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• plyth@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨minute⁩ ago

  As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.

  Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.

  The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.

  The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.

  It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.

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• Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.

  A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.

  They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.

  Their society doesn’t involve money.

  They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.

  Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.

  For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

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  • drcobaltjedi@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.

    There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration

    There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.

    From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.

    I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.

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    • JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it’s not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully

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    • rainwall@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with her in the role. The studio shot it down.

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  • pheonixdown@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.

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• ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.

  This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.

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  • socprof@masto.ai ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    @ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.

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• chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life.

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• PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.

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  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah conveniently the photo they chose left uhura out…

    Probably just a coincidence

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    • TRBoom@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      About that picture… Is that chief O’Brien?

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• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.

  Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: “Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it.” which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular?

  Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.

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  • socprof@masto.ai ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    @Kirk Gotta appreciate the thinly veiled "great fan replacement" theory. How very subtle. I'm sure the author (whoever that is) felt ever so witty.

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  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It’s: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired for the first time…

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s the stupid bit

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  • Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.

    The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.

    Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Consider yourself blessed to be unaware of the entire digital media ecosystem that targets insecure white men via their preferred fandoms and is dedicated to blaming women and minorities for their issues.

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  • thegr8goldfish@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?

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• don@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.

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• Lemmchen@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How delusional do you have to be to believe this?

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  • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Republican levels, so checks out?

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• Coldgoron@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I like older trek because the writing was interesting and sometimes cerebral. I have no qualms with LGBT characters, I have a problem with shitty written plot and characters. Take the show away from paramount, hire the best writers you can who care some about continuity of the star trek universe and you’d have an almost guaranteed viral franchise.

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  • silicon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bring back the DS9 writers if they are willing, also fuck Rick Berman.

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  • Chakravanti@monero.town ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah, sure. As long as Fox doesn’t broadcast the first episode last and confuse the fuck out of all the watchers. Of course, the last bit that explains everything that no one lasts long enough to see.

    You might be able to make some comic and novels for those rare fans to get that understanding how everyone got there from earth if some jackass sabatours (probably the same Alliance that flexxed Fox to do what they did).

    Maybe they make some board games too. Or hitch your actors to flip their character rep skill with the the Giggle and make a Horrible Sing-a-Long Blog.

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    • darko8472@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Oddly specific ranting, browncoat.

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  • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    continuity of the star trek universe

    Actually I think this is a fairly low priority if you want to gather more viewers.

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• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So…Republicans are fans of space communism?

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.

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    • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Likewise with Rage Against The Machine

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  • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).

    The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      it promotes the values of meritocracy,

      […]

      None of these are commonly held by people in the American left

      Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!

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• Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is some spectacular persecution fetish, my god.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tbh I think we need to accept that they’re so turned on by the idea that they’ve effectively given prior consent.

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• LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I wish republicans would just die. How about that?

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  • JamieDub86@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not just Republicans…anyone that votes for a conservative party.

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• owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to bigots conservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir.

  /s

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• omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been

  *checks notes

  Republicans?

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• hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics?

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• captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.

  Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.

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• DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yeah there are ideologies that most people can’t handle or comprehend today:

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism

  This and Rockerfeller Republicanism (sometimes called the east coast elites).

  Then there are things that make more sense, like Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, Georgism. Put all this together and you realise, there are definitely ways to Socialism that run through Conservatism. Most people can’t handle or understand this idea.

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• msokiovt@lemmy.today ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The issue is that Star Trek happened to appeal to all, not just American Repulsicans.

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