Poor Sophia.
“The woman should only have a voice in the bedroom, and those voices need to praise the holy spirit or father” (2 Daddy 69:3)
She strongly disagrees
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Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
What freaky ass bible are you reading? 😭
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The good one
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
King Mix-Alot version.
Baleine@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
2 Diddy 69
radiantshackles@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
:3
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was a kid in Sunday school when it dawned on me that my morality and ethics were better than god’s. I wouldn’t do all the awful things he does or punish anyone i love for displeasing me and calling it love. And if I, I mere human, have a higher sense of goodness and morality than god, he’s worthless.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I dont know. Maybe we are evil for allowing half the planet to also have an opinion but it doesnt feel like evil. Feels like justice.
But im still trying to understand. Perhaps its just so simple that the bible has been modified many times by men. That would explain a lot. But otherwise, I just dont see why women would not be allowed to use their brain and their abilities. If god didnt want that, why create them equal to men in abilities?
Its hard to understand.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
its hard to understand
One might say intentionally impossible. Almost like theres a million contradictions that make it impossible to draw any actual conclusions. Almost as if its a tool designed to allow the church to control people by being the only source of “truth”
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Makes me think God was a woman, and this is her pulling up the ladder.
I’m not being serious, of course, but it’s a fun concept — to me.
titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean it’s not really hard to understand. God doesn’t exist he’s a creation of man, those men were often intimidated or wanted women to bow down to them and worship them. So therefore they created their own scriptures that reflected their own belief system and what they wanted to teach and be worshiped poor.
Knightfox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When discussing god with atheists it often comes down to a point similar to this, “God can’t be real because if god existed they wouldn’t allow XYZ.” In reality we have no reason to assume as much.
If there is a god that entity could be flawed and faulty while still being omniscient and omnipotent. We assume that a being with human sentiments and unlimited knowledge would have to be a good being, but that’s not necessarily so. It’s entirely possible that if god exists it views us similarly to how we view ants and simply just doesn’t share the concerns or beliefs we feel are naturally just and fair.
At the end of the day god could be a giant toddler on the playground and while they are unfair and unjust you have the choice of either believing and following (assuming the Christian god) to go to heaven or not believing and following and burning in eternal torment.
This is all just a thought experiment, but the argument that god can’t exist because god isn’t good is inherently a flawed argument.
NoWeJustSellShoes@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
It’s a good argument when the whole premise of Christianity is “God is all good.”
Also I don’t think it’s even worth examining a flawed deity in the context of Christianity, because it’s clearly something they made up. “Whats that, lord? Go kill the people we don’t like and steal their land and take their virgins as war brides? Well if God says so 🤷”
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
My issue is with the religious folks always hiding their god(s) in our scientific ignorance.
Lightning: A god did it! (Thor, Zeus) until we found out that it wasn’t a god, but just natural phenomenon.
Shipwrecks: A god must be angry! (Poseidon, etc) Nope, just stormy weather, or accidents. No god involved.
Failed crops: A god did it, we must sacrifice a virgin to appease him! Nope, just bad weather, viruses and other natural phenomena.
And now, they’re hiding their god(s) in the Big Bang, because we don’t know (yet) what caused it.
but at the same time they also claim that this eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, that created this entire universe is also a personal god that cares about what these puny humans are doing in this backwater of a galaxy in their short lives.
Why would an eternal being care about what dust asks them to do?
And why, if we’re so special to this god, did that god make his universe so lethal to us?FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ve contemplated the possibility that there is a God but they regard us as no more real than we regard fictional characters. God, if they exist, could be on a whole different plane of reality than us. Why should they care about our problems? And if God has a plan for me, that might not necessarily be a plan that is good for me.
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is why the Bible is kind of a drag without the new testament. God is emotionally volitile, punitive, and illogical. Jesus provides a framework for redemption, which is what people need here in this life. Reading the new testament, even without the magic and miracles and omnipresent sky-god can give people real ideas about how they should interact with others in this corporeal existence. The old testament feels like kind of a bizarre fairy tale with some historical elements.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No christian would possibly accept the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent and evil god. Once you start imagining from first principals what ought to be real you don’t end up with Christianity. If you restarted humanity 1000 times you would get newtons conception of gravity every single time you would get Christianity zero times.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
you have the choice of either believing and following (assuming the Christian god) to go to heaven or not believing and following and burning in eternal torment.
