YSK: A real American Civil war will NOT be like Battlefield or COD.

Submitted ⁨⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Alpha71@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨youshouldknow@lemmy.world⁩

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I’ve seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.

And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can’t put the genie in the bottle once you’ve left it out.

If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.

I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.

The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. “Well it’s going to be Conservative VS. Liberal” you say. Except it won’t be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.

ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.

And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy’s.

Because that’s the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they’re “damn dirty libs” or “Fascist Conservatives” Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.

Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee’s trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won’t get in.

Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.

If America even survives the outcome that is.

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theacharnian@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Not American, so feel free to stop reading.

It’s ridiculous to me how you yanks go from zero to a hundred like this. Either normality or civil war. Like there is no in between? You have an authoritarianism problem. So resist authoritarianism. What makes you think that the only way to resist is shooting people? Resistance is a spectrum, and you have barely started using democratic means to fight back (you just started electing democratic socialists), much less active procedural and institutional warfare (is Bernie demanding a vote for every procedural point requiring a vote? Are the Dems actually using any rat fucking tactic to make the state ungovernable? Are your local and state governments really resisting beyond making angry noises?). You have barely tried non violent resistance (not the same as peaceful!) but you’re such a violent culture that you jump straight to military solutions. Wtf. Those come at the very end, if everything else has failed. Has it? Nowhere near. So this talk about civil war, is that really useful?

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reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
YSK: The average citizen doesn’t have much control over the cork in the bottle.

This administration is repeatedly and consistently provoking people. Randomly shooting people in the face, and talking about sending the military to Minnesota is going to cause things to boil over if the other people we elected don’t step in and force them to cool down.

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BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
… Americans don’t realize they’re already in a civil war? Bro a city is occupied. Secret police roam freely. Tens of thousands disappeared.

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- SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That isn’t a civil war. That is an autocracy. If the people across the state were coming in a militia to take over that would be a civil war.
  
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  - BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Where do you think the ICE agents are drawn from, buddy? Downtown St. Paul? Pedantic.
    
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- michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They are moving 1500 soldiers to Minneapolis to quell the “violence” which is basically people marching with signs and blocking traffic.
  
  Ice agents are threatening to murder people and telling them they should have learned to be meek so they don’t get murdered like Goode
  
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- GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’ve yet to see a major media outlet call it what it is.
  
  It’s sheer cowardice at this point. The president himself has called it war.
  
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- someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s no armed fighting back, so it’s not a civil war it’s purging.
  
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  - 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It may not have actually escalated into shooting yet, but the armed defense is certainly beginning.
    
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- Baggie@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Which city? I’ve been keeping an eye on her news and I still feel like I miss shit
  
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  - GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Chicago. LA. Minneapolis. And more, but those are currently the most egregious.
    
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mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Everybody know it not a game but st some point there is no othet options and fight oppresion

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Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Nobody but the conservative crazy people here in the US is gung-ho about this.

I have, however, seen countless Europeans and non-Americans trying to incite us into widespread violence constantly. These are the people likening us to Nazi Germany, a country nearly 100 years in the past, and on the other side of the world.

Let me just say right now, emphatically, FUCK YOU if you’re trying to do this. You are worse than Trump and all the fascists here.

Violence may be needed in certain moments here… But it’s not the answer to everything going on. In fact, violence is what Trump wants in many of the individual situations he’s creating.

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- super_user_do@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  At least nazi germany didnt force people in a constant spiral of debt
  
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- Jimbel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I think large peaceful demonstrations are needed. The people need to go on the streets in vast numbers and make their opposition to trump visible for everyone. Just in a peacefully but strong way, not possible to neglect.
  
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  - Aeao@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    He would just make another video of him shitting on the protesters from a plane. That’s not me being pessimistic that’s what he did we had no kings day
    
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SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Most of the voices calling for v10l3nt r3v01ut10n in the states are Russian bots or MAGA provocateurs.

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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s worthwhile you mention Sarajevo, and in reference to that I will post this tidbit posted by a MetaFilter user in 2009 regarding their experience in the siege of Sarajevo.

