I was a kid in Sunday school when it dawned on me that my morality and ethics were better than god’s. I wouldn’t do all the awful things he does or punish anyone i love for displeasing me and calling it love. And if I, I mere human, have a higher sense of goodness and morality than god, he’s worthless.
She strongly disagrees
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But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
1984@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
I dont know. Maybe we are evil for allowing half the planet to also have an opinion but it doesnt feel like evil. Feels like justice.
But im still trying to understand. Perhaps its just so simple that the bible has been modified many times by men. That would explain a lot. But otherwise, I just dont see why women would not be allowed to use their brain and their abilities. If god didnt want that, why create them equal to men in abilities?
Its hard to understand.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
its hard to understand
One might say intentionally impossible. Almost like theres a million contradictions that make it impossible to draw any actual conclusions. Almost as if its a tool designed to allow the church to control people by being the only source of “truth”
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Makes me think God was a woman, and this is her pulling up the ladder.
I’m not being serious, of course, but it’s a fun concept — to me.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
I mean it’s not really hard to understand. God doesn’t exist he’s a creation of man, those men were often intimidated or wanted women to bow down to them and worship them. So therefore they created their own scriptures that reflected their own belief system and what they wanted to teach and be worshiped poor.
Knightfox@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
When discussing god with atheists it often comes down to a point similar to this, “God can’t be real because if god existed they wouldn’t allow XYZ.” In reality we have no reason to assume as much.
If there is a god that entity could be flawed and faulty while still being omniscient and omnipotent. We assume that a being with human sentiments and unlimited knowledge would have to be a good being, but that’s not necessarily so. It’s entirely possible that if god exists it views us similarly to how we view ants and simply just doesn’t share the concerns or beliefs we feel are naturally just and fair.
At the end of the day god could be a giant toddler on the playground and while they are unfair and unjust you have the choice of either believing and following (assuming the Christian god) to go to heaven or not believing and following and burning in eternal torment.
This is all just a thought experiment, but the argument that god can’t exist because god isn’t good is inherently a flawed argument.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
I’ve contemplated the possibility that there is a God but they regard us as no more real than we regard fictional characters. God, if they exist, could be on a whole different plane of reality than us. Why should they care about our problems? And if God has a plan for me, that might not necessarily be a plan that is good for me.
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
This is why the Bible is kind of a drag without the new testament. God is emotionally volitile, punitive, and illogical. Jesus provides a framework for redemption, which is what people need here in this life. Reading the new testament, even without the magic and miracles and omnipresent sky-god can give people real ideas about how they should interact with others in this corporeal existence. The old testament feels like kind of a bizarre fairy tale with some historical elements.
NoWeJustSellShoes@lemmynsfw.com 1 hour ago
It’s a good argument when the whole premise of Christianity is “God is all good.”
Also I don’t think it’s even worth examining a flawed deity in the context of Christianity, because it’s clearly something they made up. “Whats that, lord? Go kill the people we don’t like and steal their land and take their virgins as war brides? Well if God says so 🤷”
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
Here’s a good response:
“Shut it rib.”
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Poor Sophia.
“The woman should only have a voice in the bedroom, and those voices need to praise the holy spirit or father” (2 Daddy 69:3)
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
What freaky ass bible are you reading? 😭
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
King Mix-Alot version.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
The good one
Baleine@jlai.lu 7 hours ago
2 Diddy 69
radiantshackles@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
:3
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Maybe sophia is already an atheist before reading the book.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So theres a problem. I want to upvote you but you’re ar exactly 42 upvotes at the writing of this comment… What do I do?
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
It’s safe to vote now as they are at 50.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 3 hours ago
at 69 right now.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Timmy, old boy, I think you might have a point here… lol
Id say its important to remember that these are not the words of god. They are the words of men, who would use the idea of god to force their world views on to others. Kinda like reddit…
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It’s Paul. All of the numbered chapters in the new testament are letters from Paul. In this case, to Timothy.
Paul is lame and destroyed the anarchic majesty that was the early church
guy@piefed.social 3 hours ago
I’m not that knowledgeable about Christianity. But didn’t god just deliver 10 rules and the rest is men writing shit down?
LordCrom@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Heres a secret. Men wrote thise rules also… not a burning, talking bush.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
10? Could be as many as 613, depending on who you ask
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Christianity is more about the beattitudes. The 10 commandments by themselves are Jewish.
fraksken@infosec.pub 3 hours ago
Are you telling me the christian church has less child molesters as moderators than reddit?
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Look up subreddit of the year 2008. Pass it on.
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
more paedos moderating
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Knowing the context of this passage is important. This passage is not God speaking to his people, it’s the Apostle Paul telling Timothy how to run a church. It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy’s ministry.
Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show and Paul was telling Timothy that women and sex should not be the thing that draws in people whom he intended to minister too. He suggested they cover up and hide their heads and remain quiet and not be the focus of the moment because he should want to distance himself from what amounts to orgies in the area.
~former member of the church