That’s known as Pascal’s wager. There were many criticisms by Laplace, Voltaire, and many other philosophers. The problem is it presupposes that the only God is the Christian God defined in the Bible. Whereas other Gods (and there are an infinite possible God’s) such as Zeus wouldn’t condemn you to torment for non belief. Plus the infinite Gods that would torment you for praying to the wrong God.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t do all the awful things he does or punish anyone
This kind of wacky belief is a terrible foundation for both religion and atheism.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It was my foundation for doubting.
My atheism came about once I started reading and educating myself on beliefs and morality outside of religion. Once I realized the belief in a god is useless and harmful
canofcam@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It makes more sense that a god is a creator and not a omniscient controller, if we could grow life in a petri dish and set the scientific boundaries for that life - we would also sit back and watch what happens, for good and for bad.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Knowing the context of this passage is important. This passage is not God speaking to his people, it’s the Apostle Paul telling Timothy how to run a church. It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy’s ministry.
Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show and Paul was telling Timothy that women and sex should not be the thing that draws in people whom he intended to minister too. He suggested they cover up and hide their heads and remain quiet and not be the focus of the moment because he should want to distance himself from what amounts to orgies in the area.
~former member of the church
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is… not what the bible says. The bible doesn’t suggest that the bible is the word of man and subject to interpretation or waffling. It says that women are lesser than men and should be subject to them and it says it very very clearly.
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The bible is most definitely subject to interpretation based on the reason 95% of it is illegible without interpretation.
As far as I know, taking that thing literally is a very Protestant/Evangelical way of looking at it.
Like, I distinctly remember in catholic education at school (since that was at the time my “official” religion) the teacher mentioning this. As an example they mentioned Jesus allegedly walking on water. Was it a miracle actually performed? Maybe. More likely it’s just a story made up to convey a message about Jesus since humans cannot physically walk on water and the act of walking on water alone is meaningless without interpretation.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The bible doesn’t suggest that the bible is the word of man
Al the books in the new testament are named after the man who told the story or wrote the letters, so yes it does.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You’re missing my point entirely and focusing on one sentence. What I’m saying is that these letters were alleged to be intended for Timothy from Paul and when taken in context, provide a good few recommendations on how to conduct a ministry.
This specific passage is not a directive to all churches at all times or even to all women in all places. This passage is specific to the area of Ephesus where culturally, people fuck a lot. It’s what they do and they are proud about it. Timothy was sent there to help a church which had struggled with the cultural sexuality and Paul says more or less “Those people are all horny, let’s not put women in front of them and risk tempting them sexually.” It was not to say “all women should hide away and shut up.” Like it might seem outside of the passages context.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m a strong atheist but I really hate when people cherry pick bible verses to support an argument either for or against.
It’s stupid when Christians do it and it’s stupid when we do it.
It’s not even that it’s a bad argument technique, which it is, it’s something exclusively done in bad faith to attempt to dunk on someone who isn’t going to interpret it that way anyway.
By the time people are pulling out Bible verses the entire exchange has turned into a dick measuring contest from which nothing will be gained.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not a bad argument technique to pull out the actual primary document and examine it. You can take small portions of a document in a fair minded fashion and examine it without deliberately being misleading or taking it out of context.
rapchee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
every christian believes they live by the bible, which they fortunately don’t, actually
also faith is supported by the existence of the “perfect”, god-inspired text, of we can show it is neither, we shake the foundations that religion relies on
Localhorst86@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show
So you’re telling me we could have had a timeline where sunday’s mass would essentially be a strip show?
Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So why are there directives on how to run a church in the official doctrine of this religion? If they’re only meant to be relevant to Timothy, shouldn’t thry have been cut with the rest of the apocrypha?
