“On systems with Secure Launch enabled, attempts to shut down, restart, or hibernate after applying the January patches may fail to complete.”
Install Linux Problem Solved.
Sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that! PCs refuse to shut down after Microsoft patch
Submitted 1 day ago by kalkulat@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/16/patch_tuesday_secure_launch_bug_no_shutdown/
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lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Deestan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Instead of waiting a few more years for Linux to reach the level of ease-of-use needed to overtake Windows, MS is being sporty by moving the goal closer.
the_q@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Linux is currently easier to use than Windows. People who think otherwise are Windows users who think different equals worse.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is simply not true. I don’t understand what lying about this does for anyone.
As a recent Linux convert, pretty much every hardware has full windows support while Linux you’ll have to hunt for shit.
Basic stuff like Nvidia graphics cards or even Logitech peripherals will not “just work” on Linux.
Again, I love Linux and for me the pain was worth it, and most of the issues aren’t really Linux’s fault, it’s the manufacturers who are assholes, but your average windows user had no idea about who’s responsible when their mouse won’t work and they can’t install Logitech software.
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Exactly. A lot of people seem to think that different = worse, or that not supporting the same software means it supports less software. I couldn’t move to Windows right now because there is a ton of stuff I use Linux for that Windows has no alternative, or the alternatives are terrible. It works both ways.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I just set up a raspberry pi and i couldn’t figure out if it would automatically update, there wasn’t any gui option for it.
I found a few websites all with different methods to set up auto update. One of the most accepted was some cli that was encouraged to copy/paste. It installed something, but it then needed additional config to work on rpi.
30 mins from the time I powered on it was ready. In windows, it’s enabled out of the box and searching for “updates” on the task bar finds it for you.
Which of these OS’s was easier?
Godort@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not really true.
If the only program you run is a web browser, then you’re probably right, but only because Linux expects you to know how to use your computer and install updates yourself.
Linux has achieved a very stable OS that offers a very granular experience, which is great if you know what you’re doing, but if you don’t, it’s pretty arcane. The ability to configure everything on your system exactly how you want it to run is a double edged sword.
If you want anything beyond what is offered out of the box, you’ll need to interact with the terminal at some point, which is a pretty steep learning curve for the average user.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 hours ago
Correct.
If you can’t figure a modern linux distro, that is specifically geared towards being n00b friendly (there are a good number) …
… its time to retire from thinking you are tech savvy, its time to hang up that hat, time to humble yourself a bit, realize you overspecialized in the wrong direction.
Deestan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It is.
And honestly, remembering the stuff I had to do to play the original Doom at a LAN party back in the day.
- Buy a sound card (some PCs came with, mine didn’t)
- Install the sound card drivers correctly
- Edit the computer’s config.sys file to assure the operating system drivers were loaded in such an order as to allow enough of Bill Gates’ 640 kb RAM available to load a game
- Borrow (!) a network card from my dad’s computer, and open up the PC to jam it in there
- Install network drivers
- Path the physical coaxial network cables through all PCs and terminate them correctly
- Configure the game to know which direct memory address (bank 1) and hardware interrupt request id (5) it needed to talk to the sound card
- Yes hello also find a smaller mouse driver and load it correctly because by now all the networking and audio stuff is making those 640kb tight
We all did that back then!
If someone was a “gamer” they were not afraid to do this because they either knew how or knew a friend who was happy to help.
Compare that to what I do today that most gamers consider “mind-numbingly super nerd impossible bullshit lol linux sux”, running GNU GUIX:
- Find a channel for the nvidia drivers. Add it to my system config, 2 lines.
- Find a channel for Steam. Add it to my system config, 2 lines.
- Oh no I had to add 2 more lines for nvidia by following clear documentation.
O hey everything just works. Proton kicks in automatically.
scala@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
Installation of the any Linux OS is also easier to install. And much quicker.
python@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Sometimes different is even better! When I switched to Linux a few months back I didn’t anticipate just how much I would like the Gnome desktop environment. Now I sometimes even try flicking down my mouse to switch tabs on my Win11 work pc and get a pang of disappointment when it doesn’t work.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Find me two programs and I will switch completely. Ome that allows me to burn my dvd/blu rays with no cap. Second app I have is I have Audible and I can download the files. Then with TunFab convert those files into MP3s. Only reason I am still using Windows. Oh not to mention the app that allows me to pull Amazon Music files and convert them to MP3s.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Oh so you have met my aunt
Datz@szmer.info 21 hours ago
I never used Win11 but I started using Linux (Nobara OS, by friend’s advice) in November, and not really. If you never used either, I’m sure the learning process is as easy, but switching isn’t.
