When this all crashes to the ground it’s going to be ugly.
Data centers will consume 70 percent of memory chips made in 2026 - supply shortfall will cause the chip shortage to spread to other segments | Tom's Hardware
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sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Pechente@feddit.org 14 hours ago
Can’t happen soon enough. Few people want AI and now it will fuck over a bunch of people very directly. No idea how long the investors can keep inflating this bubble now.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
the problem is that governments want AI for their surveillance bullshit, especially FSA. they will never let any of these companies fail, and in fact will have no problem blowing $Xbillion of taxpayer money to bail them out
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Local and self controled AI has some really cool applications. When I can afford it, replacing my home security cameras with something that stays local and not sent to the cloud is on my list of things to do. When I do that having a local AI do image recognition and tying it into my home assistant setup will be a cool project.
phx@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I haven’t yet seen where use of AI hasn’t made things worse.
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Agents: Every instance of AI for “customer service” I’ve run into basically just closed cases for invalid reasons, spouted bullshit, and was used to block interacting with a real human, trapping users in infinite loops (thanks eBay) or disconnecting on them (thanks PayPal)
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Security: M365 seems to be relying heavily on this now, which means that the same phishing email which was successfully blocked last week will randomly get through a few times this week for no apparent reason
*Coding: sometimes useful, but also points to do stuff like reference functions that don’t actually exist in the API/language being used
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CosmoNova@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
They already planned and built many data centers by then and will use them. It‘s going to be cloud services all the way. Desktops or even capable phones will be a thing of the past as everyone expects you to source out computing power to a subscription service. We will own nothing. It‘s peak capitalism.
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 10 hours ago
Keep that powder dry for the cheap RAM when the pendulum swings back.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I feel like some sort of scheme will be invented to fuck your average person over when that time comes.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Good joke, this.
fartographer@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
RAM will be cheap! So will the dollar… Maybe I can get a good deal on upgrades to my server by reclaiming the gold in the contacts?
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Ugly, yes, but also cheap.
zbyte64@awful.systems 11 hours ago
IDK, a lot of that data center AI hardware is built to self-destruct after a few years. It’s going to take time for the factories to retool before we see prices drop back down.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
But we might scoop up loads of cheap RAM, hard drives and a nice GPU!
Goodeye8@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Unless you’re planning on buying the whole rack you’re not scooping up anything, except maybe the hard drives. The memory and GPUs are not consumer grade hardware. Some of the GPUs you technically could hook up to your PC, for example the Nvidia A6000, but its launch price was ~$4500 so even on the cheaper end you’re shelling out probably $3000 for a card that (out the box) is marginally better than the 4070ti. Most of the GPUs and pretty much all of the memory is not compatible with your standard consumer grade MoBos.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Yeah, so this is the part where the market regulates itself? Y’know, the part where ultra billionaires just dump money by the boatloads to buy up stuff that everyone needs?
Capitalism will ONLY work if we put hard caps on how much wealth a single person can hoard. Billionaires shouldn’t exist. Millionaires shouldn’t exist. There is no need for them and there is no human right somewhere that says that you really van become one.
Any wealth over 1 million should be taxed 100%, doesn’t matter the country.
With that, we can say goodbye to hundreds of problems that plague the world, including this one
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
This platform is so incredibly out of touch with reality, especially the more left leaning side of things.
A millionaire these days just means you’ve paid off your mortgage and have a decent amount put away for retirement.
ScientifficDoggo@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
I only half agree with this assessment. Most million dollar homes are million dollar homes due to billionaires and firms poaching housing from actual families and driving up prices.
Idk WHERE we draw the line, but I absolutely say we start culling from the top and see where we land.
evol@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Marx himself wrote this long ass book explaining the capitalism of his time, yet modern leftist have no interest understanding the economy of their time.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
A million ain’t what it used to be. You want to retire so you need to invest. You don’t want to pass laws that make that impossible.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Millionaires shouldn’t exist.
Most middle-class people who put their mind it it will become a millionaire. It involves not buying cars constantly and investing your money and letting it grow for decades. I can’t stress enough how big of a difference those two things make.
Seriously, a huge portion of retirees are millionaires because they were responsible and didn’t blow all their money.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Very much so, even someone in the trades could well be a millionaire when they retire.
iopq@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
My dad’s house that he bought in 2006 is worth over 1 million, how do you tax that
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 56 minutes ago
If you are in my state, it’s taxed via property tax.
boaratio@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
It’s not a shortage, it’s billionaires hoarding the existing supply.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
So essentially scalpers.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
…What forces defend these datacenters? Could a platoon of motivated civilians armed with pump action shotguns carry all the RAM out of one?
