We’ve been seeing claims like this for years and every time it’s been total bullshit. 99.9% chance it is this time as well, but enjoy the thought experiment.
New nickel-iron battery charges in seconds, survives 12,000 cycles
Submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://interestingengineering.com/energy/edison-inspired-battery-recharges-in-seconds
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Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
And yet we have somehow gone from rechargeable phone batteries that were about 3 times bigger than the phone I’m typing this on and had a capacity of about 500 mAh to where we are now with the battery that powers my phone being some small part of it and having a capacity of 3000 may, with only two major technology changes on the way. Meanwhile, we’ve been using the same technology for over a decade and the capability keeps getting better. I wonder why that is?
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Those while are great are just pushing the tech in tiny increments. It’s still the same tech. Kinda like how ICE vehicles got better and better, but they still use non-renewable energy.
This tech we need, is the leap from ICE to electric vehicles…vs an old model T to a modern Corolla.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Sometimes it’s not pure bullshit, but instead intentionally misses details
Like articles going “new battery lasts 1000 years!” - which is true of Nuclear Batteries, because they give basically a maximum of 1 watt of energy per hour. (Which is useful for very specific purposes like a pacemaker)
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are you saying Grandma’s a WMD?
RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Nitpick perhaps, but watts are not a unit of energy.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The problem is that batteries must meet a whole set of other criteria as well to be competitive, for example cost and energy density. If they are not mentioned, they are probably worse in that aspect. Which just means they are still useful for some applications, just maybe not for cars, laptops or cellphones.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Abstract
Downsizing metal nanoparticles into nanoclusters and single atoms represents a transformative approach to maximizing atom utilization efficiency for energy applications. Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide. Through KOH-catalyzed pyrolysis, the downsized metal nanoclusters and single atoms are embedded in a hierarchically porous protein/graphene-derived carbonaceous aerogel framework. The carbon-supported Fe subnanoclusters (FeSNC) as the negative electrode and Ni subnanoclusters (NiSNC) as the positive electrode exhibit remarkable specific capacitance (capacity) values of 373 F g−1 (93 mAh g−1) and 1125 F g−1 (101 mAh g−1) at 1.0 A g−1, respectively. Assembled into a supercapacitor-battery hybrid configuration, the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1), while maintaining outstanding cycling stability of over 12 000 cycles. Moreover, FeSNCs displayed a significantly reduced oxygen evolution overpotential (η10 = 270 mV), outperforming the RuO2 benchmark (η10 = 328 mV). Molecular dynamics simulations, coupled with density functional theory calculations, offer insights into the dynamic behavior and electronic properties of these materials. This work underscores the immense potential of metallic subnanoclusters for advancing next-generation energy storage and conversion technologies.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
yep.
SHould be a blanket ban on miraculous battery technology stories until they are actually in production and proven.
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Research into the lithium ion battery started in the 1970s and they only became common in EVs in the 2010s.
So yes, it would “take long” for companies to “jump on them”.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
However, this technology does not yet match the energy density of lithium-ion batteries.
It would be good if you actually told us what that energy density is…
InnerScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Technically, a copper wire is a battery that charges in (a very tiny fraction of ) seconds.
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
ahkshuallly, don’t you mean a capacitor?
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
About tree fiddy
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ah said MONSTAH!
CptOblivius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Two important parts of a battery are how much energy it can store in a certain space and how much it weighs. If it is bigger and holds the same amount of energy that might be ok for a non mobile storage if it costs less, like a house. If it weighs more for a certain energy that wouldn’t be useful for cars and mobile things but might be ok for small things where the weight is negligible anyway. For cars you want a small energy dense battery that is light as possible
blackbeans@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Article says 47 Wh/kg. Thats around a third of LFP cells. But the power density is way higher. Meaning it can do enormous peak currents.
For grid energy storage, energy density is not the most important factor, but the power density is a great plus. It means these cells can rapidly charge or discharge in the grid, offering flexibility to buffer in any way that is required. And the cycle life is also way higher.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It sounds like a great option for hybrid vehicle batteries, in that case. They still use NI-MH batteries a lot of the time.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Abstract
Downsizing metal nanoparticles into nanoclusters and single atoms represents a transformative approach to maximizing atom utilization efficiency for energy applications. Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide. Through KOH-catalyzed pyrolysis, the downsized metal nanoclusters and single atoms are embedded in a hierarchically porous protein/graphene-derived carbonaceous aerogel framework. The carbon-supported Fe subnanoclusters (FeSNC) as the negative electrode and Ni subnanoclusters (NiSNC) as the positive electrode exhibit remarkable specific capacitance (capacity) values of 373 F g−1 (93 mAh g−1) and 1125 F g−1 (101 mAh g−1) at 1.0 A g−1, respectively. Assembled into a supercapacitor-battery hybrid configuration, the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1), while maintaining outstanding cycling stability of over 12 000 cycles. Moreover, FeSNCs displayed a significantly reduced oxygen evolution overpotential (η10 = 270 mV), outperforming the RuO2 benchmark (η10 = 328 mV). Molecular dynamics simulations, coupled with density functional theory calculations, offer insights into the dynamic behavior and electronic properties of these materials. This work underscores the immense potential of metallic subnanoclusters for advancing next-generation energy storage and conversion technologies.
