4 reasons Plex is turning into the thing it replaced

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨43⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  1. It’s a commercial product, what else could you expect?

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Should be a full stop with “profit”. All the shitty things that go with companies chasing it.

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• Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  One reason: It’s not FOSS, and because of that, the Capitalist profit motive will always push the creators towards enshitification.

  The same forces act upon FOSS too, but the difference is that FOSS has structural immunity built into it. If the software enshitifies, it can be forked and maintained by a community that values software freedom.

  We’ve seen it happen time and again. Terraform, CentOS, RHEL, The Xen Hypervisor, etc. When companies try to take freedom away from FOSS, they fail, because their users and maintainers are empowered by FOSS licenses (especially restrictive ones like the GPL) and can fight back.

  With proprietary software, the users are powerless, only the owners have control.

  Don’t trust promises, good intentions, or corporate slogans. Trust free software and the open ecosystems they thrive in.

  PS, Jellyfin is amazing ❤️

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  • tomkatt@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I just need Jellyfin to fix their subtitles issues on Apple TV and I’ll be all set. Swiftfin needs some work yet, though I’m told the fix is in the pipeline for release soon^T^M (probably by Q1 next year?).

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• Doorknob@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If they were going to get enshittified, they should’ve been smarter about it to gradually introduce lock-in. The switching cost of going to Jellyfin is almost zero. Did it in an afternoon about a year ago. Ya done goofed, Plex

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• Korne127@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Jellyfin is great :D

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  • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Does jellyfin have an easy way for remote streaming? I have a couple dozen people on my Plex server, most not very tech savvy, so setting up tailscale and running remote that way isn’t an option. I have a Plex pass so I haven’t been screwed by Plex yet, so I’m not rushing to get out, but I could see myself running both.

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    • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes-ish, it’s harder for you than the users. But you will have to secure a URL and they will have to remember that URL. Also there’s some security issues with some unsecured endpoints on Jellyfin. That said I have mine out there exposed to the net and am comfortable enough with it.

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    • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      no, tailscale is still the easiest option.

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    • priapus@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You could just get a domain and set up a reverse proxy.

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    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I set mine up with HAProxy for TLS offloading and ACME for the server cert. Restrict your access to just your country/region by GeoIP and you are pretty good to go.

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    • oakey66@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I moved away from plex as well. I do have remote access but had to set up Tailscale on the accounts that access it. It’s a bit of a hassle initially but works well.

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  • stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’d love Jellyfin if not for their incredibly infuriating seek behaviour. Why do I have to press play to start the video again?

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    • Codilingus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In case this helps, for me when I use it on Android TV with said TV’s remote, the arrow buttons on the direction pad for anything require pressing play/OK button after. But if I use the fast forward buttons, it does seek and then just keeps playing.

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    • binarytobis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      For me I just want a fast forward button. They have something they call fast forward, but it seeks instead.

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  • ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Except the sync / group watch feature is pretty broken which makes me sad

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  • ITGuyLevi@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Agreed! I stayed with Plex for a long time because Jellyfin had a rough time with live TV (antenna) and I already had a PlexPass because of a sale a long time ago. Now Plex is only still running because I love Plexamp.

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    • orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Dude, yeah. Plexamp had me keeping my server up far longer than I should have.

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    • black_flag_astronaut@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I struggled to find a decent plexamp replacement and ended up using symphonium, if you’re looking for any suggestions. Its been working out pretty well with jellyfin.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No, it’s not.

    sora.chatgpt.com/…/s_6929fca431708191ad097a7679ac…

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    • priapus@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No shot you linked to fucking sora

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  • dangling_cat@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    For the love, as a Plex alternative, they don’t even have a native app on all major tv stores. It should be a P1 feature. I would throw money at them if they get Apple TV support. Right now, there are no functional apps running on the latest Apple TV OS.

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    • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      For the love, as a Plex alternative, they don’t even have a native app on all major tv stores. It should be a P1 feature.

      Are you really bitching this hard about a completely free and open source project?

      It’s not technology or finances that kill most FOSS projects and burn out the devs. It’s this kind of shitty entitled unappreciative demanding attitude from users.

      As others have pointed out, there are fully functional and good quality frontends available, such as Swiftfin.

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    • priapus@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Swiftfin?

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    • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I haven’t used apple tv in a few years, but like, swiftfin worked just fine for me??

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    • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I believe Infuse has Jellyfin support on Apple TV. But they want like £100 for a lifetime license or £2 a month / £13 a year.

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  • Foni@chachara.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The way you switch between two servers you own is more than inconvenient; it’s what keeps Plex in my life.I wish things would change because everything else is better.

