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What an incredibly stupid take by these jeenyuses.
Then again there’s precedence with a moron from Fox ‘News’ who prefers Trek to Wars since it’s ‘not woke’.
As someone who has gone to conventions this is laughably false.
Pretty sure the fujoshis own Trek actually.
How do I find the link to the text?
Republicans think women are animals. otherwise why would they want to strip away their human rights like access to abortion clinics and revoke their rights to vote? (no need to answer we all know why)
if they don’t hate women, Republicans have a really fucked up view of the equality that Trek embodies from start to finish.
That’s all well and good, I was wondering about this specific headline not the general problem with conservatives.
Most trekkies are older people, in the US most of them are Republicans.
most old americans may be republican but not most old trekkies are not.
Education has been bad for a long time in this country it seems
USA Defaultism at work yet again.
In fairness, it is an American show.
Its somewhat justifiable, kinda.
Let us boldly go there
a hopeful future. dystopian futures have plenty of republicans.
Nice
What i know is this… gay aliens are acceptable, guy humans are not. Thats it in a nutshell, but it does get very complicated. Two simbiot women human kissing? Its ok because they are technically alien, but also ok because they are women, not men.
That brings me to the new gay doctor. It isnt commentary on weird alien sexual stuff, no, it comes off as a political statement. It doesn’t add to any space/alien stuff, rather it feels like an agenda being pushed… im not trying to offend anyone. My personal opinion? It feels like it wants to push a narrative, im not into the star trek hardly at all anymore.
TOS, TNG, voyager and like half of DS9 is how I like star wars. The new crap is only that, crap… imo…
If you want to push the straight agenda, you have Hallmark movies.
Gay humans exist today, they existed throughout history, and they will continue to exist for as long as humans do.
Do you consider Uhura being a bridge officer to be “pushing a narrative”? Because that was a political statement in much the same way that gay characters in Star Trek are (arguably more so).
It sucks to be a person whose very existence is political in this world that we live in now. Sci-Fi that includes those people is a way of saying "hey, wouldn’t it be nice if people could live their lives without their existence being the battleground for political ideology.
No idea what the comment said, but yes, modern star trek does push a narrative… selectively. Like, at the start of Disco, they got it perfect. Gay engineer, gay doctor. No big focus, no “OMG, YOURE GAY???”. They were just there. Doing their jobs. It was, for lack of a better word, normal.
Fast forward a couple of years, and that way of doing things goes out the window. Inserting a non binary character and trans character. Why? Dont know. Because by this time, sex reassignment surgery is not a big deal. It can be done in an afternoon, and youre out the door with no down time. We saw this with Quark in DS9. As for the non binary character, it wouldnt be an issue except for the fact of how they focused on it. They have this scene where they demand to be referred to as “they” and then Stamets beams with pride at the person standing up for themselves. But again, this is Star trek. Non binary is nothing new to humans in this time period. The exchange should have been no different than correcting someone with Dr if someone calls you Mr.
And this is the problem with modern Star Trek. Star Trek in the 60s and 90s showed us a hopeful vision of who we could be. NuTrek shows us who we are. And we already have plenty of other TV shows for that.
I don’t know a single conservative that likes Trek.
I do, they just think it’s an unrealistic world, not a bad one. Something that could never happen here.
… … Wat? Is this based on Star Trek fans despising NuTrek? Because that has to do with shit writing and shitting on continuity…
Nah, it’s just your typical conservative with zero media literacy not understanding Star Trek and thinking no one else does either.
As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.
Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.
The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.
The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.
It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.
Part of the reason the show works is that we never really see Federation life outside of Starfleet. Mostly this is for practical budget reasons; what does a post-scarcity egalitarian society actually look like? That’s difficult to depict in a show designed to recycle the same set every episode and only very occasionally go outside to film.
So what little we see of the civilian federation looks… a lot like the US. There’s a president. Member states planets. Constant references to US history. A military that operates how Americans like to think their military works, rather than what it actually historically has done.
Newer shows take this even further. Section 31, as it was first introduced, was supposed to be a highly illegal, unsanctioned conspiracy acting in the shadow of the proper Federation. Now they’re presented as the ultra official, coolest badasses who are the only reason any of the egalitarian principals are able to survive.
Tell me you know nothing about Star Trek without telling me.
ST broke so many cultural barriers, nothing else in its time period even comes close. Other than that they wore uniforms almost nothing is militaristic. It was a science vessel not a warship. Money and capitalism were virtually non-existent and when they did show up, they were ridiculed. I could go on, but you should learn for yourself.
You may need to cool off and re read the entire message
I agree with all you said, I just can’t believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.
But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don’t agree with.
I would even say that right-wing people have almost the same moral values as left-wing people, just not for the out-groups. So within the ship, there is no big difference.
Hospitality for strangers is also part of conservative’s values, so in passing contact, aliens are treated alike.
