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So you don’t think playing team games teaches you real life cooperation? That playing flight simulators teaches you about flight? Strategy games about multi tasking and resource management? Manager games about how to handle spreadsheets and optimization? Impostor style games about lying effectively?

Etc etc etc

I mean I disagree with you there, I would say it is certainly a problem that they can’t play their games. Games are not meant to waste time, they’re meant to train real life skills, just in a lower stake, more approachable, abstract manner. And they actually do that really well (depending on the game), so if you can’t even play those, how are you expected to deal with all the stuff real life throws at you? If your ego keeps you from enjoying a simple game, what real things does your ego keep you from as well?

If you like, you can team up with people from other timezones or with the no job people yourself, and then you can also take shifts.

And obviously it’s badly designed. I literally said the game might not be for them, it’s also nothing for me, either.

All I’m saying is that the perceived “problems” are not actually problems at all if you just go with it.

Also, give me one example of a game that is not “Sisyphean hell”, along with the definition of “not Sisyphean”. The whole of our existence is Sisyphean, that is literally the point of the fable, so obviously all games are also.

The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you work or not, at some point everyone has to sleep. Even the no job people get offline raided all the time. If you can’t handle it, then the game is just not for you.

Also, literally everything is Sisyphean hell if you think about it.

This whole thread is absolutely stupid. Going PvP probably brings out the dumbest, most obvious biases and insecurities out of people.

First like you say, literally all games today match you with similar players. So you’re going to roughly win 50%. So it doesn’t matter how good you are (except the literal best/worst), you’re always gonna lose and win the same amount.

Then also, if you are playing with someone that plays 10 hours a day, then either they are really bad for how much they play or you’re really good for how little you play. Either way, the match is fair again.

Then of course it literally doesn’t matter if you win or lose, games are about having fun, and you can have fun winning or losing. Coupled with the fact that you’re basically forced to lose 50% of the time, you better have fun losing, else why would you play a game that you just straight up don’t enjoy 50% of the time?

There’s literally no reason to “keep up with the meta”, it’s just an arbitrary excuse that “sounds reasonable”. You can play literally every PvP game without ever looking at what other people do, and still be good, or just not care if you’re not in idk, the top 10%. But people can’t handle it ego-wise if they’re not in the top 10%, so an excuse to not play at all is much less painful.

And if you bring up any of these points, it’s like politics, people don’t even listen to you because their mind is already made up or their ego prevents them, it’s useless.

Hardware bans do not work (easily faked), so it’s kinda obvious why devs don’t use it. And even if they did, if the cheaters sell their hardware and replace it with the same from someone else (essentially just shipping cost), the only thing that happens is some poor schmuck is banned from a game for no fault of their own, just because they bought used hardware.