I am really beginning to fucking hate AI. Like, before I just didn’t care for it, it just wasn’t really my interest. But now I’m really beginning to fucking despise that shit and I really can’t wait to see the “AI economy” completely fucking destroyed.
Crucial is shutting down — because Micron wants to sell its RAM and SSDs to AI companies instead
Submitted 2 weeks ago by tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/news/837594/crucial-ram-ssd-micron-ai
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buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So far, AI has cost me a few hobbies (as in, made them a lot less enjoyable) and one job.
If there’s an uprising against clankers, you’ll find me at the front lines.
hayvan@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Your enemy is, as usual, billionaires and their fanboys. Clankas don’t exist as a separate thing, they are tools of the wealthy to further oppress the common folk.
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i always thought the butlarian jihad was silly but now i get it
hayvan@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
AI even ruined AI. Up until this insane hype train, ML models were specialized tools to achieve their tasks. Now the whole field is dominated by LLMs and slopgen bullshit.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah that’s the annoying thing. Generative AI is actually really useful…in SPECIFIC situations. Discovering new battery tech, new medicines, etc. are all good use cases because it’s basically a parrot and blender combined and most of these things are rehashes if existing technologies in new and novel ways.
It is not a fucking good solution for a search engine replacement to ask “Why do farts smell?”. It uses way too much energy for that and it hallucinates bullshit.
oce@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
There was a lot of ML bullshit from the big data bubble ~ 2010 and before ChatGPT, together with all of the fuss about data scientists. But now it’s a 100 times worse.
BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
A lot of top researchers have already moved on from transformers.
Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence, and he’s not the only one who thinks so. Lots of engineers understand the limitations of LLMs.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
exactly how i feel. literally aid something very similar to my wife last night. I fucking hate AI. I think activist group are going to starting popping up hard against it. And if they aren’t already, they really should. This shit is destroying our world. The only people this is helping is billionaires.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Capitalism is destroying the world. We need to rise up against that. The AI bullshit is just one manifestation of the whole world being geared to serve capital and the handful of people that control it.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 2 weeks ago
It’s so annoying, I hate this bubble shit. It happens over and over, it’s like a bad movie lol.
BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And it’ll happen again and again and again
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I bet we’ll start to see domestic terror attacks against server farms when more of the population loses their jobs to this bullshit.
I ain’t saying I’m going to do it. But a man burned down the governors home in Pennsylvania. People who lose their homes and lives are not going to take this shit well.
discocactus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If it crashes the hardware will suddenly be dirt cheap though so. There’s that.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’ll cheat us out of that too. Chip manufacturers will pay and coerce and liquidators and retailers to shovel all the surplus into the ocean to keep prices high.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Holy shit, really? Crucial? They’ve been a major player for AGES. That’s wild.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean, Crucial is just the name that Micron puts on the memory they want to sell to consumers. So this story is basically just, “Micron no longer wants to sell to consumers”.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
When the shit hits the fan and they come back to consumers, we should just buy from anyone but them, on principle alone.
markz@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
A few months from now: Crucial unshutting down
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
If that happens, prior Crucial consumers (like myself) should boycott because they already showed what they actually care about and it isn’t their loyal customer base. They don’t want us to buy their products? We should happily give them what they want now should they change their mind later.
Anyway yeah, if they come back, they’re officially on my shit list.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You gotta be fucking kidding me, I swore by Crucial RAM and SSDs. Eat shit, Micron.
dalakkin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same here, the only SSD brand I buy :(
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Damn, that was the only brand of RAM without LEDs and racing stripes on it
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I used to hate on RGB in PCs, until I realized that they can do more than just rainbow vomit; with enough LEDs you can actually get a visible image… If you squint…
One of my favorite things to do with RGB is use the RAM sticks as VU meters and the CPU radiator fans as visualizers when playing music; gives off oldschool HiFi vibes and reminds me of my Winamp days.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That really whips the llama’s ass.
Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Functional RGB isn’t bad when tastefully done like that. Nice little effect.
That said I have all of mine turned off and prefer my tower under my desk and out of sight.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
My pc lights start flashing all red when its overheating. Pretty useful cause I won’t notice the sound till its crashed. I’m weird like that.
toddestan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s interesting. I’ve always wanted a bunch of blinkenlights but they also needed to be functional and serve some purpose. Kind of like the old Thinkpad I have that has a whole row of status LEDs under the screen. A bunch of meaningless lights just for the sake of having lights always seemed pointless.
Anyway, with the last PC I built, the RGB stuff was pretty much unavoidable. I still went out of my way to get a case without a window though. I do have the RGB on, but it’s a solid blue-greenish color so there’s a bit of glow coming out the back of the case.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I like the rainbow vomit, but I get it.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Damn, that was the only brand of RAM without LEDs and racing stripes on it
hits Google Shopping
www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/…/333745.html
Aside from being a black circuit board rather than green, that doesn’t look especially blinged up.
TheBat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have Corsair Vengeance which is without RGB.