They probably saw it all and said “yeah, even in the future we’ll never be rid of the libs but see it all works out because all these other things are still true”
Because Republicans are dumb illiterate inbred morons. Like how they didn’t get that Colbert Report was satire and they thought Colbert was a conservative. Or that they thought that South Park was Republican humor because of Cartman. Even though Cartman is obviously just a vehicle to portray how fucked up RepubliKKKans are.
Lead hits hard.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life.
I like older trek because the writing was interesting and sometimes cerebral. I have no qualms with LGBT characters, I have a problem with shitty written plot and characters. Take the show away from paramount, hire the best writers you can who care some about continuity of the star trek universe and you’d have an almost guaranteed viral franchise.
continuity of the star trek universe
Actually I think this is a fairly low priority if you want to gather more viewers.
Bring back the DS9 writers if they are willing, also fuck Rick Berman.
And the setting!
Imagine what they could do with Changeling crewmates, mixed with an Android one from Picard. They’d be perfect vehicles to explore more modern issues(trans issues/AI, for instance. Maybe neurodivergence?) in a Star Trek coat of paint.
Yeah, sure. As long as Fox doesn’t broadcast the first episode last and confuse the fuck out of all the watchers. Of course, the last bit that explains everything that no one lasts long enough to see.
You might be able to make some comic and novels for those rare fans to get that understanding how everyone got there from earth if some jackass sabatours (probably the same Alliance that flexxed Fox to do what they did).
Maybe they make some board games too. Or hitch your actors to flip their character rep skill with the the Giggle and make a Horrible Sing-a-Long Blog.
I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.
The issue is that Star Trek happened to appeal to all, not just American Repulsicans.
Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been
*checks notes
Republicans?
Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.
Yeah! Let’s pretend nothing bad exists, just live in our bubble where everything is fine and dandy.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
Hell yeah. I love the way Trek makes people like this piss and squeal and moan.
Yeah there are ideologies that most people can’t handle or comprehend today:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism
This and Rockerfeller Republicanism (sometimes called the east coast elites).
Then there are things that make more sense, like Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, Georgism. Put all this together and you realise, there are definitely ways to Socialism that run through Conservatism. Most people can’t handle or understand this idea.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.
A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.
Their society doesn’t involve money.
They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.
Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.
For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss
This is not true, in several ways.
Firstly, it needs the modifier “American” in there. The UK’s first interracial kiss on TV, for example, was in 1962.
Secondly, if we’re defining “interracial” as specifically between someone Black and someone white, then Nancy Sinatra & Sammy Davis Jr. preceded Star Trek by a year.
Thirdly, perceptions of race change. The studio which made I Love Lucy was extremely hesitant to allow Ball & Arnaz to portray themselves as a married couple, precisely because the fact that Arnaz was Cuban meant that the marriage was “interracial”. The kiss they shared in the first episode - in 1951 - would have been seen at the time as an interracial kiss.
Fourthly, even without a changing definition of race there had been previous interracial kisses on the lips on US television - William Shatner himself had previously twice shared a romantic on-screen kiss with someone of Asian descent, once actually in Star Trek.
None of this is to diminish the importance, impact, or progressiveness of the Uhura/Kirk kiss, but it is often overstated. It doesn’t need to be the first ever interracial kiss on TV to be significant. If it really does have to be the first ever something, then it’s the first ever kiss on the lips on US television between a Black person and a white person.
We alao leave out it was a non-consensual kiss from either party since they were both being mind controlled
I absolutely love when people troll (internationally or not) by mentioning Uhura/Kirk as TV’s first interracial kiss. It makes me giggle to see these extremely “well actually” pedantic responses. Yours is great! Do you have that saved as a copy paste?
Do you have one for Rosa Parks? You might be surprised to learn she wasn’t the first. She was “chosen” as flag bearer for the fight because she had a cleaner image.
Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.
There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration
There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.
From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.
I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.
Even into the later series, people had to fight to do interesting things with it. IIRC the network was skittish about Voyager because nobody would possibly be interested in a scifi show with a female lead.
DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it’s not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully
Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with her in the role. The studio shot it down.
Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.
Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics?
So…Republicans are fans of space communism?
Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).
The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.
it promotes the values of meritocracy,
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None of these are commonly held by people in the American left
Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!
Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.
Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: “Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it.” which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular?
Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.
Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular with it’s core demographic?
<Looks sideways at Disney and Star Wars>
But that’s a whole other bag of worms
Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.
The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking?
Oh don’t worry, it’s very scientific:
If you think I’m underestimating the number of Trek’s female viewers, scroll through the comments on any Star Trek-related content anywhere on the internet. Then count the number of female commenters. You’ll see a lot of guys named Steve, but you won’t see many Jennifers.
Consider yourself blessed to be unaware of the entire digital media ecosystem that targets insecure white men via their preferred fandoms and is dedicated to blaming women and minorities for their issues.
It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?
Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It’s: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired for the first time…
This is some spectacular persecution fetish, my god.
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to bigots conservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir.
/s
I wish republicans would just die. How about that?
Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.
cuchi@startrek.website 5 months ago
It will make more sense if he said most Trekkies are americans, but how you know they are republican if the vote are secret?