Submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
YouTube TV, which costs $73 a month, agrees to end “$600 less than cable” ads::Google to “modify or cease” ads after industry review board rejects appeal.
Holy crap. I had no idea it was $73 a month. I’m a little shocked that is a viable price point.
Is cable cheaper? I haven’t used it for 15+ years so I have no comparison.
My Comcast is $78 for their highest tier channel lineup and DVR with no premium channels.
If you can be bothered to call Comcast/Verizon once a year or so? Yeah. They love to bundle plans together and you can get a shockingly good deal.
Which actually makes it annoying if you actively do not want a tv subscription.
I currently pay $130 for cable and internet with Verizon (was $115 but they raised it recently). Cable package is comparable to youtube tv and the internet is 90 up/down.
But I’m moving and if I want useful upload speeds from Comcast at the new place I need a package that’s something like $200+ per month. I’m going with tmobile internet and YouTube tv since it’s about $70 cheaper.
Personally, I’d love to just diitch cable. I only want it for hockey and I can get that with ESPN+ and a VPN. But my wife watches it quite bit. She’s got a dozen shows on different cable channels she watches religiously.
I went to YouTubeTV earlier this year and it’s definitely cheaper than RCN, which recently bought WOW. I have Comcast as a choice but they aren’t better. The base rate for RCN that they advertise is $59, but they add four different fees: Sports Surcharge, Broadcast TV surcharge, franchise fees, and Entertainment Networks Surcharge. After those add-ons it was $115, so I’m saving money because the YouTubeTV price is actually advertised properly, without these ridiculous add one.
I honestly have no idea how much cable costs where I live and it’s not for a lack of trying. I’ve tried to look but it’s literally not possible to look on mediacom’s website to get cable prices unless I add a cable package to my internet plan. My only other option is to call them, and their entire support is outsourced and it’s a toss up on whether I get someone who speaks English or not. One time the call center person spoke so little English that they had to transfer me to someone else.
Holy shiiii. I had no idea they got that brave to raise those costs to that level.
“It’s just the price of your daily coffee”
Bitch I self brew my own value pack coffee because I’m poor.
Bruh, you’re not being poor, just responsible. Dafuq.
Is this another one of those Silicon Valley syndrome where paying for an overpriced latte/chai/kombucha every day is the expected routine?
Just use normal coffee filters, they are better for your health and are cheap af. The paper filters block some carcinogens that the metal ones do not. Your call, cheers
I too drink coffee laced with platinum and gold, sprinkled with diamonds
Oh wow that sounds like an interesting engineering problem to make a reusable coffee filter… I am quite broke myself and my ears always perk up at ways to reduce my already small caffeine budget.
How does it taste out of the metal mesh filter? I like to make mine in an Aeropress and heat it up in an old kettle that’s been in my family for ages.
I have an expensive super automatic that I just pour beans in. No filters or disposable parts, just gotta pull the brew group out to rinse every week and clean it out occasionally.
I paid $700 for the machine but have probably saved more than that between the k cups I was using before and going out for coffee way less (it’s not as good but it hits that espresso craving well enough for me), not to mention way more environmentally friendly while still retaining push button coffee. I now spend about $10/month on coffee.
I canceled that shit and got a homerun for football. If you’re going to just make me stream cable for the price of cable, you can go suck on a tailpipe if you think I’m paying over 850 a year. Fuck google. Fuck cable companies. And fuck these studios for thinking they can keep doing this to people.
Still doesn’t give you the espn games, and an ESPN+ subscription won’t even give you all the games they broadcast.
What is homerun for football?
Internet companies will only be cheap until they put cable out of business, then we will see cable company costs for Internet services.
$73 A MONTH?
Yeah. NOTHING on TV is worth $73 a month.
Hey, if suckers will pay it that’s what they’ll charge.
You know, that’d a damn good point. We can judge the price all we want, but Alphabet has all the tools and analytics to say "lmfao guys watch, we can double the cost and we lose one out of 230 subscribers "
I still cannot understand how anyone decides to have 30% of their programming to be ads AND decide to pay for it.
Boiling frog effect mostly.
Sports.
I don’t think the sports management people are hurting for cash in any way but there has to be some tipping point eventually when the value of the exclusive broadcast contracts is overshadowed by the losses from people just straight up not watching anymore.
I live in Turkey but if I try to watch a legal MLB stream I am told I’m in a blackout region. What local advertiser or broadcaster is being harmed by me watching baseball from fucking Turkey!? They would rather change the literal rules of the game to drive engagement rather than just allow more people to watch in a convenient way…
Literally the only reason we have TV of any type. We dumped YTTV for Hulu, but once they say we can’t share the package with my father in law well dump that too and I’ll go back to streams.
Cancelled Amazon for exactly this.
So what is the next step for Google? Raising YT TV to $100/month? $200/month? Raising Youtube Premium to $30/month? Google one to $200/month? Laying off employees?
I mean they gotta keep hitting that 5% growth every year, right? When does it stop? When there’s nobody else at the company? When people can’t afford anything anymore and go bankrupt?
