Given all the child predators on Roblox, can’t blame ya
Anyone else guilty of this?
Submitted 10 hours ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world
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LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
christian@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Telling my five-year-old that if they can beat Ecco the Dolphin in front of me I will take them out for ice cream, but I’m not sitting down to watch more often than once a week.
Obi@sopuli.xyz 49 minutes ago
Woah you just unlocked some core memories.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
God I tried. And it told me a lot out myself.
The VAST majority of that old stuff, the stuff that I remember so fondly, was only fun because it was the best we had.
My first game was Yars Revenge. By today’s standards, it’s about 30 seconds of entertainment.
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1. It was almost all single player taking turns.
Compared to even old current systems, there’s just no draw there and there’s no social aspects for them.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I think you’re missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
back between the 70s-90s you played games with friends in the room. you would mock and challenge each other to do better. That was the game.
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dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 hour ago
Sounds like something someone who had friends growing up would say
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 hour ago
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thanks for making me lose the game 😠
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 minutes ago
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1.
Maybe the original has this issue of being held back by overly punishing arcade inspired design, but I replayed Super Mario World recently and I think it holds up in this respect. You only need to get past the next checkpoint for your progress to be saved, and if you are running low on lives and don’t want to lose progress, there is the option of going back to previous levels to farm more lives and powerups. There are also semi-secret areas with buttons that put extra blocks into every level that make the game easier. For basically the first half of the game the only thing that’s really required to win is a small amount of impulse control, planning and patience, and it seems to deliberately work to teach you that stuff in various ways.
bier@feddit.nl 1 hour ago
My kid is almost 6 so he doesn’t really know modern games. For now he is totally into lemmings and the incredible machine 2. It’s fun because I played those games a lot and can easily help him when he is stuck.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
He never went easy on me in Soul Calibur
Dad aint raising no wimp! Get good or get schooled.
But seriously that’s really sweet.NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Your dad is Nick Swardson? That’s cool
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yeah my mom was an old school namco head and we’d play together when I was a kid
jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
This is the responsible way to raise a child on video games IMO. Modern games have predatory practices like microtransactions.
gens@programming.dev 2 hours ago
Plenty of fun normal games, especially indie games.
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Jokes on them. I hack games that have micro transactions and DLCs and make them entirely free. Even games I have paid for. My child hasn’t seen an ad or a micro transaction yet.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 35 minutes ago
Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Most of the games with dlc or microtransaction stuff that I play have it all verified with some sort of online system (steam, mostly). What games are you hacking, and how?
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Well, what about this: Early exposure to the shithead practices of modern gaming can enable children to more easily identify what’s good and what’s just trying to take money from them.
I dunno.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
You could argue the other way around - growing up with decent and non-predatory practices makes you less tolerant of when companies try to extort you because you already know what “good” looks like.
I’m sure the corpos would love nothing more than kids getting exposed to predatory practices from a young age so they grow up feeling those things are acceptable and normal.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 45 minutes ago
My kids didn’t see an ad connected to videos until the youngest was about 7 (outside of a movie theater, at least). When they first saw them, they were flabbergasted about what they were or why people would just sit there watching them, and absolutely refuse to put up with them. I’d say they are better off seeing how things could be, so when they see how things are now they recognize how utter shit it is.
dom@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Most kids aren’t discerning about those kinds of things.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
The problem is that kids dont make or have money. Its like burning their hand the first time, they need to attempt to pay for their own lives fully at least once to really understand it. I think its fair to restrict these types of things to mature rated games as a general rule.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Counterpoint:
The reason they will be out of touch is that they will have better impulse control and better spending habits than kids raised on modern games.
So basically, actual ‘nerds’ are rasing another generation of ‘nerds’, except this time, nerds 2.0 will probably actually be more socially intelligent than the brain dead zombies being raised on fornite, roblox and tiktok, who have negative attention spans and cannot fathom the concept of doing any actual thought-work, when chatgpt can just do their homework for them.