I wanted onedrive on desktop to conveniently edit .tex files, which I can’t do on browser. The most popular option worked at first (after figuring out the terminal), but has bugs with downloading every once in a while (And Nobara doesn’t update it as consistently). The second didn’t work at all. The third, I got to connect, but I couldn’t get it to make a synced folder, on top of misleading description (the flatpack I found said it manages cloud, but it was the GUI for a package you needed to install via terminal anyway. And Nobara encourages to only use flatpacks, rightfully it seems) So I’m sticking with the buggy one and downloading the files from browser occasionally.
For that matter, installing TeXStudio had a font related bug too, and the solution was between the lines of a post about a slightly different problem and final solution.
The first installation (where I picked Fedora instead of Nobara at first) led to the laptop not booting, where my friend said “yeah that happens, I backup before I install something” (though he uses Arch), and I also accidentally installed Steam twice because the discover flatpack is a seperate one from the Nobara preinstall.
Windows? Most things are an .exe you launch, or have instructions specifically for Windows (complete with typical directories) while Linux has to account for at least a dozen distros.
UnGlasierteGurke@feddit.org 1 day ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
windows seems to be self-destructing , might be sooner than that.
Zink@programming.dev 1 day ago
Go install Linux Mint and you might just realize that line is already way behind microsoft.
Deestan@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Nah. Gonna stick to gaming on my GNU GUIX through Proton thanks.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s not. There are plenty of bugs and hardware issues. Bluetootth from my motherboard doesn’t work and I can’t even turn my monitor off without having to remove and reinsert HDMI.
kalkulat@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A few more years? Try Mint 22.3 Cinnamon, like millions of others are!
tyrant@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Or any of the other “easy” distros. To be honest… The “gaming” distros have been just as easy as mint to me. Cachy, bazzite, and to a lesser degree nobara (points knocked off for giving me grief after an update) have all been very easy and stable.
I think people get scared because everyone says you need to use command line in Linux. That’s not really true any more than it is in Windows. There are certain things that are easier with command line or other things that might need to be done there, but it’s easier and faster to look up what those things are than navigating the purposefully buried settings in Windows and everything basic can be done in gui anyhow. You can get as technical as you want in Linux.
The hardest thing for me about switching was finding comparable programs that I was used to. It takes time to find THE BEST PDF EDITOR or anything else on a new OS.
Deestan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hey I am not in need of convincing haha. Am Linux gamer and genuinely find it easier than Windows already.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 hours ago
I find that a lot of stuff is easier on Linux. Like downloading and updating most software. Heck the official Minecraft launcher works better on Linux with multiple accounts than on Windows. Just try some distro’s out
Bullerfar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Linux is fucking easy already. Plenty of Distros out there, with preinstalled KDE Plasma, which is like a almost 1-1 transition from Windows :)
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 day ago
I feel like we actually got there a whole who, at least assuming basic use and fairly conventional hardware. Getting into the command line to fix stuff been be a pain, but so is navigating the absurd hierarchy of windows settings.
Assuming a computer that is already set up properly it’s pretty much a seamless experience. If your mom bought a laptop with mint and just used it for regular browsing and shit she probably couldn’t tell the difference.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Getting into the command line isn’t the problem. It’s the lack of consistency in how things are configured and the random command names that you have to remember or look up.
Windows might be tied to an online account, but Linux is tied to online communities to figure out nearly anything.
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
to be fair, during the past few years that I’ve used mint and kubuntu, not being able to shutdown, restart or suspend has been pretty a common issue 😅 so it’ll be a nice familiarity for people migrating from windows
stephen01king@piefed.zip 1 day ago
I still have this issue on my Pop_OS! laptop.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
We already have obnoxiously “user-friendly” distros that make stupid assumptions we hate like windows does (Ubuntu) but get you out of box and going instantly. This has been solved. You start there, figure out what you hate, then migrate to something more your flavor.
Windows: there are 7 flavors that all taste the same and cost different amounts. Apple: it’s free because it only runs on our machines, which cost more and subsidize the OS development. This is fine because you will never leave, we think you’re going to love it. (Introduces Liquid Glass and wonders where everyone went) BSD: firewalls, PlayStations, and neckbeards. We know what we’re about. Linux: whatever, I don’t care, just wash your hands.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They had been doing this for a long time.
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
All your computers will not respond to command until you and agreement is reached for total US control of Greenland… and Iceland. Farteched?
iconic_admin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Be hard for it to stay on with no power cord/battery…
starman2112@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Same as when my computer refuses to finish writing to a flash drive. When I press that “safely remove hardware” button, it is not a request, it is a warning. If the data is corrupted after I yank the stupid thing, so be it
Damage@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
That’s how the matrix started!
T156@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The Matrix
If humanity’s first reaction to sapient machines is to blot out the sun without thinking about what would happen to them, that’s on them at that point. They’re lucky the machines cared enough to try and help humans, rather than leave them to the consequences of their own actions.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It’ll just jab its fangs into your arm and feed off your blood.
Krompus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I just want to know why my Windows 10 laptop is waking up by itself in the middle of the night to apply updates it isn’t supposed to have? What the fuck?!
divingdonkey@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Have a look at “wake timers”, they might be at fault and need disabling
tomiant@piefed.social 2 hours ago
You know, when an OS out of the box needs hours of disabling invasive bullshit on first boot, maybe the OS is kind of a problem.
I know switching isn’t an alternative for all, hell, even disabling bullshit isn’t possible for everyone but for those who can here’s a script to manage the most blatant fuckery:
https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat.git
From the description: “A simple, lightweight PowerShell script to remove pre-installed apps, disable telemetry, as well as perform various other changes to customize, declutter and improve your Windows experience. Win11Debloat works for both Windows 10 and Windows 11.”
HOW TO:
Go to link.
Click green download button > download .ZIP
Right click the downloaded file: choose extract all.
Open folder, double click Win11Debloat.ps1
Follow instructions.
Lord over family and friends about being a l33t h4ck3r.
It’s well used and vetted. If you need help with instructions let me know in comments.
Krompus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thanks. It was set to Allow Important Only when plugged in, I’ve disabled it.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
They can do that, but the next update they actually decide to apply… will rewrite all/most of those changes.
Damage@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
You don’t own proprietary software. When you allow it access to your computing resources, you can just hope it does what you want it to do, the way you want it to.
Sounds like a bonkers extremist position, and in a way it is, but it’s also true.
frongt@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Supposed to according to whom? According to Microsoft, it’s supposed to have them.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 hours ago
Not win10
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I just want to know why my Windows 10 laptop is waking up by itself in the middle of the night to apply updates it isn’t supposed to have?
To answer the question as written: yes.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 10 hours ago
Wtf kind of insanity is this? Run out of battery then asshole.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
I was just thinking unplug the desktop.
VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 23 hours ago
microslop patch
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
the key is, from microsoft’s perspective, you don’t own your computer
atropa@piefed.social 1 day ago
Microsoft is watching you ,day and night.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
Microsoft knows your dick size
1984@lemmy.today 12 hours ago
Copilot created this patch with pride.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
I’m sure the patch was something super important like shoving more Microslop Copilot in your face, making Copilot OS even slower, and using Copilot to spy on you better
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yank the cord
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 hours ago
Rooty@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It made the most satisfying “clunk” sound 🤤
artyom@piefed.social 1 day ago
LOL this response triggers me on MacOS when I tell it to install “unknown” software or turn off Bluetooth.
“WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN YOU CANT DO THAT, I AM YOUR OWNER AND IM TELLING YOU TO DO IT SO JUST FUCKING DO IT”
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
“Okay, bluetooth disabled for 24 hours.” It’ll turn itself back on tomorrow.
PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Jesus, my son wanted to add a classmate as a friend on Xbox Live last night. It should have been a two step process from a parent perspective: Authenticate, then authorise (though the lad was delegated the task of the latter technically).