Well, unlike the majority of you (I assume), I actually lived several years in a period of savagery and killing, during which nothing - food, water, electricity, phone, clothing, sense of safety, school, the ability to go out in public, etc - was available, except during totally unpredictable, brief and sporadic occasions.

Of those who couldn’t leave my city, Sarajevo:

Some people (very few) were prepared for what they thought would be the “long haul” - this tended to be a couple of months. These people were widely seen as lunatics and dangerously pessimistic ones at that.

Most people were not at all prepared. This included my family. Many of those - like my family - considered the idea of “preparation” to be an affront to the decency we felt most people possessed. Were we wrong? Well, I don’t know. We suffered greatly; my parents were killed. But speaking only for myself, I never felt I cheapened my soul by betting on calamity. Today, that still feels like it’s worth something.

But here’s the main point: “Preparing” for the disaster really didn’t do anyone much good. Those who “prepared” ate a little better for a while. They stayed warmer for a few extra days. They enjoyed the radio for a while longer (via batteries.) But in the end, they ended up hungry, cold and bored too, just like the rest of us. Guns and weapons helped no one directly and were even of little to no use in the defense of Sarajevo, since they were toys compared to the shells, bombs and high-powered armaments of the attacking forces. The worst parts of war were psychological - the fear, anxiety, boredom, loneliness, paranoia, bad dreams. Respite from those things came with sharing food with a neighbor, finding a piece of clothing that would fit someone you knew, commiserating with others in your position, figuring out how to make make-up from brick or french fries from wheat paste and spreading this newly-acquired war knowledge around the mahala.

We knew who had extra food and supplies. For the most part, they weren’t attacked or hassled or bothered. Contrary to what these survivalists say, those in dire times generally hold on to their personal sense of pride even more than they do in normal times. I’d take a bite of a friend’s salad without bothering to ask in normal times. I’d never have done that in wartime, no matter how hungry I was.

Within the domain of those trapped in the city, civility greatly increased.

You often hear how Holocaust survivors felt guilt at surviving. Well, during war, that was a feeling everyone was aware of - people started dying right away (my parents were killed near the start of the siege, for instance) - and there was a palpable enough common sense of karma to make everyone into good Samaritans. None of us understood why we survived while others didn’t. I shared food when I had it, even though I often knew I wouldn’t have a crumb the next day. Which was no big achievement, because nearly everyone did the same.

Those who’d prepared, well, the majority of them shared their food and whatever else they had as soon as someone else was clearly in need. I can’t swear it, but I think they felt a little foolish to have been so self-obsessed, and giving away that stuff might have lessened that feeling. There were a few people who hoarded things until they ran out of stuff - eventually everybody ran out of anything worth hoarding - and they soon became wishful beggars like the rest of us. Again, I can’t swear it, but I hear stories, and it seems that these people suffer from post-war trauma, guilt and nightmares more than the rest of us.

Those survivalists, I feel sorry for them. It’s no way to live.

posted by Dee Xtrovert at 9:33 PM on January 28, 2009

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- Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  A great read, thank you.
  
  This exemplifies why it’s so important to learn how to grow your own food. If you’re serious about “prepping” don’t hoard tins of beans, learn how to grow beans.
  
  Make your soil fertile now, learn the skills now, because it can take 3 years for a piece of land to become fertile enough to provide good harvests. It takes time to learn what you’re doing. It takes time to get equipment, seeds, compost.
  
  A network of small vegetable gardens can go a long way in helping reduce starvation.
  
  Is it a silver bullet that guarantees survival? Of course not. Your crops can fail, your garden sabotaged, damaged, or robbed. But does it increase your, and your community’s chances? Absolutely!
  
  Start small, have fun, learn, and grow!
  
  beehaw.org/c/greenspace
  
  lemmy.world/c/gardening
  
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- Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The only reason I’m prepping is for the eventuality that others may need help.
  