Ethanol@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
As other comments have stated, other brands usually also sell non-RGB RAM sticks. Personally I got Kingston FURY Beast RAM sticks, they come in either RGB or non-RGB variety, though the RGB variety costs like 10 dollars more.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AI was never meant to benefit the working class in any capacity.
Its a great rule of thumb that if you see oligarchs hype up something and push for it to be everywhere, its a BAD fucking thing.
yggstyle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile the average CEOs decision making could be replaced by a goldfish in a tank with some arbitrary object detection code.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Resource drain of LLMs inescapably makes them tools availiable only to big players. They are ideal in the way they are naturally gated. Making them mandatory == giving these select companies and people power over everything. And not only oligarchs’ promotion, but the whole situation of them being given for free or cheap at a huge loss gives one an idea that there’s a lot to milk from it’s growing adoption.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They believe they can put an end to having to pay for labor in any capacity ever again. If I knew less than I did about how this AI works I would be worried.
Or if I worked in entertainment.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I knew there was something wrong when we started getting positive metrics based on how much we leveraged AI.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of course, AI is going to be used as another layer of control.
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GaryGhost@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I recently started my own AI factory , the passive income is great. All you need is a grease and soldering gun. Thanks Nvidia , I never have to work again.
Dawn_Vibration@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
AI is really ruining fucking everything. The enviorment, entertainement, music, art, jobs, reality, freedom / privacy / rights.
phx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, corporate greed is ruining everything with AI.
Because you know if they built a super-AI that give them perfect instructions on how to build Earth into a paradise, but it would require they give up 1/4 of their wealth, they’d be reaching for the reset button before it finished printing them out…
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The fact people are blaming the tech rather than the tech bros is a big part of why this keeps happening.
Its the decision of real people that make this situation suck.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And it will burst and mostly disappear, taking with it half the economy, thousands of jobs, and become a military industrial complex blackbox tax sponge, the worst of all possible outcomes.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
First blockchain shit now AI shit (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
khannie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I deeply, genuinely, hope that the AI bubble bursts and they get fucked. It’s just so short sighted to not hold on to the safety rope.
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Translation, Micron is shutting down Crucial for short term shareholder value at the cost of a sustainable and proven long term brand and channel.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I built a god rig in 2022, i bought the best 64gb ddr5 4-stick ram kit i could, an nvidia 4090, the best processor i could, and attached it to the best mobo i could.
I spent about 4800.
My pc is now worth about 6500.
This is some crazy ass shit. Never should a pc appreciate in value.
What the hell is going on.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Crucial is the only good brand I can afford. This sucks ass and I HATE AI. I hope AI companies lose all their money and go bankrupt.
AI is destroying so many awesome things, all for profit.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
this seems incredibly short sighted… the current situation exists because there is a large amount of infrastructure and data centres being built. once that infrastructure is built, the demand will return to normal… OR once the bubble bursts, the market will be flooded with used ram from failed data centres… aliexpress will be selling ram at a dollar a gig when all these data centres flop
reddig33@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These CEOs seem really slow on the uptake. Gonna put all your chips into the AI business just as the bubble is about to burst.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Fuck AI, may the people pushing it die by its hands.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So their not shutting down, just focusing on AI idiots until the bubble busts and then they will turn back to consumers…
Rules of Acquisition #1,261-- Always fuck over the idiots in the market. And when you’ve taken all their money, go back to your base with inflated prices.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I read an article yesterday that Samsung’s memory division wasn’t even willing to let Samsung’s own cell phone division lock in any long-term memory buying agreement with them, which the cell ohone division hsd been trying to do. Too much money in selling HBM memory for parallel compute to datacenters.
reuters.com/…/ai-frenzy-is-driving-new-global-sup…
Some 6,000 miles away in California, Paul Coronado said monthly sales at his company, Caramon, which sells recycled low-end memory chips pulled from decommissioned data-center servers, have surged since September. Almost all its products are now bought by Hong Kong-based intermediaries who resell them to Chinese clients, he said.
“We were doing about $500,000 a month,” he said. “Now it’s $800,000 to $900,000.”
I threw away a bunch of large-capacity DDR4 DIMMs last year, figured that theyld be useless in the future. Kind of wish I hadn’t, now. Reusing old DIMMs is probably the only source of supply that can be ramped up in the near term.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope when the AI bubble pops, Micron goes with it then.
Also, I can’t wait to buy up used RAM for pennys when the bubble pops.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t believe this, because it is too stupid. 2026 demand forecasts for HBM I don’t believe will materialize, as customers can’t pay those crazy RAM prices either, OpenAI can’t pay for all of their promises, demand isn’t high enough for the planned data centers, and power and labour constraints.
