Yeah, if she plays an N64, she won’t be exposed to any popular series from today, and will instead play things like Mario Kart, The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros., and Pokémon.
Anyone else guilty of this?
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pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
silasmariner@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Yeah but (with the exception of Pokémon) the graphics have moved on a bit
Laser@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Stop this slander
The N64 Pokémon games aren’t that bad
cRazi_man@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
Shit this is what I’m doing. My kids are nuts about the niche indie games I play. My son has crazy good skills for Super Meat Boy and Super Hexagon.
oasis@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Is really super meat boy "niche" anymore, lol.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
probably less niche than the n64.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
A real hidden gem
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is the responsible way to raise a child on video games IMO. Modern games have predatory practices like microtransactions.
gens@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Plenty of fun normal games, especially indie games.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Only if you teach them. My son is playing casual games on Steam and emulated games.
While my son’s friends were talking about new Call of Duty/Fortnite updates. And they’re like 8yos.
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Jokes on them. I hack games that have micro transactions and DLCs and make them entirely free. Even games I have paid for. My child hasn’t seen an ad or a micro transaction yet.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Most of the games with dlc or microtransaction stuff that I play have it all verified with some sort of online system (steam, mostly). What games are you hacking, and how?
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, what about this: Early exposure to the shithead practices of modern gaming can enable children to more easily identify what’s good and what’s just trying to take money from them.
I dunno.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You could argue the other way around - growing up with decent and non-predatory practices makes you less tolerant of when companies try to extort you because you already know what “good” looks like.
I’m sure the corpos would love nothing more than kids getting exposed to predatory practices from a young age so they grow up feeling those things are acceptable and normal.
dom@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Most kids aren’t discerning about those kinds of things.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The problem is that kids dont make or have money. Its like burning their hand the first time, they need to attempt to pay for their own lives fully at least once to really understand it. I think its fair to restrict these types of things to mature rated games as a general rule.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
yeah the problem is this doesn’t line up with the horror stories I’ve personally witnessed. Sudden, massive credit card charges. The problem can occur when kids aren’t spending their own money, they’re using their parents’, some way some how.
Regardless, kids are already surrounded by ads in every corner of life trying to convince them they need XYZ in exchange for money. I’d rather work to make the kid’s environment less consumerist, to give them a vision of how life could be.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My kids didn’t see an ad connected to videos until the youngest was about 7 (outside of a movie theater, at least). When they first saw them, they were flabbergasted about what they were or why people would just sit there watching them, and absolutely refuse to put up with them. I’d say they are better off seeing how things could be, so when they see how things are now they recognize how utter shit it is.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The look on her face says everything to me though.
lol, it wasn’t even attempting to be a good photoshop. Maybe your screen needs cleaning?
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
wow I got completely fooled hahaha
tunetardis@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I think Guitar Hero was a good investment for my kids, as they came to love all the classics I grew up on.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Ooh, I hope that works for my daughter when she's old enough for it to be relevant. I've got a wall of instruments - some real, some game controllers, and some combination game/MIDI controllers.
ksigley@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re in for a fun evening. Let her pick up a peripheral and she might stick with it long enough to actually learn the real thing. That’s how Rock Band drums got me playing a real kit.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Playing the crap out of Guitar Hero with my friends ages ago is one of my most cherished memories, your daughter is in for a treat.
It could also serve as a cool way to bridge past and present since Fortnite now has a GH gamemode, made by the original creators of GH and Rockband
cloudless@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I am “guilty” of showing my daughter classic movies including some black and white ones.
I think everyone should watch those, it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
I truly think stuff like this is important. Developing an appreciation and personal connection to cultural touchstones of the past is like a history lesson and familiarizes you with the life experiences of your parents/grandparents/etc.
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gotta educate them on pop culture so they can understand the memes.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
my partner does not allow gaming at all
What? I’m curious to hear why. Gaming has shown to increase hand eye coordination, better thinking and logical skills, and if you go for non-electronic gaming it can help a person develop social skills by interacting with others.
A blanket ban on gaming just seems short sighted, rather than teaching them rights and wrongs around playing and overplay
xyzzy@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
That seems like something that should be a discussion rather than an edict
5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I like to recommend Gold Diggers of 1933 to people who say they don’t like old movies.
IllNess@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I’ll take a look. Thanks.
My favorite is Metropolis (1927).
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I play a kind of bingo in my head when I show my kids old stuff. Just tally up “thats from fortnite”
CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Season 1 of Mister Rogers Neighborhood and I love Lucy also come to mind.
GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My five year old loves On The Town with Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
Weird. Do they hate videogames in general or what? Because a number of games can teach “choices have consequences” really well. Maybe put them to play Outer Wilds, I hear it’s one hell of an experience to dive into without knowing anything
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
God I tried. And it told me a lot out myself.
The VAST majority of that old stuff, the stuff that I remember so fondly, was only fun because it was the best we had.
My first game was Yars Revenge. By today’s standards, it’s about 30 seconds of entertainment.
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1. It was almost all single player taking turns.
