The confusion is language.
In the Quran, he’s called Isa and is mentioned over 30 times.
Same way Allah refers to the same God Judaism calls Yahweh and Christians aren’t supposed to say aloud because they treat God like Voldemort.
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novibe@lemmy.ml 2 weeks agoYou know Jesus is a prophet to Muslims right?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
mcv@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think it’s Jews who can’t say Yahweh. Christians certainly can.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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Judaism = Yahweh
Islam = Allah
Christianity = “Do not say my name, just say God”
That’s literally the whole “do not say God’s name on vain” thing.
Idiots that couldn’t read the Bible centuries later just thought “God” was what you shouldn’t say, be cause they scrubbed God’s name in the original language from the Bible and Christianity to make it more believable he was the only God and not one of many
mcv@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m a Christian, and I assure you that this is nonsense. I distinctly remember the name Yahweh being used in sermons. Maybe there are branches of Christianity where that’s a thing, but it’s definitely not universal.
“Using God’s name in vain” is generally taken to be about blasphemous cursing, not about using God’s name at all.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The god’s name in vain thing has nothing to do with not saying God’s name. It also doesn’t really mean saying things like “god damn it.” It’s meant to be about not using God as a justification or excuse to do something you want. Throughout history it’s probably the least followed commandment, except for maybe throw shalt not kill.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s the evidence of the name being scrubbed? Is it just that the Jews still use Yahweh and Christians don’t usually? I’m curious and would like to have backing if I repeat that at some point.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Serious.
How exactly does that work? I’m pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
ragepaw@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And the (Cristian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on…
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah’s flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don’t necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s more of an academic point than anything that has actual effect on day to day religious activity.
novibe@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.
Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.
But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
None of that changes what I said. He’s not really part of the core of the religion. It’s just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Thank you.
fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the ‘final’ messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there’s ‘one’ prophet to ‘go to’, under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don’t even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that’s best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don’t get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.