If you think one gender needs to be subservient to another you’re either an evil person, a stupid person, or both.
Gen Z males twice as likely as baby boomers to believe wives should obey husbands
Submitted 8 hours ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/05/gen-z-men-baby-boomers-wives-should-obey-husbands
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lmdnw@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Republican?
lmdnw@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
They’re both evil and stupid.
ameancow@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I am slowly discarding my differentiations between stupid and evil, there’s a different, mysterious third thing that combines both but exists on its own.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
I am slowly discarding my differentiations between stupid and evil, there’s a different, mysterious third thing that combines both but exists on its own.
Willful Ignorance
Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
bonpote.com/…/the-5-basic-laws-of-human-stupidity…
Law 1: Everyone always and inevitably underestimates the number of stupid people in circulation
Law 2: The probability that a person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or group of people when he or she does not benefit and may even suffer losses.
Law 4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the destructive power of stupid individuals.
Law 5: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 hours ago
It’s a combination of both. Stupid people stuck in echo chambers being brainwashed and manipulate by the evil people.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
it’s called having a belief.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Most of those people tend to believe such things because of their religion… Which they think is good, wise or both.
lmdnw@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
So then they fall under the “stupid” category if they actually believe and live their lives according to unprovable mythology and “evil” if they don’t actually believe and just use the religion as an excuse to oppress others.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
even if that person is a woman who thinks it’s natural/normal to be subservient to a dominate man, and calls herself a feminist/progressive/liberal/independent woman?
WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
that opinion involves other women. they can make what ever choices about themselves but the belief that others are to be subservient is evil.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
So I question how much of this actually takes into account massive cultural differences and how that can skew the results since this is apparently a global survey.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
And they were confused when women choose the bear
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
I’m a man and I also choose the bear. I frequently go backpacking and would absolutely prefer to come across a bear in the woods than a random man.
Does despising my gender make me realistic or does it make me a misandrist? Maybe it’s both. Maybe being a misandrist and being a realist are the same fucking thing.
tempest@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Bears are less unpredictable. Also the woods are a context you expect to find a bear in so it’s not out of the norm. All that combined with years and years of true crime stuff makes the answer to that question pretty predictable, regardless of the gender.
I have not actually read the primary source for this though, only encountered it on social media so maybe they asked men the same question and they chose another person? I should probably look it up.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
As a Malaysian, i’ll let you guess the reason.
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Informal, but in brazil we made a poll among our class mates and 10 in 40 students thought “women should be submissive tp their husbands” and “disagreed with homosexuality”.
And its precisely the most religious people in the classroom… The new wave of for profit protestant churches in brazil and america is crazy.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Allah and his only prophet Mohammed?
novibe@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
You know Jesus is a prophet to Muslims right?
peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Yeah that checks out. My Gen z girlfriend has said as much. She’s into women and “men who are at least old enough to remember 9/11 clearly.”
The Gen Z men she has dated were “rude, cruel, and more interested in controlling me.”
kandoh@reddthat.com 3 hours ago
If she was dating millennial men when millennials were in their 20s she’d probably complain about PUA techniques being used against her.
doctordevice@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
That’s almost a litmus test for the Millennial/Gen Z border (for the US at least). Usually remembering 9/11 means you’re more on the Millennial side. Though generations are fuzzy and ill-defined.
kandoh@reddthat.com 3 hours ago
For me, it’s if they can remember a world without Pokemon
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The difference in frequency of these sexist attitudes in gen z men compared with millennials was at most 5%. I believe your girlfriend’s experience but I don’t think it has much relevance to this study.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
A buddy got married years ago at his wife’s church, which meant part of the ceremony was the priest asking her to vow to always obey him and do whatever he asked without question.
Like, it wasn’t just a part of the vows he rambled thru, it was its own separate thing and she had to respond “yes” or the priest wouldnt have married them.
Super fucking weird and everyone under 60 laughed.
Neither of them took it seriously, but she wanted married in her church, and her pledging total and lifelong obedience was a requirement the church insisted on.
Lots of people do take it seriously though
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 hours ago
I mean, she’s willing to be obey some priest for no reason so why wouldn’t she obey her husband?
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I don’t understand this. I’m married. My wife is the coolest person I know. I wouldn’t dare try to control her. She is too much fun.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s pretty simple.
When life has no clearly defined gender roles, people will make them up.
I’m a single guy in my early 40s. The past 5 years on the dating market, most women I meet now want 1950s gender roles. These are often educated, liberal, successful women. But they have this fantasy that they will only be happy if they find a man who pays all the bills and bosses them around, and all think Don Draper is a ‘real man’. The idea of a partnership where you say split costs and responsibilities, is totally rejected as by them and they see it as surefire path to misery. They see their role in a relationship as to quit their career and be a homemaker/mother, and my job is to work 60-80 hours a week to earn a massive salary and pay for everything.