They’ll also be more tech savvy, like being exposed to or having to learn at least some of how emulation works, which kinda de facto makes you understand things like a file structure, which an increasing number of kids (now adults too) raised on modern mobile UIs… have no clue about.
Oh, they’ll also likely just be generally more literate.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
You’re not kidding about file structure. I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones. Every thing is just “in here somewhere” and it’ll pray the search feature can find it when I eventually locate the file browser.
I miss my PC
taiyang@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Due to circumstances, I’ve had to emulate more on phones. You very much can figure out the file structure so long at its Android (and 9 times out of 10 shit is just in the download folder). I swear my wife’s iPhone is a little black box, though.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 hours ago
You’re in a virtualized container that only exposes some directories, also those directories are mostly hidden from you, also within this container you generally don’t have any permissions to them, and also every application completely obfuscates it’s folder access via some file access API.
It’s crazy to me how hard consumers got fucked right from the start on phone software and how normalized we are to it.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Do yourself a favor and install a FOSS file manager system, if you can / its not too much trouble on your particular phone.
Basicslly every phone OS goes out of their way to make their particular file browsing app batcrap overcomplicated and unintuitive if you want to do anything other than exactly what they want you do do.
Which is usually sync everything on your phone to their cloud and your account.
I am running a sort of jerry rigged, half baked, de goodled android, … basically I have torn out, replaced or disabled everything I can without root, but left in play store and core g services so i can actually still use it for common apps… done the best I can to lock down everything to its bare minimim privelege set, never use a big ole shared account for anything, everything is a separate, old school email account.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 hours ago
I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones.
In a certain way, probably me neither. I use ls, df, md5sum, cp, mv, rsync, tar, gzip, gpg, vim, touch and mkdir in Termux (terminal emulator for Android). For example, say I am replacing MP3 for FLAC. I really like to keep the timestamps of when I added the specific song, but I can’t find any better way than
touch -r oldfile.mp3 newfile.flacBut I also use FX File explorer for certain tasks, as it thankfully keeps timestamps. I absolutely hate how moving photos in Google Photos updates the modified timestamp to the date of when the file was moved. Why?
And I also have an ancient version of ES File explorer, version 4.0.2.3. Before it enshittified.But I am not sure whatever that is installable from within the device, or it’s old enough to require
adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app.apklike some other old apps I use.Anyway, I have no idea what’s going on with iPhones and files, or whether that’s a non-existent concept there.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Yeah the nerds usually find themselves in very powerful social circles if they survive school. Circles of emotionally mature experts with strong careers.
Kids’ needs are of course very important, but abandoning engaging hobbies in favor of some phantom desire to fit in is dumb.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 hours ago
Never discount the sheer volume of text and dialog contained in the average mid-90s JRPG!
ICastFist@programming.dev 57 minutes ago
4 CDs of text to be read!! Though I’ll gladly replay the 2 CDs of Chrono Cross for the beautiful graphics, music and characters.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
As long as we all raise our kids this way, they won’t be out of touch with their peers!
pjwestin@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yeah, if she plays an N64, she won’t be exposed to any popular series from today, and will instead play things like Mario Kart, The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros., and Pokémon.
silasmariner@programming.dev 3 hours ago
Yeah but (with the exception of Pokémon) the graphics have moved on a bit
Laser@feddit.org 2 hours ago
Stop this slander
The N64 Pokémon games aren’t that bad
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
This one dad wrote an article about introducing his kid to retro gaming, starting with the old Atari console and progressing through newer generations every few months.
medium.com/…/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3
(some of the image links are broken on the original article so here’s an archive link)
cRazi_man@europe.pub 10 hours ago
Shit this is what I’m doing. My kids are nuts about the niche indie games I play. My son has crazy good skills for Super Meat Boy and Super Hexagon.
oasis@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Is really super meat boy "niche" anymore, lol.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
probably less niche than the n64.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
A real hidden gem
tunetardis@piefed.ca 7 hours ago
I think Guitar Hero was a good investment for my kids, as they came to love all the classics I grew up on.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 hours ago
Ooh, I hope that works for my daughter when she's old enough for it to be relevant. I've got a wall of instruments - some real, some game controllers, and some combination game/MIDI controllers.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 52 minutes ago
Playing the crap out of Guitar Hero with my friends ages ago is one of my most cherished memories, your daughter is in for a treat.