DeuxChevaux@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If it lasts 30 years, it will not fly with the industry and the concept of planned obsolescence.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Ooh, they’ll figure a way to make it clock out on the last monthly payment. One little chip will do, or just a few lines of code in the right place.
BetaBlake@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Someone will find a way to make it a subscription service that stops working when a certain MW is exceeded
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 2 weeks ago
Sounds like a good candidate to go into pagers.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The technology uses nickel and iron clusters smaller than 5 nanometers, meaning 10,000 to 20,000 clusters could fit within the width of a human hair.
By using these dimensions, the researchers increased the electrode surface area, allowing almost every atom to participate in the chemical reaction. This efficiency enables the battery to reach a full charge in seconds rather than the seven hours required by historical versions of the technology.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
5nm nano fabrication will cost a fortune. this week’s cure-all battery.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Nano chemistry is entirely different from nano fabrication. I haven’t read the paper but most materials like this are made by mixing chemicals in a beaker and/or heating them in a furnace.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile my UPS taks 8 hours to charge and lasts 8 minutes.
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
UPS batteries are something i don’t understand either. Why have they not changed with all the new tech we have now? Is it just still made of the best chemicals for their use and to then be recycled or something?
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
UPS batteries need to be fully charged all the time. Lead acid batteries like to be fully charged. Lithium batteries need to be stored around 50% charge to have a long lifetime.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are newer LFP portable batteries with <10ms UPS switch times that charge quickly and have much longer battery life’s, and LFP cells don’t degrade the same when kept at 100% like other types, although you should still cycle them a few times a year.
Bluetti makes some, the elite series has their latest UPS features. The non elite are slower and noisier.
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yes, lead acid is very reliable and very recyclable.
weew@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Many portable batteries (i.e. campsite batteries) have a UPS mode and can be used that way. Much more expensive though.
hark@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe sodium ion will be a suitable replacement.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is it also a room-temperature superconductor and a dessert topping?
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
After 12,000 cycles it breaks down into rainbow sprinkles
Zink@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Well maybe this time the new battery tech can be real and gay!
roserose56@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So the inventor gonna vanish and never hear about it again?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Well Edison is dead, but we do hear about him alot so I’m not sure what’s going on.
roserose56@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Speaking about scientists who find something groundbreaking and they vanish after.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And probably not at all practical.
satanmat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Eeehhhhh — yeah
Aerogel. So not gonna be good for mobile applications— cars etc.
But might be workable for static applications???
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
So a 3 megawatt charger can charge 50 kWh in one minute. That’s some serious power.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Just make one large enough to power my house for 2 weeks and let me use solar completely detached from the grid. I’ll put it on the side of my house.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
maybe in a shed off the side of your house? i would not want that fire attached to my structure in a failure.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
It’s not lithium. This battery wouldn’t be a fire hazard.
solrize@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
That’s doable right now pretty much, in that the cost of existing batteries is in proportion to the other stuff you’ll need.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The sodium batteries rolling out to market right now should be good for it. Just waiting for them to get out and into use for a few years to make sure their isn’t any immediate unforseen bugs. I just want a 30 year battery and not a 10 year, and time itself degrades lithium based batteries quite a lot. They can make one that will last over 500,000 ev miles, but don’t count on it doing it and lasting 20+ years.
WhisperingEye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Call me a pessimistic but I’m guessing this is only time we’ll be hearing about it
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
NIckel Iron is fantastic without any revolutionary improvements. Batteries made 100 years ago still work today. They are large and heavy so are only of use for home power.
The big “down side” which is the reason it isn’t commercially developed at large scale is that they last forever. No investors are going to give billions to a business that can’t generate revenue forever with a product that needs replacing every 3 years.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The government would for the military.
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1)
I’m not familiar with this stuff. How does that compare to popular lithium batteries?
pageflight@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Looks like it’s more like NiMH than LiPo, but higher power than NiMH (which I guess lines up with their claims of charging super fast).
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s more like NiCd but better power and more cycles (and no memory effect).
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Poorly. According to a random Wikipedia query, commodity lithium ion is 250 Wh per kilogram. So this is around 20% of that, according to the above.