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- sopularity_fax@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Powerful account
  
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- mirshafie@europe.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’m in Sweden. War is almost unthinkable. I have prepared my basement with shelf-stable food and fuel that could feed my apartment complex for a month. If something happens, it’s for my neighbors, not just for my family.
  
  But a month is nothing.
  
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  - lemmyseikai@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    A month is more than enough time to plan and discuss future options. Especially for a community. 👍
    
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super_user_do@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Conservatives really do think that any limitation of freedom imposed to their political opponents only affects them. How cute!

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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
One thing you see in places like Syria and the Balkans was a lot of revenge murders and groups that were essentially gangs terrorizing and enslaving towns.

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PangurBan@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
We’re in a civil war right now. This is what it looks like.

But it can get a lot worse.

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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
A real civil war wouldn’t last longer than three weeks here in the US.

This is the country that couldn’t go three weeks without a haircut or toilet paper in 2020. People would walk into their first empty grocery store, toting their big impressive AR-15 rifles, and then demand that the war be ended.

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technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’m not really expecting a “civil war” for the many obvious reasons stated by others.

I’m more expecting total societal collapse combined with extremely violent capitalist repression - largely due to the ongoing destruction of the planet.

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Strider@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Great post.

However, from a European perspective all this has been a long time coming, ignoring all warnings and with open arms (pun not intended).

So for the US I don’t see how it can be fixed without going through this.

I’m sorry.

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- bigboismith@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  As another European, I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. I personally don’t think most republicans are fundamentally fascist, more so convinced that Trump is playing 5d chess.
  
  If you where to ask most Republicans if they supported democracy, right of law and freedom for all, they would say that they support it.
  
  However, due to the tribalism of current American politics and the cult of personality around Trump, they aren’t seeing how that is being infringed.
  
  Trump is almost 80, and will die eventually. With him will his cult of personality die. Some hardliners will probably latch on to Trump Jr or Vance, but most republicans will probably quietly switch over to supporting some more moderate dumb fuck (think Mitt Romney).
  
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  - michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Around 84% of Republicans approve of what is clearly kidnapping murder and open fascism as we are threatening half the world, planning on invading a NATO country, and stealing oil from Venezuela. Conservatives are absolutely our enemy.
    
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  - Jako302@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It deosnt matter if trump dies, the Republican party has pretty mich made up their mind that there won’t be an election in the future.
    
    They don’t care about public opinion anymore judging by everything they did in 2025 and all the rich oligarchs in america are either part of their club or are pressured to comply.
    
    And with the epstine files pretty much out now the higher ranking Republicans are too scared to five up their power with the possibility of them getting prosecuted afterwards.
    
    Even without Trump, the only way to get rid of the fascists will be to forcefully remove them which will end in a civil war.
    
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  - Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Hard disagree. The Republican politicians are not leading the masses to dark places, the masses are pulling the politicians to greater extremes and the politicians are holding them back, because they have a greater understanding of the consequences than the average voter.
    
    Ask the average Republican if undocumented I’m immigrants should all be deported, and they will tell you yes. That’s 14 million people, and the only way to accomplish it is to build up ICE to 5 times it’s current size, and do what they are doing in Minneapolis in every city in America. What they want requires fascism.
    
    Ask them if abortion is murder and they will say yes. They don’t care about the women that are dying from pregnancy complications, the children that will be orphaned, the families that have been torn apart because the treatment for many conditions is abortion of the pregnancy and if it’s murder you can get treatment.
    
    Ask them if environmental regulations are too stiff and should be rolled back so the economy can grow, and they will say yes, they don’t care about the ecosystems that will be lost forever, the diseases that people will suffer from pollution, or the rights of communities to avoid those harms.
    
    What holds them back is that individuals don’t all want the same things, so the party pulls in different directions, because some people understand the disaterous implications of a specific policy, so they don’t support that particular cruelty, but they don’t question the wider ideology, and the basic ideology is a death cult.
    
    What you get over time is generational frustration that the corrupt politicians refuse to do what is necessary and support for more and more extreme individuals in office. People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism, because that’s what is required to give the masses what they demand.
    