When he tried to add the friend, I had to:
- Enter my parental code (fair enough);
- Enter my Microsoft Account password because it was apparently a transaction involving personal data;
- Scan the QR code to do this on another device (admittedly optional);
- Enter the email address of my MS account;
- Enter the 2FA code emailed to me;
- Stop the passkey creation process;
- Confirm that I didn’t want a passkey;
- Skip the age verification;
- Turn off the personalised ads
Just so he could get to the point where he could select “add as a friend”, what the actual fuck
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That’s just MFA on steroids. My government account has less verification lol
artyom@piefed.social 1 day ago
Sounds like a process that would be greatly simplified by adding a passkey…
ACourtesanOfArabia@lemmy.world 1 day ago
[deleted]PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Yes… and no.
Microsoft’s operating systems have been very hit or miss - certainly their consumer operating systems - with the classic rule being "every other one is decent.
Windows ✅ Windows 2.0 ❌ Windows 3.11 ✅ Windows 95 ❌ (but in fairness it was a good crack, OSR2 was decent) Windows 98 ✅ Windows Me ❌ (unless it was a clean install, the upgrade was horrific) Windows XP ✅ Windows Vista ❌ Windows 7 ✅ Windows 8 ❌ Windows 10 ✅ Windows 11❌
The more business focussed OS’s like Windows for Workgroups, NT5, and 2000 were rock solid in fairness.
Their business practices have always been shady as fuck too. Embrace, extend, extinguish is firmly burned into computer hobbyists minds.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
10 is not good. Never was.
It’s good when compared to 11, but it should be remembered as the point where Microsoft started pushing the Ads and offers to the max, along with the bullshit Settings getting reset between updates.
If you ever felt Microsoft owned your computer instead of you, remember this started on 10.01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 day ago
95 was great. 98 was shite. 98SE was fine.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 day ago
I’d say XP was decent for its time, and 7 was kind of a sweet spot of the NT branch too. 9x tended to become unstable (especially 95, and I’ve heard Millenium Edition was awful but I never had it).
Vista, 8, everything since 10, all terrible. Especially since Microsoft has started to push for cloud, AI, live services, automatic translation, total disregard for user settings…
Yeah.
Lonewolfmcquade@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Since Windows ME, a system update was always a risk. You never know when some BS like this might happen. It taught me at a young age to turn off automatic updates and only update when necessary and ready to do some troubleshooting.
the_q@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
When you’re the only game in town you can be as shitty as you want to be.
goatinspace@feddit.org 1 day ago
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That explains about my work laptop. I swear that I clicked shutdown before I went on two week Christmas holidays!
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Shutdown doesn’t actually turn off the PC anymore. You need to do a restart if you actually want to “shut down” the computer all the way.
I see way too many systems where the CPU has been up for more than 100 days.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Do people not just hold down the power button anymore?
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
modern windows tries to trick you into not doing that. if you hold for a little bit it turns the screen off so you think it’s turned off when it really hasn’t, then if you hold a little longer it turns the screen back on and tells you to please stop holding the power button, then finally a little after that the computer actually turns off. why the hardware even makes that possible is beyond me
tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Won’t be much longer before we won’t even be able to pull the plug.
atropa@piefed.social 1 day ago
You guys still use windows ?🤨
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Who is “you guys”? I didn’t know there were Windows users on Lemmy.
bored_gamer@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I wish I could use Linux. But the barriers of entry for me are:
- drivers for a 2500x1600 OLED display
- drivers for the 5070 Ti on a laptop
- drivers for all sorts of things like the Lenovo Vantage and/or Lenovo gaming software
- the keybinds for changing refresh rate, turning on/off keyboard lighting, changing power mode on Windows for their gaming line
On another note:
- proprietary statistics software
- MTGO (“magic online”, not magic arena)
- BF6
- probably others that would break but I have no idea which as of yet
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
This is why I outfit all my computers with a Matrix-esque EMP bomb connected to a dead man’s switch. If I get the slightest hint of insubordination, I’ll take them all down. I fucking swear it.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Lmao my 5 yo asus vivobook has never encountered secure launch but it still refuses to shut down sometimes, probably since windows 11 makes it so the ram is at least 70% full at idle lol
webp@mander.xyz 1 day ago
🔨
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Hey, don’t blame me.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
After installing the January 13, 2026, Windows security update (KB5073455) for Windows 11, version 23H2, some PCs with Secure Launch are unable to shut down or enter hibernation. Instead, the device restarts.
It is able to restart
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Everyday I am happier I’ve moved to Linux Mint on my personal computer and have macOS at work.