“Excellent” may be in comparison to other byzantine specialty battery chemistries, but lithium ion remains resolutely enthroned.
iopq@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It might be cool for storing solar energy for your home, though. We don’t need to always carry the battery in every use case
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Nickel iron is typically used for off grid solar energy storage. Weight doesn’t matter at all since the battery won’t be moved. The most important thing is lifetime. Traditional nickel iron batteries last for decades and can be refurbished.
solrize@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Home storage generally uses LFP which is around 170 WH/kg. 270 is NMC which is used in stuff like mobile phones where the trade offs are different.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Quite enough energy density and very good power density for stationary energy storage, with zero fire danger. Reasonably cheap, too.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Most li-ions land around 120-160 w/kg. So much poorer, but much cheaper on density
The specific power (power density) is kind of crazy though. I think most li-ions top out around 10kW/kg, any more and they will overheat and boil their electrolyte which usually leads to fire.
Eczpurt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I looked around and found that lithium ion batteries will range from 100-270 Wh/kg and up to 10 kW/kg.
So these particular batteries are quite an improvement, especially if they can beat lithium ion in cost.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Abstract
Downsizing metal nanoparticles into nanoclusters and single atoms represents a transformative approach to maximizing atom utilization efficiency for energy applications. Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide. Through KOH-catalyzed pyrolysis, the downsized metal nanoclusters and single atoms are embedded in a hierarchically porous protein/graphene-derived carbonaceous aerogel framework. The carbon-supported Fe subnanoclusters (FeSNC) as the negative electrode and Ni subnanoclusters (NiSNC) as the positive electrode exhibit remarkable specific capacitance (capacity) values of 373 F g−1 (93 mAh g−1) and 1125 F g−1 (101 mAh g−1) at 1.0 A g−1, respectively. Assembled into a supercapacitor-battery hybrid configuration, the device achieves an excellent specific energy (47 W h kg−1) and superior specific power (18 kW kg−1), while maintaining outstanding cycling stability of over 12 000 cycles. Moreover, FeSNCs displayed a significantly reduced oxygen evolution overpotential (η10 = 270 mV), outperforming the RuO2 benchmark (η10 = 328 mV). Molecular dynamics simulations, coupled with density functional theory calculations, offer insights into the dynamic behavior and electronic properties of these materials. This work underscores the immense potential of metallic subnanoclusters for advancing next-generation energy storage and conversion technologies.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Herein, a bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy is developed to fabricate iron and nickel nanoclusters, which are subsequently hydrothermally composited with graphene oxide.
Is this how Doom starts?
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I think so long as you don’t hear Mick Gordon guitar riffs starting to chug in the background we are safe…
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
bovine serum albumin-templated synthetic strategy
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
carbodaceous to the extreme, broheem
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
this is one of the bigger changes in battery tech i’ve read in a while. i’m curious about their beef aerogel tho. i have no personal problem using it (beef is going to be used, regardless, so ethically we should not waste the beef we’re producing) but i would love to see this battery tech become vegan. in part so i can calm the little part of my conscious, and in part so we don’t have to have an ethical debate about batteries.
Manjushri@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Per the article they are working on that, whichever is good since cattle farming is not exactly eco friendly.
The researchers are currently investigating the use of other metals with this nanocluster fabrication technique. They are also testing natural polymers as more abundant replacements for bovine proteins to facilitate potential manufacturing.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Every battery charges in seconds
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Few seconds, many seconds, still seconds.
dan1101@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope, but 90% of these never pan out.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It takes decades for innovative products, or seemingly useless ideas, to be commercially viable. That’s why the best response, when asked what is the purpose of doing research on seemingly useless topics, is to say “I don’t know, but I know it’s going to be taxed someday.”
socsa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Just like with all of these headlines, it will not charge in seconds outside the lab without cryogenic cooling systems. Pack density is already largely limited by cooling systems, so everyone looking for faster charging and higher range should really be focused on superconducting tech more than cell chemistry
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Team expects, may be useful, could be used, prototype, are currently investigating and so on. Cool piece of technolgy, but no even mention when they’d expect that to be commercially available, if it’s even possible to manufacture in commercial scale. Like many other new battery chemistries and technologies, it shows promise and makes a good headline, but at this point that’s pretty much it.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Eh, give em the clout they need to develop it further.
ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Well tbf this was a university lab which isn’t focused on commercial production but just trying to prove their experiments
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are likely working under grants.
suigenerix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To be fair, commercial long-life nickel-iron batteries are already being sold for grid storage. The main reason they aren’t used more widely is they cost more up front.
That’s ok, because they still cost less than alternatives over the full life span of the battery.
The risk is that the higher purchase cost required will likely be wasted as new battery tech surpasses it long before its life is over.
So for now, it’s all about weighing opportunity cost, tech lock-in, and early obsolescence