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
No but anyone with a a cheap vintage military rifle with 2000 yard/meter iron sights could reek havoc by lobbing a few bullets at like a mortar from extreme range. It would be ridiculously easy to get away with with doing a few times. Just do it at random times and in different locations.
They will have to start building these things in the Nevada test range if enough people took up this new hobby.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
You remember a few years ago when some random town in North Carolina made the national news because some Proud Boys shot out the substation because there was a drag show at a local downtown theater?
I’m from there.
What I learned in those four days without refrigeration or air conditioning is that substations aren’t bulletproof.
theparadox@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
They use a different kind of RAM.
It’s the capacity to make RAM and the materials required to make RAM that is going to datacenters.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I probably got an adapter somewhere
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
So we should just straight-up vandalize them? As much property damage as possible, forget the shotguns, bring bulldozers, gasoline and road flares?
NavySqueal@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Damn so we really aren’t always going to have calculators :'(
tomiant@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Hold on while I use AI to create an image of a dog in a funny hat!
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
As far as I know this user is a dog
forrgott@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Watch this not ever really even touch the mobile phone market. The only computer they want you to have access to is the one they fully control…
milagemayvary@mstdn.social 14 hours ago
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Might want to keep an eye on !linuxphones@lemmy.ca. It’s time we take back control of that computing sector
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Only good LLM is a deleted LLM, same goes for capitalists.
Bababasti@feddit.org 22 minutes ago
rm -rf capitalism/
gdog05@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Data centers will consume…
No, data centers that are slated to be built say they’ll consume. If they don’t get built because they run out of funding or the bubble bursts, then they won’t consume. They’re trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
They’re trying really fucking hard to make fetch happen.
Which is dumb because neofetch, fastfetch, hyfetch, and uwufetch all already exist!
supamanc@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
You think they allow prices to go down?
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 hours ago
Except there are zero contracts in place to actually build those data centers, nor is there enough power generated to run them. I really wish tech journalists would do the background to determine if what these documented liars are saying is even possible, never mind likely.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 9 hours ago
SOOO let’s start some new companies to increase the supply… ? Obviously?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
too bad there isnt much of competition outside of nvidia, at least not that can match them.
GMac@feddit.org 14 hours ago
Can we all buy cheap hardware when the bubble bursts and the billionaires decide not to pay the electricity bills for these ridiculous datacentres?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 hours ago
the AI chips are usable for regular consumers like you or me.
Rothe@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Unlike with the GPU shortage, where the cryptomining gpus could be used by regular consumers, the datacenter ram and so on is not usable on personal computers. It is all going to be e-waste, and we will still have a shortage after the bubble burst.
sobchak@programming.dev 1 hour ago
It’s possible someone would make it usable. A long time ago, I bought a laptop CPU that was soldered onto a board so it would go into a normal desktop socket. Guessing there was a glut of laptop CPUs at the time.
eli@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yeah and the e-waste centers will clean up the hardware and resell it.
It’ll be a flood into the market. Supply and demand and all that.
RamRabbit@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
While it won’t be usable by consumers, lots of businesses will happily scoop up the pieces for their own servers. Not only will a ton of demand vanish, but a ton of supply will appear at the same time.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
is datacenter ram really not usable on personal PC’s? I figured it was the same as consumer ram but with ECC features.
GMac@feddit.org 11 hours ago
Well that sucks. I assumed the ram, ssds, hdds could be recycled into useful forms.
morto@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Warning: spoiler
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No
PotatoLibre@feddit.it 14 hours ago
Can we start to burn serverhalls?
iopq@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Accidentally burns all the lemmy servers
FE80@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Maybe we should manage these supply chain bottlenecks with AI.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 15 hours ago
All of that because some richtards have too much money to burn
Deceptichum@quokk.au 14 hours ago
You can just say rich.
eleijeep@piefed.social 13 hours ago
Who will end up holding the bag?
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Us. Like always.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I believe that if these AI hyperscaler facilities can’t get built or can’t pay their bills, the ram will likely not be usable for consumers if they get foreclosed on, since these companies are directly buying silicon wafers since it’s a cost cutting measure, so if they’re not built, most wafers could just stay like that, and if they are changed to work in their servers, I fully doubt they’ll use modules, since they could’ve just bought modules to save endless downtime before the facility actually starts making money for them.
fogrye@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
AI revolution is so great
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
this is fine