    Democracy slows down the process, but the American voters will get the cruelty, suffering, and death they demand eventually.
    
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  - Strider@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Vance will be worse; in general the removal of Trump won’t make it better.
    
    I dont have any words to add and hope you’re right.
    
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CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
“Do Not Split”

Learned about it from this episode of the Team Human podcast

But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.

And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.

If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

It’s not like they have to come out and tell the media, oh, we approve of our more sort of confrontational colleagues. They just keep quiet. They just keep quiet.

Understanding that a range of tactics is probably going to be necessary. Nobody really knows what’s going to work. But if everybody’s pushing back against a particularly violent state, then everybody’s really on the same side.

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- KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You should really post this on its own. I think people in the USA would benefit from seeing and internalizing this principle.
  
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- Monument@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yes!
  
  I was just talking to my wife about, if not this idea, then the ramifications of splitting. We were discussing how someone like Putin can stay in power, or how I think it would be touchy to have joint protests against Trump in the U.S., even as his support falters across the board – because I couldn’t imagine republicans with morals, disaffected MAGA, democrats, and leftists on the same side of a picket line.
  
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KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
None of us want to live in a war-torn state. That’s why I and most others voted for harm reduction. What we’re facing now is terrorism. The USAmerican people are being terrorized by federal forces.

People are not calling for violence for a economic policy we don’t like, which is what the first USA Civil War was fought over. We’re dealing with federal forces who are hell-bent on terrorizing us. What politically-aware people have been calling for, for the better part of a year, is the next degree of harm reduction. Targeted political assassinations. Fighting ICE agents. Storming the capital, perhaps. With each month, this government gets more empowered and more violent.

War is awful. Violence terrorizes people. I have severe C-PTSD from the police response to the BLM riots in 2021, still. I have vivid nightmares, still. I understand, and I felt that when I saw Trump take office. I felt that watched that university student get abducted by ICE at the beginning of this mess. I felt that with every clip out of Minnesota.

We all know war is terrible. No one thinks the USA going through a Civil War will be exciting. People see violence and they want it to stop, and they see massive peaceful movements that have not worked, in the face of a government that shows no hesitation in threatening or attacking its people.

What is the alternative? We let federal agents keep shooting and abducting people until some magical aspect of Democracy manifests and pushes them out? How do we actually envision that happening? What do we do for the three years until our next presidential election? Every person who is killed, abducted, disappeared is a life permanently lost.

For those who talk about peaceful protests and voting the fascists out, how do you expect to win elections when your voters are being killed? It’s not just the ICE agents, either, though they certainly are violent. Consider: Layoffs, Homelessness, Imprisonment, Emigration, Suicide. The people here today are not going to be the same people here in three years.

The reality is, the people of the USA are under violent occupation. We are living the terrors of war. Violence does not require mutual-consent; and when only one side chooses to fight, you end with a massacre. That is what we have been living through – a slow-rolling massacre. No one knows what will stop this, but maybe, just maybe, ICE agents would think twice before going on deployment if half of the last three squads never made it home.

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- sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  While I generally agree with everything you’ve said…
  
  This, what we have right now?
  
  The early access alpha preview of what could potentially happen.
  
  Try and imagine an actual artillery strike or JDAM strike on your neighborhood, or, all the water stops working safely due to either a treatment plant getting blown up or intentionally sabotaged and poisoned.
  
  Oh you live in an enemy city, its could this winter, hot this summer?
  
  Click, boom. No more power for ya’ll, have fun.
  
  … it can get so, so much worse than what we are seeing right now.
  
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  - KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is all true, to which I ask, what is the alternative? I’m afraid that the future of the USA is one of two options: the authoritative oppression of fascism, or the chaotic hellscape of war. Both are intolerably violent. Fascism is targeted and ruthless; War is broad and destructive.
    
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- michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  what the first Civil War was fought over Slaves. Literal human resources were right up their with land as far as property value and ability to continue to earn future value. Enshrining slaves as property forever is virtually the only difference in the confederate constitution.
  