It could also serve as a cool way to bridge past and present since Fortnite now has a GH gamemode, made by the original creators of GH and Rockbandksigley@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You’re in for a fun evening. Let her pick up a peripheral and she might stick with it long enough to actually learn the real thing. That’s how Rock Band drums got me playing a real kit.
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Honestly this is how my parents(‘ generation) got me into gaming, pre-NES, because I was playing their games on Atari and Intellivision. I don’t know if it was the NES’s marketing or what that made people associate video games = for kids, but they were all in their 20s at the time and they had a blast with that stuff
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 4 hours ago
Duh, fun is only for children. Adults must be productive to produce profit.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
we would ALL sit around and play mario on sunday nights. mom and dad too when they were home. TF is this gaming is just kids shit
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Nah… it’s okay. She won’t be out of touch. Nintendo is going to release these games for the Switch 2 for $80.
cloudless@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I am “guilty” of showing my daughter classic movies including some black and white ones.
I think everyone should watch those, it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
ICastFist@programming.dev 42 minutes ago
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
Weird. Do they hate videogames in general or what? Because a number of games can teach “choices have consequences” really well. Maybe put them to play Outer Wilds, I hear it’s one hell of an experience to dive into without knowing anything
xyzzy@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
That seems like something that should be a discussion rather than an edict
ramble81@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
my partner does not allow gaming at all
What? I’m curious to hear why. Gaming has shown to increase hand eye coordination, better thinking and logical skills, and if you go for non-electronic gaming it can help a person develop social skills by interacting with others.
A blanket ban on gaming just seems short sighted, rather than teaching them rights and wrongs around playing and overplay
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 9 hours ago
it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
I truly think stuff like this is important. Developing an appreciation and personal connection to cultural touchstones of the past is like a history lesson and familiarizes you with the life experiences of your parents/grandparents/etc.
grue@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Gotta educate them on pop culture so they can understand the memes.
5in1k@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
I like to recommend Gold Diggers of 1933 to people who say they don’t like old movies.
IllNess@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
I’ll take a look. Thanks.
My favorite is Metropolis (1927).
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I play a kind of bingo in my head when I show my kids old stuff. Just tally up “thats from fortnite”
GraniteM@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
My five year old loves On The Town with Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
Season 1 of Mister Rogers Neighborhood and I love Lucy also come to mind.
BandDad@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
We have a whole retro game station complete with CRT that they can play. They love Mario, Duck Hunt, some of the other games and are now gravitating to Gameboy, SNES and PS One. They like the Switch too, but usually go for the older stuff first.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yeah, because the 90s were awesome. Seriously. It’s where all the cool stuff happened. Then 9/11 happened. And everything has sucked since.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
I think the trick is to just let kids play what they want
as a kid I grew up with basically every generation of nintendo consoles up to the Wii U, as well as a PC (well, a mac really but whatever) and I turned out fine
i missed out on some of the big sensations of the moment, like fortnite or COD, but tbh I didn’t care, these games never interested me and they still don’t
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I think the shared experience there is gaining most of your social interactions through an video game for a period of time during childhood. Its not always the same game and it doesnt even have to be online, but its the shared focal point among a group of people. Sort of like a coffee shop or park.
taiyang@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
My 3yos two favorite games are Mario 64 and Rhythm Heaven (in literally any form, but 3ds most approachable). The latter is especially funny that the 1yo is getting in on the references; “Wabba dubba dubba, that true?” and they both go “Un.” Might be a Halloween costume in the making.
