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Anytime someone anywhere on the political spectrum uses the word “woke” without also defining what the fuck it’s supposed to mean I just cannot take them seriously.

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S-tier satire of the conservative “Trekkie” (please Gene, I hope you’re being satirical). I always think of Douglass Adam’s “rules” on growing old:

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

Anytime someone says Star Trek’s progressivism was never “hamfisted” I usual just point them to the after school special that is Let that be your Last Battlefield:

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OK I can get into this.

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Careful, once it’s automated you won’t be able to work on it anymore!

That’s great, Etsy has allowed their marketplace to become overrun with slop, it’s nice to see the handmade stuff still around and getting love.

Honestly same. And to be clear, that is absolutely no disrespect to Anson Mount et al, the rocks were simply that good.

Eh, you’re not wrong but OP also picked a bad example.

Nothing from the show itself? A script or youtube clip?

What does “forced inclusion” mean? What makes it different from regular inclusion?

I don’t believe any of this is supported by what we saw on screen. Do you have evidence to support these claims? Maybe just a line of dialogue for each claim?

the term “forced inclusion,” which I didn’t raise.

…this you?

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I can’t reply qualitatively unless you explain which part confuses you.

The part that confuses me is what “forced inclusion” means and what makes it different from regular inclusion.

Your examples provided made no mention of “forced inclusion” or what makes it different from regular inclusion.

Your two examples didn’t explain what “forced inclusion” means and what makes it different from regular inclusion.

It is exactly that. Same with the meltdowns over Adira.

Your explanation didn’t explain what “forced inclusion” means and what makes it different from regular inclusion. Maybe you could give an example of each from Star Trek?

For instance, the script may be as blunt as a character saying “Wow, I can’t believe you made it this far despite being a [marginalized out-group]

Ok makes sense but did SFA do that? If so, when?

yeah sure so im curious to know what “forced inclusion” means and how we’re supposed to tell it apart from regular inclusion.

I saw that but I didn’t see anything about what makes inclusion “forced” in one series but not in another.

some people believe that star trek discovery had a story arc about a character coming out as non-binary.

Uhh Kirk and Uhura were most definitely not in a relationship, they were forced to kiss against their will.

Lol “muddy” about sums it up

That’s a lot of words to not provide a single example from a show of what makes “forced inclusion” different than “inclusion”

I like how in Discovery a character came out as non-binary and everyone is like “ok cool” and that was that and it was never brought up again (because why would it be)?

You can tell by the absolute meltdown conservative spaces had about that five second clip that it was absolutely the right thing to do.

Are you one of those people who believes Discovery had a coming out as nonbinary plot

“I genuinely cannot believe that a gay character on a TV show in 2026 can cause this much commotion. Y’all, like, I thought… I don’t know what I thought. Like, y’all gotta understand, I live in New York City, right? So you could be purple, in Brooklyn, and nobody cares. Nobody gives a ****. You know what I mean? So, like, when I come to the internet, and I see, like, all of these feathers being ruffled… it’s jarring, but, nevertheless, I guess it signals that there’s more work to do, so, yeah, uh, anyways, let’s talk about Kyle kissing Jay-Den in episode seven, y’all.”

😂 Gene protect this man

But there are dozens of people in this very thread who if I am understanding correctly are willing to offer the same service for free to prove their point that Plex is evil.

I know it’s fashionable to shit on Plex here, but OP either has his server misconfigured or is just trying to stir the pot: