Submitted 6 hours ago by Coupable@lemmy.world to main@sh.itjust.works
The mod banning these users is the same mod who made the posts they downvoted. This is mod abuse, turning the downvote button into an auto-self-ban button.
The message is “If you disagree with me, you will be banned”
Monitoring and banning users for using lemmy as intended to signal boost your opinion should be grounds to have all mod privileges removed. This behaviour undermines the integrity of the server and the wider fediverse.
mods are fascinating specimen, no matter the platform
Power hungry people seeking validation without real-world obligations.
Many mods are completely powerless in their lives. Its why the become mods. To feel like they have some control over their lives. They don’t. Just like the rest of us. The difference being they are mods and can push their pathetically limited power around. Just like some asshole on the highway who slows down when you can’t pass and goes to warp when you can.
this is “downvote trolling”….
basically if you have a community that a lot of people hate, people will come in and downvote everything… some will even subscribe and downvote everything.
so, obviously “the boring company” will get a lot of musk hate (and i hate musk).
but yeah, if someone never participates in a comm and just shows up to downvote totally on-topic posts it makes sense to ban them….
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i’ve been permanently shadowbanned from communities i totally liked and agreed with for making a comment that reasonably stated a disagreement with a post… banning for downvote trolling makes sense… even though i do hate Elon Musk….
(the whole boring company community should be deleted because it’s a company owned by a literal Nazi).
What are you talking about? Shows up in a community? People see Musk fellatio posts in their All feed and downvote it. Lemmy communities aren’t a closed thing and banning people for voting is dumb.
I mean, the result would be the content you downvote whenever you see it no longer showing up in your feed, so it kinda makes sense?
We don’t need Reddit’s power tripping back
Do you really expect the platform that lets anybody form their personal power tripping fiefdom to inexplicably not draw those people in? No centralization doesn’t mean you’re free of the particular flavor of power tripping you experienced, it means there are many cells of various levels of power tripping with little to no oversight.
Clearly you haven’t been here for long. It’s been terrible mods for years now.
That mod is also literally the only active user in that group. Your post is the most attention it’s ever got.
And this is the second time in just over a day that I’ve seen moderators abusing the ability to monitor how people vote.
This behaviour undermines good faith participation. Users should not be afraid of copping bans for using the downvote button as they feel is appropriate.
Hey I just wanna pop in and say I crossposted your post about lemmyusa over to power tripping bastards on dbzero the other day, and we actually had a mod from there come on and discuss things.
I think its a bit more complex than just… them clearly doing mod abuse or manipulation.
From their POV, they were basically getting hit with a mass wave of downvotes, as well as some genuinely unnaceptable harassment… and they basically panicked and went into lockdown mode.
Maybe you would be interested in adding to that discussion?
lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53271052
Also, just… in general, the whole point of the ye power trippin bastards comm is to report and discuss potential mod/admin abuse scenarios, in case you’d maybe like to post stuff there yourself…
You … seem to be on something of a tear of call outs, so, maybe you’d be interested.
Anyway, more specifically relevant to this threelon person… yeah i dont find this behavior surprising, they are obviously a massive elon stan and their personality is collapsing as it becomes harder and harder to deny that, even in just a purely technical sense, leaving politics as far aside as possible… yeah elon is actually just a con artist fradulent idiot.
This behaviour undermines good faith participation. Users should not be afraid of copping bans for using the downvote button as they feel is appropriate.
As a moderator, I can see who votes on what and how in my community. But it is not my job to really do anything with that information (except if I notice a brigading attack / vote manipulation, then I might keep an eye on users for that). So I don’t even look at them. The community hasn’t been brigaded yet, and since its a moderately low traffic community, it would be pretty obvious if that ever happened.
But votes are information that normal users should definitely not be able to see at all. Eventually, sooner than later most likely, it will lead to “User X voted ‘wrong’ on Y” posts. You and I both know Lemmy users cannot be trusted to be mature enough to not do that kind of Fecal Flinging, especially from the comfort of online anonymity, and once that starts it’s not going to stop.
Users upvote or downvote posts for ten million different reasons. Nobody should feel like they can’t vote how they want on a post for fear of a moderator ban or other users yelling at them. If they are engaging in vote manipulation, its a different story, but people doing that are not only using a single account, so they know what they are doing and should expect nevative consequences. I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying, just adding on that beyond a moderator’s ethical duty regarding (not) taking action for vote activity, normal users should also be held to the same ethical duty.
Rule #0.0
Don’t hurt moddy-woddy’s fee-fees.
This is a certified True and Real rule. I checked.
I made the list!
I upvote most of threelonmusketeers’ posts (voyager confirms my votes are net +44) , but my down vote finger gets itchy when I see a string of pro Elmo content.
Not sure about that specific case.
