atzanteol

@atzanteol@sh.itjust.works

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linkwarden downloaded the whole flipping Internet ...⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Sounds like you bookmarked the while flippin’ Internet.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What's the real danger of opening ports?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  This is an awful analogy…

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  squeezing every last drop of resource form tired old hardware

  This is such a myth. 99% of the time your hardware is doing there doing nothing. Even when running “bloated” services.

  Nextcloud, for example, uses practically zero cpu and a few tens on mb when sitting around yet people avoid it for “bloat”.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Clearly it was suitable for their purposes at one time?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Those who are hosting on bare metal: What is stopping you from using Containers or VM's? What are you self hosting?⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Oh for sure - containers are fantastic. Even if you’re just using them as glorified chroot jails they provide a ton of benefit.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Those who are hosting on bare metal: What is stopping you from using Containers or VM's? What are you self hosting?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Containers run on “bare metal” in exactly the same way other processes on your system do. You can even see them in your process list FFS. They’re just running in different cgroup’s that limit access to resources.

  Yes, I’ll die on this hill.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What do you think is the best (and cheapest) way to host a new nextcloud instance and website for my local scouts organisation?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Could last years? Or months? Depends on a lot of factors. Fans may not like running 24x7, memory could fail, etc.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What do you think is the best (and cheapest) way to host a new nextcloud instance and website for my local scouts organisation?⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Since it’s a public instance you’d want to be sure to keep it pretty up-to-date with new system patches and the latest stable versions of Nextcloud. If you’re comfortable with automating updates with ansible, k8s, docker-compose, etc. then it’s not a big deal. If you’re ssh’ing to a server to manually update things then it’s going to be a lot of overhead and likely forgotten.

  Old hardware may also bring its own issues and you’ll need backups especially since old hardware (especially consumer-grade stuff) can fail very unexpectedly. And providing support for users is a whole… other thing…

  I like the idea of starting with the “old laptop in a basement” approach as a way to get things going to see if the service provides benefit then look to migrate to a more stable platform in the future.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Experts fired by Trump revive popular climate website⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  www.climate.us

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨User "threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works" is banning users for downvoting his posts.⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah, I remember dozens of “me too” and “+1” comments after posts people agreed with. It was annoying.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox or Docker?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  “I run an immutable distro, BTW”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox or Docker?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Proxmox or Docker?

  It’s not mutually exclusive? I have a 3-node proxmox config on which I have 3 VMs running as kubenetes nodes to which I deploy containers. I also have some VMs setup for things which either don’t work well as containers or which I simply don’t want as containers (e.g. a couple Windows VMs for doing Windows things).

  I understand that running things in a VM provides better security than running them in a container.

  Not sure what you mean by this - containers are typically easier to secure as they’re minimalist. But I doubt anyone is using VMs because they think they’re more secure.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I created a NixOS Install script for Proxmox⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  And I still don’t care. Bad is bad even if a community is doing it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I created a NixOS Install script for Proxmox⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I have a very no-exceptions rule about encouraging people to do a curl|bash install and would just remove that. Provide a link to the script, people can run it if they want. Encouraging the behavior of just directly running scripts off the internet is a bad habit.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨I created a NixOS Install script for Proxmox⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  In your Proxmox console, enter the following command: bash -c "$(curl -fsSL raw.githubusercontent.com…)

  Do not do this. Never run scripts like this directly without inspecting them first. Do not tell people to run your exciting new script like this. Provide a link to the script and encourage users to inspect it first then run it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Alternative to github pages?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Same? HTTP/1.1 ran the entire internet for 20 years and is still the majority protocol. It’s fine for a personal website.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Alternative to github pages?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  There is zero question about it. It will be absolutely fine for some dude’s static website over a residential internet connection.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Alternative to github pages?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  HTTP 1.1 is more than good enough for serving a static website.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨18% of people running Nextcloud don't know what database they are using⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Read the comments. Self hosters are little more than users anyway.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Maybe computers just aren’t for you.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s not just this site though is it? I have been seeing a proliferation of curl | shell bullshit for some time now. Lots of sites doing it and people are posting those commands in forums, etc. telling others how easy it is to install that shiny piece of software! “But people should know better” I hear you whine, “They should read scripts before executing them.” But we all know people won’t do that. Especially not the sort of people who are arguing in favor of this practice, and certainly not the newbs these are targeted at.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  This wasn’t satire?

  🤣 🤣

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  🤣

  OMG this is so dumb.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Until then, people who have sacrificed enough of their weekend to the linux gods will be pipe internet text into their root consoles

  “I’ll do what’s easy even if it’s not good” is a terrible approach to, well, anything. I would expect people in this community to look for guidance on what the best way to do things is. Seems I’m wrong.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah - it’s remarkable that I receive pushback about it. I guess it’s down to the technical immaturity of your average home-gamer vs. people who support Linux systems for a living?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Why would any sensible competent tech user copy paste from other places because this one worked.

  Because sites like this and people like you are normalizing the practice. I have seen numerous curl | sh commands pasted on lemmy telling people “how easy it is to install blank”.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  You can install with package managers and include with it a helper script to setup the service. No big deal.

  But can you spot the difference between http://myservice.com/script.sh and http://myserv1ce.com/script.sh if you use a font that doesn’t make it clear? If you get people used to just copy/pasting/running scripts then there’s a risk they’ll run something entirely different by accident.

  There’s no good reason to install things this way.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  The URL can point to a different file. People can post maliciously similar URLs and trick you into running something else.

  With a repository you have some semblance of “people have looked at this before”. Packages are signed and it will provide a standard way to uninstall and upgrade in the future.

  There’s literally no good reason to replace it with a shell script on a website.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Package managers only install a package with defaults. These helper scripts are designed to take the user through a final config that isn’t provided by the package defaults.

  This is trivially solved by having a “setup” script that is also installed by the package manager.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Proxmox VE Helper-Scripts⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  That said, let’s not gate keep.

  This shouldn’t be an excuse for promoting risky behavior.