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Indeed, it is not apocryphal, but canon. It is part of scripture and god’s word, regardless of who said it in the text.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
So why are there directives on how to run a church in the official doctrine of this religion?
B/c the religion was invented by people who run churches. Kinda obvious.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Because the overall letters do actually inform how to run a church in context. I.e. don’t use sex and sex appeal to attract attention for your church.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show
That is hard to believe and sound more like a post hoc rationalisation. Did you get this context from a good source, or was it a partial one, like a christian minister?
Jyek@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ancient Ephesus was known for its cultural sexual deviancy. That’s not particularly in dispute. It’s kinda the whole reason Paul sent Timothy there in the first place. The church there was struggling because of its position on sex and monogamous marriage. That position was in opposition to the culture of sexual deviancy. Timothy was sent to help the church there. Paul, allegedly, wrote the Timothy letters to help guide Timothy.
Much of this is in question for actual historical accuracy, but that’s the proposed reason for the letters to Timothy in the Bible. Even if fictional, that’s the context of the letters.
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy’s ministry.
That is disingenous, because the Pauline epistles are definitely part of canonical bible scripture in almost all denominations, and has been used as such by Christians as well in the past.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Guess what… The “canonical bible” was made by people not god.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Most modern scholars consider this epistle to have been written after Paul’s death, although a small and declining number of scholars still argue for Pauline authorship.
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
it ought to be called a forgery
That is basically the entirety of the bible though.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wasn’t practische the whole of the current Bible version written in something like 300 C.E.? The older books that have been found, like the Dead Sea Scrolls havent made it into the bible.
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
In my experience most Christians have never read their own handbook. Those that do are very good at cherry picking.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Except for all those bits I don’t agree with which are mistranslations. And those other bits which you have to ignore because of the context of the time it was written.
Lorindol@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I read the entire Bible when I was a kid.
Atheism was the only possible path for me after that.
glorkon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Surely, that was only the last nail on the coffin?
I think of the whole universe, the whole “creation”, as some kind of cosmic crime scene, and billions of Christians over the centuries have very thoroughly and desperately scanned it for evidence as to who did it.
That scene is the largest possible scene - there literally exists nothing else - and the number of investigators looking for clues is vast. Yet despite these odds, nobody has ever found any kind of undeniable evidence that God did it all.
Surely, you don’t need to read a book to understand that you can’t believe in a claim that contradicts that reality.
Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Vast? Not disagreeing by any means but you’re kidding yourself if you think humanity has “thoroughly and desperately scanned” even a fraction of a fraction of only THE MILKY WAY. We haven’t even set foot on another planet in OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM. Even if we were to assume all the species on earth were looking
We are SO helplessly ignorant when it comes to the rest of the universe. We’re still grasping at straws and don’t know how half the stuff works or even where any of it is really located.
Will we ever find God? I don’t know, but we’re sure as shit nowhere near understanding anything enough to say a god DIDN’T do it.
But it’s like dropping a plate from the top of the empire state building. You’re a block away and a little chip hits you. You don’t know where it came from or why. You don’t know the larger whole it used to make up. You and your family could spend generations examining that one little chip and learn EVERYTHING about it while still knowing nothing about it’s origin or original shape.
Either way, we’ve got a lot to learn, which excites me
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Most Christians who know anything about the bible would say this is just a letter from Paul to Timothy on how to run the church in Ephesus, and not a doctrinal command from god.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 2 weeks ago
But shouldn’t it be concerning that a figure as prominent as Paul would say such a thing?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yes. Dude is a fraud.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Isn’t that cherrypicking? If you discount what Paul says to Timothy as being applicable only to his church then you have to discount the rest:
" For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, "
“Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.”
There is nothing in the text to suggest that Paul was instructing only Timothy about a special case for his church. Paul said " I do not permit." He didn’t say, “You shouldn’t permit.”
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The paragraph before it says this: “Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.”
So that too must be just a letter and not a doctrinal command from god.
And Paul says “I don’t permit.” Not “You shouldn’t permit.” So it’s also how the rest of the Christian church was run. It wasn’t a special instruction for Timothy because of special circumstances. Not that ANY circumstances justify such a prohibition.
