This seems like a waste of time to me when you could instead focus on Coal or things that matter
I think they want to subtly train the masses to use less electricity because the new AI schemes need all of that extra power just to exist.
What's your thoughts on this?
Submitted 7 months ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
M137@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What are your thoughts on this?
Or
What’s your thought on this?
Not what the title is now. “What is your thoughts” obviously isn’t correct.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ah the UEL, where you can do useful studies that don’t require screen time:
MSc Artificial Intelligence
MSc Artificial Intelligence (with placement year)
MSc Big Data Technologies
MSc Big Data Technologies (with industrial placement)
MSc Blockchain and Financial Technologies
MSc Blockchain and Financial Technologies (with industrial placement)
MSc Cloud Computing
MSc Cloud Computing (with industrial placement)
MSc Computer Science
MSc Computer Science (with industrial placement)
MSc Computing
MSc Computing (with industrial placement)Or Business and Finance where you can learn how to make people consume and buy mooooore!
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I thought you learned about cocaine and getting others to do your work.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well OC, I did mention Business and Finance
oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 7 months ago
[deleted]Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 months ago
YouTube & TikTok use far more resources than AI
Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 7 months ago
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The light that powers that sign likely uses more power than is going to be saved by people turning their screens off because of it
tetris11@feddit.uk 7 months ago
oh fuck off with that logic, a message needs a platform to be heard. Yelling at the top of your lungs about the axe-murderer isnt going to get you anywhere if you’re in his basement with the bodies. Get on his roof and yell
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This isn’t a worth while message.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They could always use a poster…
midtsveen@lemmy.wtf 7 months ago
[deleted]brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
one viral AI avatar or “Barbie Box” image can consume enough energy to fully charge an electric car several times.
A Model 3 battery is ~200,000 kiloJoules.
Absolute worst case for an image, even taking extreme estimates and amortizing out all the training, is like 20kJ. Maybe 60kJ for a slop video that takes under a minute to render, which is on the order of browsing Lemmy on a laptop for a bit.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I don’t think anybody turns their phones on thinking “I wonder what halfbaked AI generated video i can watch now?”
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Oi, when the inturnet loisence will com?
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Updated version of the “turn the water off while you’re brushing your teeth” ads in the 80s/90s. If you can afford ad spend, you’re a bigger problem than the people targeted by it.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
If you wanted my screen time to be more efficient, please explain all these JS and CSS frameworks you are requiring me to load.
infuziSporg@hexbear.net 7 months ago
A high-end estimate of the energy cost of data transmission is 0.1 kWh per GB. If a household uses 350 GB per month, that’s still only 35 kWh, a drop in the bucket compared to a typical household monthly energy usage that includes an electric stove, oven, refrigerator, freezer, microwave, tea kettle, air conditioner, and heater.
The back lights that it takes to light this electric billboard probably take more electricity than the total energy cost of 3 people being online on their phone (or maybe 2 people on a laptop, or maybe 1 person on a desktop).
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 7 months ago
Individualistic solutions to systemic problems have zero chance of working.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 months ago
they 100% work.
that’s why they do it.
they make sure to shift the blame, to make sure the system remains unchanged and people who are profiting from what is basically omniside keep profiting from killing the planet and everyone in it.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 7 months ago
They don’t work though, they just convince people it does.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 months ago
“YOUR screen time is destroying the environment!” Says screen that is using electricity 24/7.
Denjin@feddit.uk 7 months ago
The fluorescent tubes to power this thing all day for months probably uses more power than my router does in its life time.
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 7 months ago
DO NOT, MY FRIENDS, BECOME ADDICTED TO ELECTRICITY
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Is that advert backlit ALL DAY?
Think. Think twice.Think about industrial energy use and lack of government enforcing landlords to install insulation and solarGerudo@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Eh, I can give a pass to this because even if it wasn’t this ad, another one would be in its place burning the same amount of energy.
Womble@piefed.world 7 months ago
If this university hadnt bought this meaningless advert it would have a tiny reduction in the demand for advertising potentially leading to less always lit billboards being made. So no, they dont get a pass for it.
uno@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
Wouldn’t it still be more useful to display an ad criticizing this kind of 24/7 lit ad?
Windex007@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If my goal was to try and damage the organization of groups looking to drive environmental initiatives, this is what I’d do. One of the things, anyways.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
Why not use AI as a example
oplkill@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What if its local ai?
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Local AI probably uses more CO2 per prompt than datacenter, unless you’re running off your own solar panels or something
Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
I am talking about Non Local ai here
Moonworm@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Absolute fucking horseshit when we’re talking about massively expanding our energy use to fuel AI datacenters and total surveillance. It’s like scolding people for not recycling while increasingly making everything single-use plastics.
bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Yeah, ok, but this is obviously just an ad, when have they become relevant to anything?
BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 7 months ago
As far as activities you can do in your leisure time go, browsing through your phone probably has less environmental impact than anything other than napping. Even say, reading a (physical) book is usually going to require you to go to a bookstore or library (or worse, have it delivered) which will have carbon expenditure.
Soot@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Exercise, board games, write, read a book you already own, socialise with housemates/neighbours, do any of a billion hobbies, do anything where you only have to walk to the place. Go for a walk, go foraging, sit in the sun, do some gardening, plant some seeds from your own fruit, volunteer somewhere local, draw stuff, craft stuff, daydream, do some puzzles, do some DIY repairs.
I’m not saying these things are ideal, some will be more possible than others due to circumstances. But I mean it did take two minutes to come up with that list of (typically) enjoyable stuff to do in your leisure time that has net neutral or even net positive environment impact. I don’t think it’s good to say the phone usage is the second best possible thing you can do for environmental impact.
BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 7 months ago
All of those are way more rewarding than scrolling on a phone, but most of them actually have a higher carbon footprint. Not that life should be lived purely on that metric, but the ad aims to guilt people for their screen usage. Reminds me of a discussion I read around this chart:
Modern batteries are so efficient that an e-bike has less carbon footprint than traditional cycling- which in itself is much more efficient than walking.
FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Is this the sequel to “delete your old emails to save water”?
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Look I see what you mean but we finished coal. We closed the last coal power station last year.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 7 months ago
Honestly the biggest thing I think you could do (other than dying) is quitting animal consumption, but 90% of people can’t be bothered to make that simple change and would rather drivel on and on in endless debates about their sudden “health problems” and cultural norms that insist they keep it up. 😒
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 months ago
Not everyone can live fully vegan. Just look at Alex O'connor's vegan journey.
But a lot of people can try, and everyone can cut out beef if they want, which would already be a big win
unknown@piefed.social 7 months ago
Just look at Alex O'connor's vegan journey.
Can you summarise? Ngl, I'm skeptical tho.
happybadger@hexbear.net 7 months ago
Environmentalism without class struggle is just gardening.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 7 months ago
AI dataceter water cooling doesn’t grow on trees.
Your showers are hurting the profits.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax_Group
The uk government keeps giving them renewable energy subsidies because trees can regrow but ignore the fact that they cut down trees the other side of the world to burn them here. It releases all the carbon stored in the trees into the atmosphere and then they capture a small percentage of it back and pretend to be the good guys.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
This is part of a larger UK campaign to make people feel bad about energy usage while Starmer is filling increasingly large amounts of UK infrastructure with AI stuff that requires 100x the amount of power.
toast@retrolemmy.com 7 months ago
Only 100x?
ddplf@szmer.info 7 months ago
Segregate your garbage so we can later throw it all into the same heap anyways.
Remember to turn off every power source when you leave home everyday the whole year to compensate for one day of McDonald’s signboard glowing 24/7.
Lease an overpriced EV so that the planet may survive another billionaire’s wedding.
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Ok but have you considered that if literally every person on the planet did this, climate change would immediately be fixed??
You’re just a HATER of practical solutions…
Soot@hexbear.net 7 months ago
This is the funny thing, Capitalism basically ensures this is never true. Even in utopia, where everyone was super-pooper efficient and saved 99% electricity usage overnight, just one profit-seeking business (and they’re all profit seeking businesses) would buy up all the cheap electricity, make a bazillion dollars, and use so much power that we’d go right back to 100% electricity consumption.
The narrative of the ‘if every individual did <x>’ is pure myth. Systemic problems can only be solved by systemic solutions.
kautau@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If everyone turned off their smartphones for a day it would account for less than 1% of greenhouse gas emissions on the planet.
If you have a fridge in your house it’s likely using almost 100 times more power than your smartphone. Your heating or air conditioning is using far more power. The steel industry, agricultural industry, transportation, are all pumping out greenhouse gasses at a rate that using electronics is negligible.
AI is becoming another one of those industries, but if everyone turned off their personal devices, they would still need to get up, go to work, which would likely use AI, because they need to buy groceries and pay rent and keep their home powered, and capitalism churns.
Being outraged at the systems around us is a good thing, pointing the outrage toward people living daily lives while wealthy corporations and people do everything in their power to do as little as possible for social good while farming maximum personal benefit, power, and profit is not.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 7 months ago
Please tell me you forgot the /s ?
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I just stopped buying stuff…I buy food, that’s it. my garbage has gone from 3 bags biweekly, 2etal and 3 cardboard down to maybe 2 garbage, half a metal one and maybe 1 cardboard.
it’s amazing how much garbage they force on us when we buy companies junk
sometimes there’s more packaging costs then product…it’s absurd.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
These are great, thank you for putting them together.
ddplf@szmer.info 7 months ago
Unfortunately that’s not even scratching the surface
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My thoughts are that this makes no sense at all.