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    • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Thats how I describe Jellyfin, it works fine, its just inconvenient to use.

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    • naticus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s why I use Emby. Paid for lifetime within a day of switch from Plex (which I also have has lifetime for like a decade) because it has a ton of plugins that have been useful and has a cloud server switch function.

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  • kratoz29@lemmy.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just to think of replacing the mount points in the docker container from Plex to Jellyfin (in order for it to read my Riven and Decypharr symlinks) scares me… Mostly because after I finish a docker project my mind seems to go blank lol.

    At least they still kinda honour the Plex Pass lifetime users…

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      At least they still kinda honour the Plex Pass lifetime users…

      for now.

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• dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m going to call it like I saw it, a very long time ago.

  <rant>

  You have an “open” product that is basically purpose built to make data hoarding and piracy practical, yet it requires a login with a central service. I don’t care what justification anyone thinks makes that worthwhile or even a good compromise. Signaling to any corporate entity that you’re in possession of such a thing is a bad idea to begin with. They shouldn’t even know you exist. That information, along with anything else you do with the product is compromising to you and can be sold for money if aggregated with everyone else’s data.

  If you find this rant out of place in our modern world, I’d like to point to the concept of shifting baselines. This didn’t used to be normal and nothing short of greed continues the behavior. The technology before this ran/runs without anyone knowing. Consider VLC, or XBMC.

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  • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Jellyfin is a complete replacement for Plex

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Playing devil’s advocate, I understand one point of pressure: Plex doesn’t want to be perceived as a “piracy app.”

  See: Kodi. kodi.expert/…/mpaa-warns-increasing-kodi-abuse-po…

  To be blunt, that’s a huge chunk of their userbase. And they run the risk of being legally pounded to dust once that image takes hold.

  So how do they avoid that? Add a bunch of other stuff, for plausible deniability. And it seems to have worked, as the anti-piracy gods haven’t singled them out like they have past software projects.

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  To be clear, I’m not excusing Plex. But I can understand such an unspoken motivation.

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  • almost1337@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I wish more people understood this perspective

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s really nice of them to fight the good fight while I use Jellyfin instead.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You may (half) joke, but MPAA attention on Jellyfin would suck.

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    • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Which doesn’t have half the features and crap security compared to Plex/Emby.

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  • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There is that but it’s primarily that they’ve taken over 40 million dollars of venture capital. They are almost certainly under immense pressure to turn profitable asap and converting lifetime pass users into revenue streams somehow, converting new users into SaaS, etc are going to be things they pursue more aggressively.

    Don’t take the devils money if you don’t want the devils stipulations

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They’ve taken other measures as well. Nobody knows the details besides them, but they blocked an entire cloud provider called Hetzner because too many people were using it for pirate Plex servers. They absolutely have to maintain the image of being legitimate.

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  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Sure, apart from charging for remote access.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That serves the purpose too. It’s harder to pin Plex as an “illegal distribution service” when you have to pay for access, as means either the streamer or “distributor” can’t be very anonymous.

      On the other hand, the more money they squeeze out, the more they risk appearing as if they “make money from piracy,” which is exactly how you get the MPAA’s attention.

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    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Remote access via their servers.

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    • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Dynamic DNS does cost money. But not $8 a month. Development also costs money which falls under the $8 a month, but really not my problem, which is why I use Jellyfin. I used to run Plex off of my Nvidia shield, which was a cool gateway drug to self hosting and I’m grateful to them for that, but I like handling the technical stuff myself.

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• melfie@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I prefer open source, but if I’m buying proprietary software, let’s do it fairly and sustainably. Don’t charge me a 1-time fee and then enshittify what I bought because your business model isn’t working. On the other hand, don’t charge me multiple times for the same software with a subscription. The most fair arrangement to both of us is to sell perpetual licenses for a specific version that doesn’t restrict my usage or require me to use it online and then charge fees for newer versions. If your newer versions introduce massive improvements, then I might give you more money. It’s also fair to do free upgrades for a period of time and then charge for major upgrades.

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• obinice@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The thing it replaced… XBMC? O_o

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• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Goodness, how am I supposed to store and stream more entertainment than I could watch in a lifetime now?

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• boaratio@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Capitalism.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah, only one reason. It’s always capitalism.

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    • Tronn4@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Enshitification has entered the chat

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• sommerset@thelemmy.club ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Clients suck on non plex

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• opossumo@lemmings.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I never felt comfortable with Plex, glad I’ve got JellyFin.

