what’ll happen if enough people abuse the “report an issue” system.
Currently with Firefox uBlock and am getting no pop-ups for three days now (this after pop-up nags with a five-second delay).
Not saying you are not having trouble, but I think this is a fight YouTube is going to lose.
Please resume watching…Please resume watching…Please resume watching…
Haven’t seen them yet. Old uBlock, Russia, Linux. They haven’t put ads in videos since 03.2022 for obvious reasons, so there’s an unique rule created for us.
Maybe it’s something of use for you all, to curcumvent it. Not via VPN tho, probs, as our local feed is a digital cancer. Opening it from a new PC is like nothing else.
None of my devices (all firefox with unblock) have had any issues with ads on youtube...yet.
adguard desktop loaded with anti-adblock killer!
Sorry I have tourette’s syndrome. I can’t help but scream the names of random software sometimes.
stoy@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Get Firefox, install uBlock Origin, clear the filter cache, and reload the filter cache.
Worked for me and my dad
It is time to stop the Chrome plauge.
Goodie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s currently working, but every few days youtube will tweak something, and sometime later (minutes to hours) there will be an ublock update for it.
Sometimes you have to wait a little longer, but this is the arms race.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I find it funny that a company as big as Google is loosing to little ol uBlock
charonn0@startrek.website 6 months ago
Some arms races aren’t what they appear to be: blog.codinghorror.com/revisiting-the-black-sunday…
tiita@lemmy.world 6 months ago
yep… i did. they keep coming up, somehow. very annoying.
tyrant@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I switched over to piped.video and no ads. Just moved my subscriptions over. Not sure how long it will last but so far it’s good
Denvil@lemmy.one 6 months ago
If that doesn’t work, get the youtube enhancer extension. Turn off it’s buikt in adblock. You’ll have a bunch of buttons on the bottom of the video, one of which is remove ads, which becomes skip ads when an ad plays. You will still get ads, but you’ll be able to instantly skip them all without setting off their adblock detector. (Ps, to get the bar in fullscreen, set it to bottom of window)
theKalash@feddit.ch 6 months ago
Yet, I’ve not gotten any of these messages on Chrome + uBlock Origin sofar.
HuddaBudda@kbin.social 6 months ago
They are probably hitting people in waves, in an effort to make sure this isn't a surge, then a massive protest like the Unity situation.
But once google realizes they'll have to burn serious money and make their product worse on the global stage to fix the problem, they'll quit just like Microsoft, AOL, and Netscape.
But I think this campaign is just there to loosen the people who installed an ad-block, but have no idea what an ad-block is.
Which will be different from the people who know about "alternate methods," and will easily slip the google net unnoticed.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That didn’t work for me. Seems theyre still detecting it.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Updating uBlock has a bigger Impact than choice of browser. You could be situated in one of the data clusters that implement new detection methods first, so the filter lists are not updated yet when they hit you with a changed detection script.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I feel like all of these suggestions will have short lifespans.
There is no good replacement for YouTube currently, but ultimately a long term solution means replacing the service.
A long(er) term solution than little hacks with FF and ublock are things like piped.