  Lincoln was the first presidential ticket with a northern pres and vp at a time when we deliberately had an equal number of southern and northern states and a bunch of territories to be brought into the union out west. Previously it was possible for a southern pres or vp to enforce this fake equality that couldn’t last because the pres could veto and the vp could vote to break a tie. Once you break that tie you can’t put it back you can now add more northern states without issue.
  
  What were they worried about losing as they lost ground in the house and senate again? Their property and future earnings from that property. It’s popular to quote Lincoln saying he would free none or all of the slaves if he could save the union but that doesn’t tell you what the war was about. They went to war so they could keep their slaves and We went the war so we could keep the southern states instead of having an enemy on our doorstep.
  
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  - Aqarius@lemmy.world ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    To be fair, you also went to war because the fuckers shot first.
    
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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’ve called this out too, and somebody called my comment “gamerslop bullshit” just because I had one sentence that pointed out that real war isn’t like call of duty.

The person who commented that didn’t realize the irony that the “gamerslop bullshit” implicit in the warmongering/romanticization of violence is precisely what I was calling out.

People these days will accuse you of anything you criticize them for. Like, you pointed it out so clearly you’re the one doing it. It’s so illogical.

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- SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  People in the US have been protected from the reality of war since the civil war in the 1860s. Even vets (a very small minority) of real wars get to come home at the end of it. The reality would be more like Vietnam or Syria were the war is your home and there is no escape. It is like the war against vaccines, people have forgotten the reality of life with those diseases and take the return of them very lightly.
  
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  - wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, someone who’s witnessed the devastation of war might say “You don’t want that, you really don’t understand what you’re calling for” and someone who’s never seen combat outside of video games and movies would say something like “You might be a coward, but I’m not.”
    
    Like, dude, until those first bullets fly over your head, you don’t know how you’re going to react. When you’re getting shelled, and explosions are happening so close the shock wave alone can give you a concussion, when fighter jets and bombers fly overhead and all you can do is wonder whether you’ll still be alive and intact five minutes from now, when communications and supply chains break down, food is scarce, clean water hard to come by, when the power grid goes down and you have to weather extreme temperatures in the summer and winter, when chaos reigns and you have to wonder every time you see a person whether they’re gonna try to kill you, when you have to ration supplies so you don’t run out, and have to avoid patrols of armored vehicles and evade detection 24/7 or risk getting bombed by drones, and when there’s no end in sight but the slog goes on and on and on, night and day, without relenting, and you have to wonder how much longer you’ll have to go on like this, how much longer you can go on like this, when every day when the sun rises you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it set, and every night when the sun sets you don’t know if you’ll be alive to see it rise, if you’ve been through all that hell on earth and haven’t shit your pants, and still think it’s a worthwhile tradeoff to avoid having to vote for an imperfect candidate, then sure, maybe you have room to talk.
    
    In real war, you can’t power down when you’re done playing. And if you have people you care about, then multiply hell by a thousand, because chances are you won’t be able to keep in contact and you’ll have to wonder every minute of every day whether they’re having it any better or worse than you are, while you’re utterly helpless to protect them because all you can do is fight to keep yourself alive another day.
    
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Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What OP doesn’t mention is that the memes are gonna be so on point!!

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- Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Finally. A comment about something that will actually happen.
  
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  - Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I mean, I’m not joking, a good portion of humans need humor in the darkest hours, and creativity is boosted by all kinds of overwhelming emotions & chemicals.
    
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asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The first U.S. civil war never really ended, it has just gone into a long “cold” phase.

Those times are ending.

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- tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I could’ve ended if they hadn’t given so many concessions to the slavers, but they let that shit fester and grow and now the whole country is the fucking nazi bar.
  
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delial@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.

My uncle that served in Iraq still wakes up screaming in the night. He’s a shell of the man he used to be. Another vet my age I knew was absolutely erratic after serving. He couldn’t hold a job and ended up homeless and assaulted someone for their spot under a bridge.

My whole family bears the scars of the PTSD from what my grandfather saw from WWII. He also woke up screaming for years afterward.