And when they find out that as a man, I enjyo cooking, cleaning, keeping my house etc, they get really pissed off because they see me as ‘not needing a woman in my life’. No… shit. I dont’ ‘need’ a woman. I want a partner to split chores and bills with and raise kids together with.
Nefara@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
What you describe doesn’t reflect reality in my region of the world or amongst any of the people I know. Not sure where you are but it sounds like a generalized statement that should be a hell of a lot more specific. Do you live in Amish country?
Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Gotta remember selection bias. The single women are on the dating market because of their horrible views, the ones who aren’t horrible are not on the dating market anymore.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
That’s because you’re a terrible husband.
It’s disgusting how proud you are about the sick gratification you get from forcing that poor women to use her tiny little lady brain for your own personal amusement.
Report to 4chan before it’s too late! They’ll help you set you straight. Make sure you have nudes handy as payment for their services.
MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I try to control my wife the same amount that she tries to control me, which is to say not much at all but we communicate expectations which we think are reasonable. Like yeah, have friends and hang out with them without me, but I’m gonna be pissed off if you stay out until 3am without checking in. Extreme example, but you get my point. We check in before planning/doing shit that affects each other, and once in a while there is a good reason for the answer to be no.
cRazi_man@europe.pub 8 hours ago
TLDR news did a video on this a few months ago. Globally men are going hard right and women are going hard left.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 hours ago
It’s not quite as bad as that: women are turning left more than men are turning right. A few young men are getting fully into fascism/neoreactionary ideology, though many more are just bumbling around muttering “I don’t agree with everything Joe Rogan says but he is funny”. Meanwhile, young women are in the woods looking for a nice bear.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
In my experience, women are politically left. But domestically they are conservative.
Most of the progressive feminist types I try to date… all want 1950s gender roles in a relationship. And constantly complain that men are ‘manly’ enough in the sense of wanting to dominating others, themselves included. They think that me asking them what restaurants they like, is ‘feminine’. To me it’s just basic human communication.
Something like 50%+ of dating profiles in my city all make references to 1950s gender shit. And they list their politics as liberal or moderate.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 7 hours ago
This book came out decades ago and pretty much predicted everything.
“Future Shock” by Alvin Toffler. His premise was that the coming Digital Age would divide the world into the people who were going to embrace the changes and the people who couldn’t/wouldn’t give up on the Industrial Age.
KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Here is the article from Kings College with a link to the full results:
kcl.ac.uk/…/almost-a-third-of-gen-z-men-agree-a-w…
I do believe that some countries are skewing the results, but the ratios across the board are worrying.
Though this could be due to the phrasing of questions. “Do you define yourself as a feminist?” Is a question that by its very nature is going to skew towards a negative result. I personally hold very strong feminist values and promote them openly, but would still struggle to agree that I ‘define’ myself as feminist.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Feminist is such a loaded term too, after decades of vilification by right wing media. My mother would happily say “oh yes, of course I support equal rights for women, but I don’t think I’d call myself a feminist.” (Now, whether what she believes is equal rights is actually equal rights is a different question.)
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
feminism also isn’t one thing anymore.
feminist in the 70s, and first wave stuff, was clearly defined. feminism in 2020s could be really anything. They are feminists who think 1950s gender roles are ‘liberation’. And lots of conservative women think they are feminists now when they argue that a woman’s role is to be a homemaker and mother and having a career is wrong/bad.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Zoomers most like boomers.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Hmm it’s a global survey, I would like to see the data split per country. They mentioned countries like Indonesia that have very high percentages.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
The kids aren’t alright.
tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Thanks Zuck
Zirconium@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Good luck getting married, LOL
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Fucking scary. I’m afraid not only for young women, but for all of us who are of a certain age. As the Zoomers start getting elected to Congressz state legislature, judgeships, they’re going to think things like health care and human rights aren’t important.
Greddan@feddit.org 7 hours ago
If all religious people just offed themselves and went to heaven it would solve a lot of problems in the world.
j_elgato@leminal.space 6 hours ago
This would be very worrisome if their generation was expected to enjoy a full lifespan and survive an increasingly grim and dystopian future…
Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Hey, we gave rise to women’s lib, remember?
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Duckxon@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
The survey the article is based on is not of good quality (I’m being polite)… People without a proper degree in statistics should not be allowed to get anywhere near numbers… Here the [link] of the PDF: (www.kcl.ac.uk/…/iwd-2026-global-charts-final.pdf)
lovely_reader@lemmy.world 19 minutes ago
Looks like they’ve pulled the file. Good.
Windex007@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Even with those numbers, it’s still frustrating.
You can see in the data that the country dominates attitude. Using only the global averages against the generational buckets isn’t very useful. I want to see the generational breakdown BY COUNTRY.
AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
“People without a proper degree in statistics should not be allowed to get anywhere near numbers” is my new favorite phrase. Thank you for the QC!
HubertManne@piefed.social 2 hours ago
yeah I always assume articles that say X group is like Y thing is usually full of trump. these definately have to be taken with a grain of salt. Also boomers were the hippie generation. Theoretically they should be much larger on general equality.