When are companies gonna understand that growth for the sake of growth every year is just not feasable?
It’s not a matter of understanding the failure is systemic.
Shareholders only buy shares for the expected growth, not so much for the dividends. Dividends are literally pennies on the hundred dollar costs. Single digits percent annually.
At some point prices have to adjust to material reality and someone will lose money. Sometimes expected growth is not possible.
Well maybe retail but hedge funds love shorting shit to the ground. Having unrealistic growth goals sets a company up to eventually reach a point where they can switch the narrative to decline in a company because of missed unrealistic growth goals, that’s where the big boys make a lot of fucking money as once a stock gets delisted they can warehouse and never settle failed to deliver trades, or naked shorts that inflated the number of shares available to exponentially grow there position on the downside. It’s a game of siphoning money away from the public.
When are companies gonna understand that growth for the sake of growth every year is just not feasable?
Depends when we actually enforce and support the SECs market reforms instead of defending them. As it sits once, that 5% target is no longer consistently hitable the naked shorts will start to come from maket makers and hedge funds allowing wall street to make just as much money in the growth stage as in the desth stage of a company plus when Google eventually gets to that point they can buy up all the IP during the bankruptcy process for their next unlimited growth candidate to usurp. Shit is absolutely fucked, plus congress has basically called out in their deals to keep the government running that the SEC can’t use any of the budget to further market reform, so your gonna need to vote in candidates who support Markey reform, and proper reform at that sense baring indivual household shareholders from being able to participate and get accurate disclosures on off market trade data, equity swap data, or just widening the gap between wall street and retail investors access to data is also considered market reform by those corrupt individuals supporting wall streets mess.
You can stream pretty much anything for free here: fmoviesz.to
Just make sure you have uBlock Origin installed.
If you have any issues, try searching ‘free streaming sites reddit’ and go from there.
Your wallets will thank me later.
I’ve never heard of this site before and you can bet I’ll be adding it to my bookmarks uhh I mean block list right away!
The downside is that sometimes you get really bad quality, like some guy filming it in a cinema with terrible focus, contrast and sound and people walking in and out…
Here’s a list of more :)
Well that looks useful. I used athd for a while but they became unusable.
Thanks!
The fuck? What’s the point of it can’t be cheaper.
Well, you need a router or access points instead of a cable box. And you can stream it over Wi-Fi. Yeah, you can stream it over Wi-Fi. That’s why this is vaguely better than regular cable TV.
So, it costs more because it requires less dedicated hardware?
Of course, how did I not see it before
Back a few years ago when I had Verizon, I was able to stream via the Verizon app. But then sling came along and gave me the option to choose channels that I wanted AND have DVR for only $50. If it starts creeping back up then I will probably just go back to cable. I already have internet through them anyway 🤷🏿♂️
I went back to cable and got an old cablecard and networked tuner. No rental fees for a box, and I can stream it wherever without checking in or dealing with location restrictions, and my DVR is still mine even if I leave and subscribe to something else.
One part of it is retransmission fees. Cable channels charge an arm and a leg because they can and broadcast OTA TV networks charge a fee as well even though their signal is free with an antenna. It just gets more and more expensive as a result as long as there are customers who can tolerate it.
I used YouTube TV early on when it was a legit alternative to cable. It costs just as much so there is no benefit. I cancelled when the prices were raised to 45 a month. They can fuck straight off at 73 a month
I feel sorry for those that don’t use newsgroups and automation.
Not just YouTube TV. I was thinking about switching from the Spotify family plan to the YouTube family plan, but the Spotify family plan is $16.99/mo and the YouTube family plan is $22.99/mo. That does include YouTube with no ads, but it’s still too expensive for me. It’s just not worth an additional $6. Especially not while my adblocker still works. It does mean I can’t cast ad-free YouTube to my Chromecast because Google would not allow that, but I can live with it.
Pretty sure your description sold YouTube family plan to a lot of people. I was ready to hate on it but after you describe that’s a pretty sweet deal.
Ok, if it’s a good deal to you and them, fine. $6 extra for no ads is not worth it to me.
Install smarttube on your TV connected smart device. I installed it on the Chromecast 4k one with the remote and its a godsend. Even with your own official YouTube history for easy switching
I have the original Chromecast. No apps to install. You just cast to it.
People pay for watching YouTube ? Lol why don’t they use Firefox and ublock origin ? Or smartnext tube for android TV?, I will never understand human beings.
It’s YouTube TV, which is a streaming version of cable. It’s live channels.
Ah sorry. I don’t watch too many shows and sports, most news channels are already live on YouTube.
People pay for watching YouTube ? Lol why don’t they use Firefox and ublock origin ? Or smartnext tube for android TV?, I will never understand human beings.
Work arounds always exist. But they require varying degrees of technical knowledge to use them. A lot of people simply don’t have that skill set. Plus, when it comes to piracy or even “grey area” solutions, some people just don’t want to “risk” it. Just because a solution exists doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be pissed off that the legal means to enjoy content they want are being priced out of their reach.