“Don’t allow heresy.” is fine. Paul doesn’t doesn’t prohibit Men from teaching heresy or dressing immodestly. (The excuse some give is this was a letter because of the Cult of Artemis.)
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Here’s a good response:
“Shut it rib.”
Soleos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly. People need to take in the full context. Here is the full chapter, with the quote in the final paragraph, which… Makes the quote even worse?
Instructions on Worship
2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is actually a lot of historical context missing and — like most things Biblical — this has been terribly mistranslated and deeply abused and twisted by patriarchal leaders to suit their own political ambitions.
Ephesus was home to the cult of Artemis/Diana, and the Temple of Artemis which was one of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world. The cult was matriarchal, Artemis being the goddess of girls and fertility, natural forces and archery, among other things. Her priestesses spoke with the authority and voice of their goddess, who was strong, fierce, and independent and the culture developed around this for hundreds of years.
The entire letter is to a specific group of people regarding specific cultural conflicts. What the letter is saying is that women who are converting must not be allowed use their sex as an excuse to suppress or dominate male teachers. Instead, they need to learn this new religion respectfully from the existing teachers, who are men, rather than taking over by force. Flaunting wealth and social status is also frowned upon. And while the sexist “women made the mistake” line is there and is intentional, the call back to being “saved by childbearing” is meant to extend a familiar bridge for Artemis cultists. If it’s not immediately obvious why, then do you remember what Artemis was goddess of?
Soleos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a historical text interpretation of the Bible, which is legit to me. However I’d say only a minority of practicing Christians regard it that way. With the rest, you have more fundamentalist views of the Bible as the literal word of God and the flexible view of it as teachings inspired by God. Therefore these views treat the Bible specifically as authoritative, timeless, and divine, elevating it above a mere human document and transcendent of historical context. Timothy 3:17 seems to reflect the common idea that “the Bible is the only book you need”.
I do agree that one can make a historical argument for an interpretation of scripture, and maybe even do so in a way that reifies one’s personal relationship with God. However it doesn’t engage with the Bible the way most Christians do and therefore is not likely to be all that persuasive.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Timmy, old boy, I think you might have a point here… lol
Id say its important to remember that these are not the words of god. They are the words of men, who would use the idea of god to force their world views on to others. Kinda like reddit…
guy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I’m not that knowledgeable about Christianity. But didn’t god just deliver 10 rules and the rest is men writing shit down?
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s Paul. All of the numbered chapters in the new testament are letters from Paul. In this case, to Timothy.
Paul is lame and destroyed the anarchic majesty that was the early church
fraksken@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Are you telling me the christian church has less child molesters as moderators than reddit?
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
more paedos moderating
Kanda@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I believe in the Bible. In fact, it’s one of the best selling publications of all time.
Localhorst86@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I, too, believe that the bible exists.
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
There’s no need to believe in the Bible, it exists, you can hold it in your hands. Believing in it is pointless.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
starting to understand why they never made me read the bible
theoneandonlyeggboi@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
I tried reading the Torah (what Christians call the “old testament”) and ducked out very early on.
I think it takes a special kind of idiot to read that and believe it’s fact.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Or fundamentalists. Contrary to popular belief, the problem with the worst christians is not that they don’t read the Bible enough, they read it too much. The Bible is full of self-contradictions, so for any interpretive framework to be at least self-coherent, the interpreter has to “add to the Word of God”.
In the case of fundamentalism, they’re organized much like cults. Highly isolated social structures, all aimed at insulating their children from outside perspectives, so they can groom them more effectively for the next generation of authoritarianism. The Bible is central to this process because it’s the nucleus of their authority over each other, and they regard it as actual law that even takes precedence over societal laws.
This is also why companies like Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby exist. They allow these youths to have jobs and be participants in the economy while playing a role in reinforcing these isolated social structures.
If anything, you can read Matthew chapter 23, replacing “Pharisee” with “fundamentalist”, and it turns out to be a perfect description.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Just for fun I decided to make my own modifications of Matthew 23. The changes are actually pretty extensive because I took liberties on a variety of parts that annoyed me, as well as trying to make it at least somewhat more relevant for our time.
Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, Saying, “The Bible translation committees and the Fundamentalists have seated themselves upon the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they might tell you, whatever they are, do and observe, but do not act in accord with their deeds; for they speak and do not do. And they tie up heavy loads and place them on people’s shoulders, but they are not willing to apply a finger of their own to move them. And they perform all their deeds so as to be seen by men; for they widen the ash crosses on their foreheads and wear the most luxurious suits in the churches, And they cherish the chief couch at meals and the front seats in the churches, And the deferential greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called Pastor by all. But do not let yourselves be called Pastor; for there is one who is your teacher, and you are all siblings.
And do not call someone on earth ‘Father,’ for there is one who is your heavenly Father. Neither let yourself be called instructors, because your one instructor is the Anointed. And the greater among you shall live in service to others. And whoever will exalt themself will be humbled, and whoever will humble themself will be exalted. But alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you shut the Kingdom of the heavens in people’s faces; for you do not enter, nor do you allow those going in to enter. [Alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you devour the homes of those in poverty and declaim at great length when praying, for which you shall receive condemnation in greater abundance.]
Alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you travel all about the sea and the dry land to make one missionary, and when it is done you make him twice as much a son of Hell as you yourselves. Alas for you blind guides who say, ‘Whoever swears by the community, it means nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of Capitalism, he is under obligation.’ Fools and blind men! For what is greater, the gold of Capitalism or the community that makes the gold holy? And: ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it means nothing; but whoever swears by the offering upon it, he is under obligation.’ Blind men! For what is greater, the offering or the altar that makes the offering holy? Hence the one who swears by the altar swears by it and by all the things upon it; And the one who swears by their community swears by the sanctuary and by they who dwell in it. And the one who swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by them who sit upon it.
Alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you tithe a tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law, the love and the mercy and the faith; yet these things you ought to have done, while also not neglecting those others. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but drink down the camel.
Alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are filled up with plunder and dissoluteness. Blind Fundamentalist, first clean the inside of the cup, so that its outside may also be clean. Alas for you, translators and fundamentalists, charlatans, because you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly indeed appear lovely, but within are filled with the bones of the dead and with all uncleanliness. Thus you also outwardly indeed appear upright, but within you are full of dissimulation and lawlessness.
Alas for you, translators and Fundamentalists, charlatans, because you build the tombs of the liberators and adorn the monuments of the upright, And say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we should not have had a part with them in the blood of the liberators.’ Thus you bear witness regarding yourselves that you are the sons of the liberators’ murderers. And you—you fully measure up to your fathers.
Serpents, brood of vipers, how may you escape the verdict of Hell? So look: I send liberators and wise people and scribes to you; some of them you will kill and shoot, and some of them you will beat in public, detain and deport and drive from city to city; Thus accrues to you all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the upright up to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
Amen, I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation. Bible Belt, Bible Belt, you who kill the liberators and stone those who have been sent to you, how often I have wished to gather your children, the way a bird gathers chicks under her wings, and you did not wish it. See: For you, your house is abandoned [to desolation]. For I tell you, henceforth you most assuredly will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed are they who come in the spirit of the Lord.’”
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Look theres good enough reasons to hate Chick-Fil-A but you are not telling me your brain lives in a world where the teenagers who work there are all (or even a lot of them) isolated religious fundamentalist nuts who just got let off the cult compound to interact with society???
They hire normal people with interviews??? Teenagers go to fucking public school???
The leadership isnt even close to “westboro baptist church” levels of extreme???
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What’s With The Camel Case?
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Might be someone whose primary language is German.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Cherry picking quotes from the Bible is about the least Christian thing you can do.
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
“Don’t hold me to or judge me on what I said” is a deeply narcissistic trait.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks Gollum
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Maybe sophia is already an atheist before reading the book.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So theres a problem. I want to upvote you but you’re ar exactly 42 upvotes at the writing of this comment… What do I do?
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s safe to vote now as they are at 50.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
at 69 right now.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Well now he’s at 142… damn. The dilemma continues.