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- jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I had an old buddy who served in Vietnam. One time I asked him what it was like to kill someone. I’ll never forget his answer.
  
  “You know, when you’ve got your rifle trained on somebody, there for a split second you’ve got the power of God in your hands. You get to decide if that person lives or dies. Nobody should have that kind of power. I only wish I had known that before I had done things that I couldn’t undo.”
  
  He said he still had nightmares all the time, even 45 years later.
  
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  - sopularity_fax@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Do you think any kind of redemption can be palpably experienced by such folk?
    
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AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My roommate watched a woman get dragged from her car, bleeding and screaming for help, being disappeared by ICE. They were recording and I’ve seen the video. I’ll probably never forget it. I carry a whistle now but I pray I’ll never need it. We’re like two weeks into whatever the fuck this is and I’m already sick of it. I’m tired of running to the window every time I hear a car alarm, I’m tired of wondering if I hear the wind or a whistle. I’m tired of worrying about more people I know getting abducted, and scrutinizing every vehicle that drives past if they’re going to fuck with me because I’m visibly queer and also trying not to be mistaken for the gestapo occupying my city. Is this an occupation? And I know war is worse. Fuck all of this.

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- percent@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  What’s the whistle for? I think I may be out of the loop on this.
  
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  - tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Lots of people are carrying whistles to blow if they see ICE, with the effect of calling more people with whistles to the scene to surround /harrass/confused ICE, and additionally warning neighborhoods of ICE presence.
    
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  - Widdershins@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s not much different from a rape whistle I would guess
    
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myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Forget civil war. Mass protests in the US would look like what is happening in Iran.

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- tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  www.generalstrikeus.com forget initiating bloodshed, sign a strike card. In a world of paramilitary forces and drone capabilities, this is our true power.
  
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- HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Doubtful, the average American doesn’t have the cardio to walk that long. It would be a bunch of cars honking while the driver watches football on the phone and eats cheeseburgers.
  
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eli@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
So everyone will be killing everyone, but you still think people are going to go to their jobs to pay bills?

If a civil war happens, no one is going to work. Anyone that does will get gunned down.

If anything pops off, my first priority is protecting my family, which means staying home and barricading and waiting a few days before leaving to do recon.

From there either we’ll know if police, national guard, and/or the military will be involved. What states are doing what, and you’ll have local families/communities forming.

Money won’t be a thing, no one is going to work.

Which is why a civil war won’t happen, it’ll crash the economy globally and the 1% can’t have that, so all of this is moot.

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- Sektor@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Croatia was at war for 4 years, my dad still worked, my aunt worked in school, we went to school, we had refugees from the war zone and Bosnia. Croatia is tiny and the war was contained to 1/3 of the country. Where the combat is you have nothing, 20 km away people still do normal things. Even in Ukraine things function “normally” outside the combat zone. In US it might be a different game. The country is enormous and it’s not divided by ethnicities, the fight is about gaining power, not land. It will go more like a coup thing. Couple of weeks while things go crazy and waiting which way the army will turn. Than it will be over.
  
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- BastingChemina@slrpnk.net ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  People are still going to work in Ukraine, they are still paying bill and still need money for that.
  
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  - eli@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Ukraine isn’t a civil war.
    
    And OP is describing the purge one minute and then a normal Monday morning the next.
    
    Again, no one in the US would be going to work if it was going purge style once the shit hits the fan. I have everyone of all walks of life around me(Dems, conservatives, white people, Mexicans, Asians, etc). Someone, somewhere, will be crazy enough to start driving around in giant pickup trucks and start shooting anyone that is “too brown”.
    
    I’m not risking that happening to me or my family. I will force everyone to be home for a week before things calm down.
    
    We’ve already had domestic terrorists hit our power grids and Jan 6th happened. You don’t think once a “civil war” happens things aren’t going to get worse immediately?
    
    “But everyone has bills to pay” cool, and there are more guns than people in the US, something Ukraine didn’t have to deal with because they’re a sane country.
    
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  - TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Peaky easy obvious counterexamples!
    