Having said all of that, this article isn’t about YouTube or even YouTube Premium. It’s about YouTube TV, which is their cable alternative. Firefox, uBlock Origin, and SmartTubeNext aren’t even relevant to the discussion.
Can you elaborate on what options exist? I’m technically inclined and have yet to find a better cheaper alternative to YouTube TV which my not so inclined wife can use to watch news channel on our Apple TV.
Lots of people are proud to pay for things they could be getting for free.
We call them useful idiots where I’m from.
A fool and their money… you know the saying.
Now that YouTube has started to block adblockers, pretty soon they’ll try to block SmartTube and NewPipe as well.
I don’t get it I thought I pay like $5 a month for my 1/6 portion of YouTube premium family account which included YouTube TV (which i never use)
Its not normal for youtube premium to include YouTube TV.
This is cable TV like espn and stuff
Shhhh! Don’t TELL them that.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Google has agreed to stop advertising YouTube TV as “$600 less than cable” after losing an appeal of a previous ruling that went against the company.
The National Advertising Review Board (NARB) announced today that it rejected Google’s appeal and recommended that the company discontinue the YouTube TV claim.
The National Advertising Division (NAD) previously ruled in Charter’s favor but Google appealed the decision to the NARB in August.
A disclosure on the ad said the price was for “new users only” and that the $600 annual savings was “based on a study by SmithGeiger of the published cost of comparable standalone cable in the top 50 Nielsen DMAs, including all fees, taxes, promotion pricing, DVR box rental and service fees, and a 2nd cable box.”
Agreeing with the NAD decision, an NARB panel found that the price comparison provided by Google did not justify the “$600 less” claim.
Google said it “disagrees with NARB’s determination that people watching the challenged commercials will somehow understand ‘cable’ to mean something other than traditional cable television,” but “intends to modify or cease the disputed advertising claim.”
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I had no idea YouTube TV cost that much, or that there were people paying that much.
Lol. My retired parents just switched to this because cable was too expensive.
OTA antenna + Plex is the best combination for me. Any content with no subscription fees.
I know it is incredibly unlikely, but I do hope the outcome of the latest content/streaming apocalypse is actual a la carte ordering.
Had a blast watching Wrestle Dream the other night and wanted to get (more regularly) back into AEW. My options are 60-80 bucks a month for a “full” tv service or dealing with a mess of outdated APKs, sending payment information over VPNs, and all kinds of messes that just aren’t worth it.
Hoping the Max sports thing eventually gets AEW. I would gladly pay 20 or even 30 bucks a month if it got me all the weekly shows (PPVs would be nice but…). But the cheapest I can get is one of the Sling packages for 40 and… 40 bucks a month is a lot.
But yeah. Amazon (and I think also Apple?) have already started paving the way by letting you subscribe to other services as “channels” in theirs. Probably MASSIVE contract issues means it will take a few years, but I could easily see Fox/FX splitting out. Same with whoever owns the block of networks that include USA. And this will even better map to the royalties issue because then you are watching reruns of Frasier instead of having access to the VODs and deciding you want to pretend you liked Becker and getting that crew another few cents this month.
paying a subs to let these douche of MrBeast pollute my timeline directly or indirectly? paying for having the nth tech groupie talking about Apple last shit?
Even Real Debrid, Syncler and Control D cost much less than the fractured landscape hell of paid streaming apps.
not even close being worth it
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Remember when it was $35/month? Dropped them like a bad habbit when it went to $60 something
cbarrick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nit: It’s “à la carte” meaning “by the card” or “according to the menu”. Often the accent is dropped in English writing, but it’s always written as three words.
This is just a stupid, meaningless nit-pick. I totally understood what you were saying, so it’s really not important. It’s just, the more you know, ya know?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
G: yeah, we are charging you by the (payment) card, what is the issue here? Can’t please anyone these days…
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Card is the literal translation; however a more correct translation would be “menu” or, traditionally, bill of fare.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same. I moved my parents from directv to ytv, saving them like $150+ a month (maybe more, it was a huge deal). When ytv was like ‘puts on the proctology gloves’ with that first price hike, I pitched an ota antenna + TV tuner, hooked up to my already-paid plex server running on my nas. We dropped ytv a few days later and now pay $0.
Smart move, G. Helping my family save so much money <3
nocturne213@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I dropped around the same time. I really only had it for local channels, but the stuff I was watching ended up on other streaming apps day or two later anyway.
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It was a great delivery mechanism for live sports for me. I went back to sling and put up a TV antenna. Too bad none of my local channels come in great past 15 miles, but I’d be a fool to pay that premium for locals.
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I still pay them, I record F1 races, hgtv, cooking shows, and playoffs of a couple American sports. Then I can watch/rewatch whenever I want. I’m still ok at the current price but only because I don’t think I could reliably obtain the hgtv and cooking stuff on the seas that my wife and I enjoy
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I split YTTV with a couple friends. We have the 4K package which comes with unlimited screens. Only downsides are you need to link your Google accounts into a family and you have to be in the same general vicinity or YouTube will eventually lock you out for being outside of your home market. Still, I rather enjoy using the service for less than 30 a month.