Not true, it is true that it is heating at %100 efficiency that is to say %100 of the electrical energy is being transferred into heat (although technically some is being transferred into IR light not necessarily what you want) but your goal is probably not to simply create heat your goal is probably to heat the room or at least yourself and their is plenty of waste heat going off into space somewhere also you can achieve more than %100 heat transfer by compressing the external air’s heat we call these heat pumps and they can achieve +400%. The key word is efficiency.
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stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Soup@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s always wild to me that 100% heating efficiency is actually kinda not great. Also the fact that we can use the heat from air that is colder than what we want in order to generate more heat I mean that’s just witchcraft.
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Well, we’re not genersting heat with heat pumps. We’re compressing atoms to make them angrier and pass other atoms by that bunch to even out the angriness. Could also substitute the world jiggy for angry.
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 months ago
🤓 ACKSHUALLY
It’s not possible for a heat pump - or anything - to even be 100% efficient, let alone 400%. Efficiency is measure of how much of the input energy gets converted to useful output energy, and since heat pumps don’t actually create heat the useful output is the compressor’s ability to pump refrigerant about. The Coefficient of Performance - the ratio between energy put in and useful work done - is 400% for a heat pump (give or take).
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
heat pumps don’t actually create heat
🤓 ACKSHUALLY
Heat pumps create a fair bit of heat due to friction and electrical resistance in the compressor.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I always like to muse that in terms of electronics the heat is caused by resistance to current and that heat is usually considered inefficiency, and since no other load exist or work is done that means heating elements are about -100% efficient.
swagmoney@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
ir light is heat dawg
Hello_there@fedia.io 2 months ago
If you want to make heat, start up a gaming PC. At least the energy will go to doing something before it gets turned to heat.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I legitimately had to buy a heater after I stopped regularly using my desktop because it was what was keeping my room warm.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
At that point you might as well run Folding@home on your PC just to act as a heater. It’s literally a win-win for you and for society.
motor_spirit@lemmy.world 2 months ago
running FFXI and later WoW on my first rig (many moons ago) allowed me to keep my room nice and balmy all winter, to the point where I’d leave a window open for much of the day during snow-supporting temps and it’d still be toasty
godlessworm@hexbear.net 2 months ago
gaming pcs are a fuck cause they never get hot enough to warm up a cold room but they definitely make a hot room even hotter
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 months ago
mine is good for a few degrees in the winter but i’m in a small room with the door shut
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 months ago
7-10 degree difference for me on cold days but thats 2 gaming PCs all day.
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 months ago
or folding@home
jcs@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t have a source handy, but someone attempted to heat their apartment with computers and ended up spending something like >$1000 in utilities that month.
Hello_there@fedia.io 2 months ago
Resistive heat is expensive - that's why heat pumps are so good.
In practice, they would have gotten identical results with any electric resistive heater. Fans, oil filled, ceramic, etc. all largely doesn't matter as it is Wh of electricity to Wh of heat.kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
They must have overshot, then. Computers are 100% efficient space heaters that produce math as a byproduct.
ragingHungryPanda@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 2 months ago
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Got one of these bad boys for my patio. Highly recommended if you wait for a sale.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
not gonna lie I yearn for a future where its not a joke but I was born too early
Sabata11792@ani.social 2 months ago
I don’t think my it will fit on my porch.
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 months ago
you really should not talk about your MIL like this
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Boo, get heat pump you loser
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Most of the time, we consider heat output to be inefficient. It only works here because heat happens to be its purpose.
You could say it’s 0% efficient.
credo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I dunno, I’m seeing some light.
unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Light is absorbed by materials and ultimately becomes heat.
Klear@quokk.au 2 months ago
Four or five?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
and what happens to the energy of said photons once they interact with your retina?
Vespair@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Pfft. Making things hotter is easy. The fact that we can regularly make things colder and hold them at that colder temperature is what’s actually impressive in thermodynamics
thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Pfft the absolute human hubris to hold up these entropic sleight-of-hand tricks as impressive. Nature abhors a refrigerator. Heaters are the ultimate power in the universe.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Our entire existence is a temporary rebellion against entropy. In light of that, hubris seems inevitable. I reckon a little bit of it is useful for us
chgxvjh@hexbear.net 2 months ago
RheumatoidArthritis@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Stealing heat vs creating heat. It’s like comparing the price of a cinema ticket to a torrent.
chgxvjh@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Who would win in a fight? Cinema ticket or torrent?
xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 months ago
Ground-source heat pumps seem like they could be the new hotness. You don’t have to dig very deep before the ground is a constant temperature, so that can be used to increase the efficiency even further in extremely hot/cold weather.
Tech Ingredients did a nice little DIY experiment with it.
Fingolfin@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Well, heat pumps are significantly more efficient than traditional heaters because they move heat rather than generating it. A heat pump can deliver three to four times more heat energy than the electrical energy it consumes, making them 300-400% efficient.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
rather than
generating itconverting it from power
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
People say efficient without saying efficient at doing what with what.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 months ago
Make those heating coils out of superconductors and it'll be even more efficient.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
My cat agrees.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 months ago
So does our Colombian red tail boa! :D
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Pfftt. Splitting wood is peak heat thermodynamics. And I can attest it keeps you warm down to -40F.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
That is how the power supply of my Laptop look like, playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my laptop.
baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 2 months ago
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Winter is gaming season.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was testing the AI image generating capabilities of a M1 MacBook Air 16GB.
It shuts down at 113°C (235°Freedom)
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
113ºC is hard on the limit, chips at 140ºC convert the PC in an Paperweight. Normally they desconnect the Device with >90-95º. Permit 113º is maybe related to an programmed obsolence policy from Apple.
khannie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Turn that entropy up to 11, boi!
TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
(As a nerd) I came here for the nerdy comments.
jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
So hot.
yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Refrigeration cycle scoffs at your mere 100% efficiency
Thorry@feddit.org 2 months ago
Nah this thing puts out light and probably vibrates as well, so not even 100%.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Well ultimately it all becomes heat. Maybe a tiny amount escapes a window or something. So we could say 99%.
But heat pumps still reign supreme, at least until it gets super cold.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 months ago
Light is just heat energy
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Refrigeration just moves heat, it does not create it.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Why create heat when you can just steal it from somewhere else, though
T156@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It would end up creating some, due to inefficiencies, which may contribute.
devedeset@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
In terms of “use electricity to make heat” it still trounces resistive heating. This whole thread is arguing about the definition of efficiency.