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  • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    FYI, they never capitalise like that. It’s always Jellyfin, not JellyFin. They actually have a policy detailing it.

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  • e461h@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Indeed. Seems every week Plex takes some action to enshitify their service more and more.

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I hate headlines like this. I’d love to hear the REASONS WHY Plex are doing all of this. But no, it’s just “4 ways in which Plex now sucks” which we all know already.

  Before someone says “the reason is money” we need to ask: do the developers of Jellyfin not use money?

  Before someone says “enshittification,” we need to ask: does this mean Jellyfin will soon have the same problems?

  We all seem to love Jellyfin so I think we need to understand the actual reason why, or this will just continue happening.

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  • ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Plex took a significant degree of other people’s money, to the tune of over 40 million dollars. The people who gave said money were not kickstarter funders, donators, subscribers, etc but investors, who have an expectation that plex will move the company in a direction that makes them profitable enough to not only repay the 40+ million investment, but to then earn profits for a lengthy period (possibly in perpetuity) as they are stakeholders. This is the same thing that happened to Reddit (though Reddits scale and timeline was FAR more vast), openai, Google, literally every company ever basically.

    Jellyfin on the other hand has language on their contributions page that almost discourages financial support. This is because the only financial support they accept is donations, which are clearly explained are to support the free software and give no ownership stake. The software does not generate profit and donation does not equate to any kind of investment, other than supporting continued development. Expecting any kind of return on your part (again, other than the project continuing to move forward) is foolish. Lemmy is similar, as are many other FOSS projects.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Here you can see, what they do with the momey:
    opencollective.com/jellyfin

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  • Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I hate headlines like this. I’d love to hear the REASONS WHY Plex are doing all of this.

    1. Greed… do you really need 3 more?

    Before someone says “the reason is money” we need to ask: do the developers of Jellyfin not use money? Why won’t the same thing just happen to them too?

    Plex is a private company wanting money… Jellyfin is a voluteer-drive effort

    Before someone says “enshittification,” we need to ask: does this mean Jellyfin will soon have the same problems?

    Enshitification happens to privately develop products due to <checks notes> greed… Jellyfin is not a private company pushing a product for profit

    We all seem to love Jellyfin so I think we need to understand the actual reason why, or this will just continue happening.

    Back to “greed”

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      plus jellyfin is open source. if they start enshittifying, people can just fork it. That will keep them in line. Look what happened with emby. They’ve been sent to oblivion and no one even talks about them anymore.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      As predicted, a one-dimensional answer.

      Let’s say they want more money: they do have a healthy software subscriptions business. How can they get more by becoming the world’s tiniest streaming service? And won’t that cannibalize their subscriptions business as the experience gets shittier and shittier?

      Some actual “whys” within this would be things like (made up, but for example)

      1. the subscriptions business is dying - less than 1% of users ever buy a pass and efforts to increase that failed for (another reason here)

      2. streaming services are dumping cash into viewer acquisition because a war is on for dominance in that space and Pled is capitalizing on that

      3. Plex has high overlap with gamers and are making good money on midroll gaming ads during these streams

      4. Plex has legal concerns about facilitating piracy - this is the real reason why sync is shit and they killed watch together. They are desperately trying to pivot out of their old business before they get sued - OR all this streaming nonsense gives them a kind of fig leaf over that somehow

      See, issues can be complex and interesting. Just calling them greedy is neither. How is this the greedy play, even?

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  • BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Plex is a private company…

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• PhAzE@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Meh, I went into plex settings on the server and just turned off all the bloat. Its all on one page. Not a big deal.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I went into no settings on Jellyfin and everything stayed sane and the same.

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    • PhAzE@lemmy.ca ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Sure, but you also don’t have the option to use those features because they don’t exist in jellyfin.

      In my plex instance, I have discover enabled, and enabled all the streaming services so that discover is populated with all the movies and shows available. Then I have an automation setup so I can search in discover for a movie, and add it to my watchlist, and my automation will automatically download that movie and add it to my library.

      I can do it right from my couch, and its WAF approved. Using those bloat features against them, in a way.

      But, its just as easy to turn those all off if one doesn’t want to utilize them. I’d be annoyed if they forced them on permanently but that’s not what plex does, but they sure get a lot of hate for just having those features.

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      whoa, you mean you don’t want ads?? what is happening?!

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  • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What about the limits on remote streaming unless you pay?

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    • Amir@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I purchased a lifetime sub when it was on sale

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• Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The writing was on the wall when they started getting American VC money.

  American VC culture is anthenema to truly user focused products.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There’s only one reason, money.

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  • Tikiporch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    But it’s at least four $1.

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• Redtrax@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Stopped using Plex and moved to jellyfin around 12 months ago and have never looked back

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  • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have both but Jellyfin is not good with duplicates. Having several versions of movies in different languages just puts multiple copies of the movies in Jellyfin, with no distinction between them until you click into the details. Plex does this well with “Play version”.

    But Plex is worse for other reasons, on my LG TV. It’s painfully slow and doesn’t play the correct audio track that I select.

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Plex does this well with “Play version”.

      It does it even better with “editions”.

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    • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Don’t really tried it but they have support for dupes.
      You just need to name them correctly (too lazy to link the docs. Just look up versions in media library)

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    • AbidanYre@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      An mkv with multiple audio tracks would save you some storage space.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Same brother

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• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If jellyfin was easier to use and had the same options as jellyfin, id switch over. But I’ll keep my Plex lifetime pass as long as I can until they make all lifetime passes null in the next 2 years and make us all pay monthly.

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  • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If jellyfin was easier to use and had the same options as jellyfin

    Just guessing here, but I think it just might.

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• zephiriz@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  3 Things stope from using jellyfin 100% of the time.

  1)TV tuner is janky and loading a guide for local channels is garbage. I like watching the morning local news and jellyfin just does not cut it.

  2)I want sub accounts. They used to have something similar but took it out for security reasons. I want to log all my TVs into one account but then have each user select their profile. So I can easily have a restricted profile for say kids then another for my parents then one for me then one for SO under the same roof. It will track each persons watched profile so when someone watches ahead it doesn’t mess with someone else’s.

  3. On the same note, controller/ HTPC remote configs feel janky. I know its there but its not a smooth and easy as Plex. This goes along with above for anyone who says just make another account. You try entering half decent passwords with small HTPC remotes or controllers.

  If they could fix these things I would ditch Plex all the way. But as it stands I use Plex for my TV and jellyfin for my phones, tablets, PC.

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  • h0rnman@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You can already do number 2 (with some restrictions). You have to set up your networking tab correctly, use blank passwords, and uncheck “allow remote connections” for the “local” accounts. i have things set up so that external users are forced to log in and local users just pick a profile. If you also add your external users’ IP addresses to the LAN Networks box, they’ll be treated as an internal user too (though how you keep that up to date is a bit more challenging). It’s not precisely the Netflix experience but it works well enough for us

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  • modus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    TV tuner is janky and loading a guide for local channels is garbage. I like watching the morning local news and jellyfin just does not cut it.

    I DVR local stuff with Plex and play it back in Jellyfin.

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• finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s sad but at least it’s still competition where desperately needed.

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• kieron115@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sure, you can disable a lot of features from the home page, but even the remaining bits push you toward Plex’s ecosystem with things like recommendations. And I’ve even seen people complaining about needing to re-disable promotional content after updates. It’s simply a shady business.

  If anyone would care to tell me where I’m being pushed towards Plex’s ecosystem I’d love to understand what the flying fuck he’s talkin about. The only thing I could find that could generously be called part of the Plex “ecosystem” are the social features. Also I’ve had a server for 15 years and I’ve never had to re-do my customization from an update.

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• Twongo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  it is proprietary software behind a paywall… need i say more?

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• flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Plex has been off limits to me for along time. Just the fact they want to require auth with their central service for something I use for reasons rights holders would love to sue me into third world poverty over (muh Linux ISOs) is enough reason.

  Them demanding that auth hook into the server makes me uneasy about what sort of metatdata they are currently, or could exfiltrate later on, should they want to or be demanded to.

  Whole thing stinks of willingly being part of a honeypot.

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• owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  laughs in Jellyfin

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• Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There is only one reason. Greed.

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• Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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• Davel23@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Are all four reasons "money"?

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• barcaxavi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Not for me. Before Plex I was browsing folders on my TV and I actually had to organize everything, plus find and download matching subtitles. It sucked so much.

  I got into self hosting because of Plex and ran it on a 2015 Shield (both the server and the player) for ~8 years. Just moved the server to another machine this year. Still happy premium user.

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• EonNShadow@pawb.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I use Plex for audiobooks and TV shows primarily.

  The fact that you can’t (or at least can’t easily) scan library files from Plexamp is utterly insane to me. Especially after they made audio libraries completely unavailable on the regular Plex app.

  I’ll probably switch to Audiobookshelf or something else down the line.

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• Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You guys are still using plex? My media is all pirated anyway, I just make it publicly available on a webserver. Access control? Why would I care, I stole it.

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