Elmo fans are inevitably dickheads, so I’m not surprised in the slightest
I blocked him immediately anyway
I automatically block nazi apologists
Public votes are probably the dumbest lemmy “feature”, so much unnecessary drama because of it.
There’s not really a way to do votes privately on a federated system. Unless you’re suggesting no votes at all, which could be interesting, but I’m not able to envision a functional way to do that.
didn’t piefed or some other alternative to lemmy add that feature
There’s not really a way to do votes privately on a federated system.
It’s a minor technical problem.
For what its worth before hexbear disabled downvotes they looked at who had been systematically downvoting trans peoples posts and a couple transphobes got purged.
Also any drama is around downvoting, no cries about systematic upvoting. Seems like any drama can be avoided if downvoting is just disabled.
Also any drama is around downvoting, no cries about systematic upvoting.
Vote manipulation (think massive upvotes using alt accounts) also get dealt with: lemmy.ca/post/50545875?scrollToComments=true
IMO, it enforces some sort of accountability to people’s voting behaviour. Some of the online forums I frequent have it by default and I’ve never had any problems with it, as I can back my downvotes with arguments if I’m asked to. 🤷
Having said that (and without knowing anything more about the situation): what a weird and most likely pathetic thing to do by that dude.
IMO, it enforces some sort of accountability to people’s voting behaviour.
But that was never something that was needed.
Instead now you get mods like this going around banning people for votes, intimidating people for voting which is removing the communities ability to hold bad posts accountable.
Maybe votes are stupid to start with, a feelgood up or down vote that does nothing for the conversation.
/Rant I remember when you typed out what you liked or disliked. Before the stupid Facebook thumbs-up. It was better before. /Rant off
Yeah, I remember dozens of “me too” and “+1” comments after posts people agreed with. It was annoying.
Votes on sites like this are an algorithm by way of the masses, rather than what you’d find on centralized sites like yt or the like. It’s how the front page gets curated to presumably interesting posts instead of being a random spew of every post made.
Perhaps for some posts / comments. But definitely not for all of them. Votes can often be more useful than just feel good or feel bad. Very busy posts often have hundreds of comments.while certainly silly memes and the like may get upvoted there, often relevant or helpful comments do too, with unhelpful or toxic comments generally getting downvoted. Without that system in place I would have to scroll through those hundreds of comments just to find relevant or helpful info instead of not being at the top because the community provided feedback.
Agreed.
I'm glad more people are starting to come around on this. Maybe rimu will resurrect voting agents for piefed if the sentiment becomes common enough.
At least they can be hidden unlike on some other reddit
This is something that would definitely be better to message the instance admins directly over, and not turn into a public Tomato Toss. I don’t know the specifics, but there could be a reason for this. When in doubt, contact the instance admins, and if they don’t respond or don’t do anything, then create a new account on a different home instance. That is the point of the fediverse.
Some of those accounts are antiyank alt accounts
I also ban some accounts that are obvious alt accounts in my community. Honestly downvotes should just be removed entirely.
I still want a placebo downvote button but I don't want it to do anything. Othet than that, I agree - public votes are cancer and 90% of the cancer involves down votes. It's a shame piefed caved to forum politics on this issue.
I doubt the devs will ever listen though, they’re too busy ranting about the validity of RT News as a reputable source. Maybe Piefed devs will?
There are communities in here that are brigaded in such a way that when you post there, you get dozens of downvotes immediately.
Oh hi, this post is about me!
I’m experimenting with @jet@hackertalks.com’s moderation policy for niche communities.
Everyone has issues with it. You’re abusing the concept of the fediverse with such power tripping
Punishing users for their individual votes is mod abuse and vote manipulation. You are removing the voting rights of users who dislike your content.
The only acceptable grounds for banning a user based on their votes would be using a sock puppet to vote on a single post or comment multiple times.
If people think your posts are shit, they should be allowed to express that without fear of phantom banning. Suck it up, or delete your account.
hear hear
That is some total whackjob reasoning.
A community means EXCLUDING people who don’t share a interest.
The actual fuck? This is the dumbest take I’ve seen in a while (including all the coverage of the Charlie Kirk shooting), and they try to justify it as being a rephrasing of “A community is for people who share an interest”?
This is just an unhinged way of justifying isolationism and silencing critics. It reads like it was written by the mods of r/conservative. Go touch some fuckin’ grass, dude.
The actual fuck? This is the dumbest take I’ve seen in a while (yeah, including all the commentary around the Charlie Kirk shooting), a
So trans communities should keep TERFs around ?
That’s a whole lot of mental gymnastics to try to justify enforcing toxic positivity.
The coward’s way: don’t explain why you did what you did clearly, just obfuscate/point towards some “guideline”. 🙄
You can be on topic and have the wrong take, so wrong that people simply think it’s not productive to the conversation and as such the downvote is warranted. What are you doing, my guy?
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