It ain’t $80k worth of junk in the garage, it’s the $80k
Americans’ junk-filled garages are hurting EV adoption, study says
Submitted 17 hours ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
aword@feddit.online 16 hours ago
Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
How clean is your garage? Do you have one? Just curious.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
my ford has no subscriptions that are needed (other than the usual sirius XM and nav subs that all cars have). There is data collection but you are able to opt out.
Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that does the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)
Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.
Blame those greedy compagnies, not the technology.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
exactly, that is an issue with new cars in general. It’s not a reason to buy a new ICE car instead of a new EV.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
As a matter of fact, ICE cars were connected to the internet way before the first EV was connected to the internet.
artyom@piefed.social 15 hours ago
What does that have to do with EVs?
atticus88th@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Apparently people are living double lives and are afraid their secret identity will be uncovered by checks notes corporations who already know more about us because we have a smartphone in our pocket.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Well my next car will be an EV so I’m holding in to what i got for now
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
with the used EV tax credit there are good options at ~20k.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 hours ago
People can’t afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.
This is just tone deaf poor blaming.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won’t sell a basic EV that isn’t overpriced?
This is just “Am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong!” again.
shalafi@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
What do landlords have to do with it? Can you not power the charger off 110V or 220V? Do you need a higher amp circuit cut in, larger than 30A? (American question obviously.)
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Some apartment buildings are nowhere near where tenets park vehicles. Running extention cables would be a mess and dangerous
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
I rent a house. Our lease is explicit about no battery charging in the garage, including EVs. Yet they seemingly have no problem with my welder or RC cars…
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
fast charging requires a larger service connection than a wall outlet. you can slow charge from a normal wall outlet, but it will take ages to fully charge a modest battery.
generally people have it installed by an electrician, running a new conduit from the circuit breaker.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 hours ago
Stupid article. You don’t need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.
Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 10 hours ago
You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.
spongebue@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it’s not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you’d run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.
The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn’t have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that’s not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it’s quite easy to make level 1 work.
simplejack@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
pretty sure it's the lack of money that's hurting ev adoption.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
There can be multiple factors.
People with garages big enough for a nice car that also have it stuffed with things probally have money too. Right?
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I have a garage that could hold 4 cars if you parked 2 rows of them…
My single income household of 3 is just barely above the national poverty level.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Money and options are hurting my adaption rate
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
I moved in to a house with a garage and my in laws are constantly trying to give us crap to fill it up.
I don’t even know where they’re getting this stuff, they just show up and are like “oh, we’re getting rid of this dresser, we thought you’d like it” or “or, I bought this antique trunk at a yard sale, can you hold on to it”.
I don’t know where the boomers get so much stuff!
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Same here. Luckily our basement flooded and we were like “oh well, guess it’s all ruined and has to be thrown away 🤷”
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yeah, my bfs dad is constantly filling his house, garage, and yard with a bunch of crap that he’ll never use. It just sits there and gets forgotten and deteriorates. Took us 6 years but we got like 90% of what he was storing out of our house too.
tyler@programming.dev 16 hours ago
Too real
calmluck9349@infosec.pub 14 hours ago
Pretty sure it’s the range and charge times. Especially in the Midwest. I need a car that can take me to Florida in under 16 hours. Also I own a EV
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The real problem is having to go to Florida so regularly. I feel for ya.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
you don’t even need a garage to charge your EV, just install it on the exterior.
frongt@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Yeah lemme just do that on my apartment
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Does your apartment have a garage? No? Then what does this add to the conversation?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
this article is aboug junk filled garages, so clearly not talking about apartment dwellers.
officermike@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
We have a one-car garage and two cars. I have a table saw, therefore we have a no-car garage.
Devmapall@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
My parents have a garage full of junk. It used to drive me crazy. We have strong storms where we live and a tree/branches falling are a real possibility of damaging their cars. Plus hail storms sometimes.
It’s mainly my moms stuff. Some of it is worth money but it’s not being sold or anything.
If they used the garage as something other than storage it would be one thing. Instead it’s full of stuff for no real reason.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
Some of it is worth money but it’s not being sold or anything.
My mother refuses to admit she’s a hoarder, and none of her things are really valuable. She’s clean, it’s not like she lives in filth, but she lives in 4000 square feet (main floor + basement) and has three full wall closets plus a room in the basement all filled with every item of clothing she has ever owned. I can barely fill a small closet with all my clothing. Her closets aren’t small, either. They are about 15 feet wide, each. So three 15 feet wide closets absolutely crammed with shit, and each one of them has storage space broken into three sections, about three feet tall each above each closet. Everything is crammed full. None of it is ever pulled out to be used for anything. She has all these things from her family she has kept for “memories” but 1. they mean nothing to me because I hate my extended family and 2. I won’t be able to afford to store them and won’t have reason to when she’s gone.
I don’t fucking get it, it’s a massive house, and it’s just stuffed to the fucking brim with crap crap crap!
paraphrand@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
There are lots of factors that lead to people of her generation ending up like this. It’s really common.
One factor for some people, is not wanting to face how wasteful we are. It’s putting off the reality that it’s all landfill. Just one of many reasons. And it think it might be common with people who are not exactly hoarders, but also manage to hold on to so much.
artyom@piefed.social 15 hours ago
I know lots of people who just run the cable under the door...
Kolanaki@pawb.social 16 hours ago
Me, who doesn’t even have a garage: Yeah… That’e what stops me from getting an EV…
paraphrand@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
lol, this totally makes sense to me.
oh_@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.
BussyCat@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit
bluGill@fedia.io 55 minutes ago
Most suburbs have plenty of density to support transit as proved in other countries that provide good transit to their areas of similar density. However most suburbs have such bad transit you can't use it for anything and to people start believing the idea that it is impossible to get them good transit and so they won't agree to get it.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).
They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.
ulterno@programming.dev 6 hours ago
“We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window.”
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