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- evol@lemmy.today ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You have a idea of war informed by Hollywood and WW2 documentaries, life is both more normal and more deadly than you think.
  
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  - Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’ve heard someone say that war is actually mostly really boring with minutes of intense action sprinkled here and there.
    
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- Perspectivist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not everyone’s gonna start killing everyone. People will still go to work, money will still be a thing. Barricading your home will be pointless - this isn’t a zombie apocalypse we’re talking about.
  
  It’ll look more like terrorism than actual war. Assassinations, bombings, and mass shootings driven by politics will get way more common, but for most people, life will more or less stay the same.
  
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- Stern@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Which is why a civil war won’t happen, it’ll crash the economy globally and the 1% can’t have that, so all of this is moot.
  
  I feel like Donald would mysteriously hang himself and Vance would be full appeasement mode real fast.
  
  That said, we also thought Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine after the 2014 (iirc) treaty and well…
  
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- Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  first thing would probably thinking of a way to flee to canada or mexico as “illegal alien”
  
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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
See also:

Syria, for roughly the last decade.

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SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I would prefer peace. But let’s be frank, that isn’t likely to happen, because the Trump Regime consists of people who don’t value a peaceful, kind, and just world.

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- 14specks@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The other hand of the issue is the Democrats have repeatedly failed to recognize and manage the necessary decline of capitalism. It’s “necessary” because capitalism had globalized and essentially run out of land and people too exploit.
  
  Exploited countries will push (are pushing) back, and/or look for other options (China, etc). Because the Democratic party is a pro-capitalism party, they are unable to recognize this situation. Republicans recognize it and turn up the heat, both internally and externally. For a lot of (foolish) Americans, this looks like an appealing option.
  
  The democrats could sweep 2028, but it means the snapback is going to be even more intense in 2032 when they fail to govern.
  
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Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I doubt that America as we know it can survive, period. There needs to be a change - whether that's about wealth classes, political beliefs, or various -isms. We can't use a system that was intentionally broken to fix things. The words of slavers from 250 years ago are too weak. The way that things have developed across the regions of this massive, unwieldy, federation needs amendment.

Unfortunately, right now the pendulum is swinging hard in one direction. There's no meaningful fighters on the other side. So us little people have to cling to hope - and that hope is increasingly looking like it has to come from force, and from the barrel of a gun.

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- orgrinrt@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s simply too much centralized power there. You need something more of a union of independent states with very limited “federal” power, much like the EU. Sure, there will never be a clean consensus on anything, but at least there’s no chance a single grifter can seize so much power to wield that they can basically just do whatever to whoever within the federation and beyond.
  
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  - Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    We had that briefly, but it's been decreasing steadily since the 1870s.
    
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DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think there’s gonna be a lot of Asian American stores getting looted if this happens.

Asian diasporas are always considered the universal “soft target”, I mean just read the news.

We’d have LA Riots all over again, law enforcement will leave us to die while racist mobs lynch us.

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Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s too late, it’s already starting to happen. People are already having to dodge ice just while going to work, Charlie Kirk literal got sniped while at work.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

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eightpix@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Im glad you’ve said this. Before I saw The Death of Yugoslavia, I honestly believed that modern warfare was clean, clinical, and restricted to willing combatants. That the Geneva Conventions, various constitutional statements, and human honour and decency were a part of modern wars. At least since Vietnam.

No. I was disabused of that notion by this documentary. Yes, I agree, the BBC shouldn’t have the last word on a war in Eastern Europe. The BBC probably shouldn’t have the last word on anything. However, they did happen to have the first word — to me — on the importance of understanding how modern wars get started, how they progress, and chillingly, why they don’t end. It’s a sad, slow, solemn march into oblivion.

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rimu@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
More like This War of Mine, maybe.

A game so depressing I stopped playing.

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Lucky_777@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think the country splits into multiple nations before a true all out conflict. Maybe a 4 part split.

Old South Northeast Some kind of Texas southern alliance with other states in the Louisiana purchase Northwest and Pacific coast.

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