I don’t believe it because Micron is a brand that has value premium to it. Even if they just keep charging extortionist prices while HBM demand fantasy remains propagandized, there will eventually be worthwhile consumer demand for RAM, right? Killing the division and firing everyone in it, is Micron saying “making too much money from HBM must forever put all eggs in HBM basket”
fuzzywombat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Damn. This sucks. I’ve been buying Crucial ram sticks as long as I can remember. They’ve been the reliable go to brand for me. First it was EVGA and now Crucial. How depressing.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My next computer will be a bag of LSD and YouTube Longplays.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
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SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
I'm not much of a conspirationist, but this memory "shortage" doesn't add up for me; it's like AI companies went from buying 10 memories as usual to 1000000, all of a sudden! It's too fast, and sus.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cyberpunk wasn’t supposed to be a prophecy. It was meant to be a warning.
danhab99@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
All I can do is pray that my current RAM survives long enough for this stupid AI bubble to burst, like with the Crypto-Bro GPUs.
But it is kind of horrifying how easily consumers have been priced out of the RAM market - at least for newer stuff anyways
MrSilkworm@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Business don’t care about consumers because nowadays business sell to other business
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am really, really glad I replaced my PC’s a year ago.
This is insane. I’m kinda sorta rooting for the crash now.
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I both fear and can’t wait for the ai pop. Please come sooner rather than later.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just installed a 4TB nvme Crucial SSD in my new build solely to put games on.
I’m sure they will come crawling back to consumers after the AI bubble bursts.
thfi@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I can only hope that the A.I. bubble bursts in time when I need to buy a new computer.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What I’m becoming worried about now is all these corporations now realizing that they can simply supply price the average consumer out of owning electronics or any kind of compute. And locking them into renting or leasing access to data center compute and keeping the power of information further consolidated in corporate interests.
pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“You will own nothing and be happy”
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Holy cow that’s a very real danger I hadn’t thought! The industry needs a new trend to reuse all this capacity they built, because AI will likely scale back as many startups fail to reach profit.
Renting your home computer might be the next trend, and it could be gratis at first so people get used to it. Why spy on users when you can actually own their computers?
deliriousdreams@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Aren't we already seeing that though?
The vast majority of people who surf the web don't use a computer to do it. People who do belong to niches. People over a certain age grew up with and still buy computers. People who game still buy computers or consoles. People who stream/create content still use computers and other electronics for that purpose, same with like. Engineers and hobbyists using CAD and other software in creative spaces.
But the smart phone has overtaken the computer as a personal computing device by quite a large margin now. And at every turn companies are trying to make cell phones a den of ad service, slop, and addictive content while stealing any user data that's not nailed down to increase their revenue and continue the circle.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“Please insert more corpo-coin for compute access”
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I hope they do, it will just break stuff more and people will be more likely to go with Linux and open source software. My 10 year old computer still is super fast if it’s not bloated.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
theyd have to all collorbate to make that happen though, which is really unfeasable on their end. a BUNCH of companies will go under if they cannot sell product. they arent going to willingly take losses for the sake of a different company.
CoderSupreme@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t the chinese or whoever doesn’t chose to do that gain market share?
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope it means the return of old, old hardware and the software that comes along with it. This is why projects like collapseOs are important.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Anybody hold onto all their old electronics just in case in spite of the financial/resource “waste”?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only if you use their products and allow them to profit from it.
spongebue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
First it was GPUs because crypto, then this. Wonder what useless thing the tech bros will cover up with in a few years!
lividweasel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Article in 2027:
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Water.
It’s already happening in parallel though, not next.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good luck…
Even when the bubble bursts, they’re going to have an insane amount of computing power just sitting there, it will get sold off in bankruptcy proceedings, and some company will gobble it up and operate at a loss while continuing to secure future supply contracts.
There’s a very real chance that we’re witnessing the slow death of home computing.
The way things shake out it might end up being prohibitively expensive compared to cloud computing, and once that’s the norm they price gouge like Walmart did to destroy small businesses.
Instead of dropping a couple grand for a PC every couple years, we’ll have steady contracts paying for month at a time indefinitely.
jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Nah. Web devs will create even more bloated web pages to keep home computing in business.
For real though, most people don’t need that much computing power, and we reached the plateau 12 years ago. That’s why we’re seeing crypto and AI grifts happen. They recentralize decentralized systems. The elites are striking back.
You know the saying“information wants to be free; information wants to be expensive”? This is the expensive part where people try to horde knowledge by making it inaccessible to everyday people.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Those GPUs fry themselves in a year or two, and utility prices will put pressure on governments to concept datacenters
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Right? Feel bad for anyone that just had a system fry or have been saving up to upgrade.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think it’s a lost cause. Essentially both crypto and AI were big because someone figured out how to offload shit to a GPU efficiently. There’s probably a ton of other appllications for GPUs we haven’t even tapped.
hark@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve got this crazy idea where we can use GPUs to render 3D scenes efficiently.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Serial compute isn’t doing the double-every-18-months-in-speed since something like the early 2000s.
Unlike with serial compute, not all problems can be solved, run faster, with parallel compute. But at some point, unless we figure out some sort of new way to play with physics, we pretty much have to move to parallel compute where we can if we want much more performance.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If the AI bubble bursts most of the western world will be thrown into deep recession again and I hope we don’t get a repeat of 2008 just for cheap RAM or GPUs
wewbull@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It’s already there for most of us. It only a few rich companies getting richer that’s making the line go up.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Same