And don’t get her started on those Rock and Roll frogs.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 45 minutes ago
That’s amazing lol
ICastFist@programming.dev 48 minutes ago
those Rock and Roll frogs.
Battletoads?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 hours ago
brsrklf@jlai.lu 9 hours ago
“Cool” uncle (citation needed), did expose kids to games released 2 to 3 decades before their time occasionally.
I was a bit surprised that even rough 8-bit sprite graphics can capture their interest. An 8 year old trying to make sense of the pixelly mess that’s a Metroid creature sprite can be funny.
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
.> <.<
I feel called out
sibachian@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
i caught my 5yo playing golden eye the other day and i was not disappointed!
someguy3@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Games back then were made to be games. Games now are made to be addicting. I think it’s a good idea to stick to the old school games for as long as possible.
tehmics@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Introducing kids to old games is great, but restricting them from experiencing their own generations culture, not so much
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You can’t replace the Roblox and Fortnite, you can only hope to supplement them.
Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
This will be me when I have children and I am not sorry.
I’ll help them build that foundational understanding of what games were and then if they still wanna play the modern bs, they can.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
One thing about old games (pre n64), is that you don’t have to worry about controlling the camera. Younger kids like 5 or so have a hard time enough time timing button presses so making them also have to figure out how to control the camera/is very frustrating for them. Isometric, top down, and point and clicks work best for younger kids.
I also think the super Nintendo controller is the best for children and people with small hands. 8bitdo makes a good modern one with more buttons and triggers so you can play modern games.
devolution@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Spiderman 2: I solely play as Peter Parker. My daughter solely plays as Miles Morales. I wish the game was 2 player.
Minecraft: my daughter watches the YouTube videos yet somehow I’m the one who got us diamond armor. Go figure.
Super Mario Odyssey: She always makes me Mario and she’s a good cappy.
She’s not even remotely athletic but she’s brainy and is pretty popular with her friends. Go figure.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I feel this is exactly the same as boomers who raised thier kids on exclusively 70 and 80s “classic” rock.
shneancy@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
meh, maybe one AAA game a year is worth buying, old or indie games are way better
ICastFist@programming.dev 54 minutes ago
There are plenty of games up to the PS3 era that every kid would do well to play at least once. Stuff that is objectively good, that aged well, or close enough.
The problem, as I see it, is that if they get too used to mobile games, they won’t have the patience for typical console or PC games, because those, on average, aren’t dopamine dispensers and won’t be rewarding every second click or button press - more importantly, they should NOT nag the player with cash shops.
Also important: limit the amount of games available - this is valid both for current and retro games. The moment you have “all the games” at your disposal, several things kick in: analysis paralysis, appeal to familiarity (will only play what you already know or someone knows), seeing no value in the games^[If, when you were small, you only had a limited selection of games, which was common during the cartridge era, you would be very careful with choosing new games to ask your parents to buy, though renting was an option to see which ones were good or not. You had to make do with the little you had. When you got bored with one, you either looked through your collection and played something else, or did something else entirely; you never threw away a game (unless it really sucked) and you never got a new game on a whim. That is good.].
Others mentioned the social aspect, which is true as well and something they just can’t experience nowadays anymore. Minecraft and Roblox are famous because they’re easy for kids to pick and play with friends. Back in our days, we had to physically sit beside one another and play together, or pass the controller on death; we also physically lent and traded games, so the games also had value within our little social circles. While fully digital games are extremely convenient, the “scarcity” gave them a social value that they completely lack today and which I suppose boardgames now fill out (yes, you can play them online, but playing on an actual table is almost always better)
lime@feddit.nu 22 minutes ago
i don’t think i’ve ever heard anyone call it “the ps3 era”.