Compared to even old current systems, there’s just no draw there and there’s no social aspects for them.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think you’re missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
back between the 70s-90s you played games with friends in the room. you would mock and challenge each other to do better. That was the game.
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dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Sounds like something someone who had friends growing up would say
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
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thanks for making me lose the game 😠
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1.
Maybe the original has this issue of being held back by overly punishing arcade inspired design, but I replayed Super Mario World recently and I think it holds up in this respect. You only need to get past the next checkpoint for your progress to be saved, and if you are running low on lives and don’t want to lose progress, there is the option of going back to previous levels to farm more lives and powerups. There are also semi-secret areas with buttons that put extra blocks into every level that make the game easier. For basically the first half of the game the only thing that’s really required to win is a small amount of impulse control, planning and patience, and it seems to deliberately work to teach you that stuff in various ways.
bier@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
My kid is almost 6 so he doesn’t really know modern games. For now he is totally into lemmings and the incredible machine 2. It’s fun because I played those games a lot and can easily help him when he is stuck.
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Yeah, there’s less gold than we remember… but there is some.
I just cannot stand to play a lot of the PS1/N64 era of games these days. Modern shooters etc have rewired my brain too much for something like Metroid Prime or TimeSplitters.
Still, some classic do hold up, especially if you missed them the first time round and/or you can emulate them for quality of life improvements.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I was really surprised how quick my kids fell in love with Super Mario 3(Super Mario All-stars).
Their cousin played the Switch version and my introduction led them to try and 100% all the classic 2D Super Mario games.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Your dad is Nick Swardson? That’s cool
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
He never went easy on me in Soul Calibur
Dad aint raising no wimp! Get good or get schooled.
But seriously that’s really sweet.captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah my mom was an old school namco head and we’d play together when I was a kid
nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am 50+, remember paying quarters to play Pong and Space Invaders.
Built my kids a game box using Batocera Linux and ROMs from the 80s and 90s (Atari2600, Intellivision, Colecovision, etc)
I was thereby able to show them the True Magic and Wonder of Computers
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
[deleted]ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why, tho? Is it because it’s not an advertisement for some large language model?
brsrklf@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
“Cool” uncle (citation needed), did expose kids to games released 2 to 3 decades before their time occasionally.
I was a bit surprised that even rough 8-bit sprite graphics can capture their interest. An 8 year old trying to make sense of the pixelly mess that’s a Metroid creature sprite can be funny.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
There are plenty of games up to the PS3 era that every kid would do well to play at least once. Stuff that is objectively good, that aged well, or close enough.
The problem, as I see it, is that if they get too used to mobile games, they won’t have the patience for typical console or PC games, because those, on average, aren’t dopamine dispensers and won’t be rewarding every second click or button press - more importantly, they should NOT nag the player with cash shops.
Also important: limit the amount of games available - this is valid both for current and retro games. The moment you have “all the games” at your disposal, several things kick in: analysis paralysis, appeal to familiarity (will only play what you already know or someone knows), seeing no value in the games^[If, when you were small, you only had a limited selection of games, which was common during the cartridge era, you would be very careful with choosing new games to ask your parents to buy, though renting was an option to see which ones were good or not. You had to make do with the little you had. When you got bored with one, you either looked through your collection and played something else, or did something else entirely; you never threw away a game (unless it really sucked) and you never got a new game on a whim. That is good.].
Others mentioned the social aspect, which is true as well and something they just can’t experience nowadays anymore. Minecraft and Roblox are famous because they’re easy for kids to pick and play with friends. Back in our days, we had to physically sit beside one another and play together, or pass the controller on death; we also physically lent and traded games, so the games also had value within our little social circles. While fully digital games are extremely convenient, the “scarcity” gave them a social value that they completely lack today and which I suppose boardgames now fill out (yes, you can play them online, but playing on an actual table is almost always better)
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
i don’t think i’ve ever heard anyone call it “the ps3 era”.
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You’re not wrong about “freedom within limits” when it comes to gaming imho. Having access to everything means you/they will play nothing. Witness my Steam library :/
But introducing artifical scarcity means you can curate the experience with them. Something small, bespoke and meaningful that you can bond over.
As the saying goes, you can never step in the same river twice, but you can point out the best spot for others.
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Honestly this is how my parents(‘ generation) got me into gaming, pre-NES, because I was playing their games on Atari and Intellivision. I don’t know if it was the NES’s marketing or what that made people associate video games = for kids, but they were all in their 20s at the time and they had a blast with that stuff
Toneswirly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cant force the shit, same with any culturally significant thing from your childhood. Think of it in reverse: if you aren’t willing to engage with their zeitgeist in good faith, how could you expect them to engage with yours?
thearch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
out of touch? more like saving her from the absolute garbage fire that passes for ‘games’ these days. she’ll actually learn what a good game is. this dad’s doing god’s work.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Given all the child predators on Roblox, can’t blame ya
taiyang@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My 3yos two favorite games are Mario 64 and Rhythm Heaven (in literally any form, but 3ds most approachable). The latter is especially funny that the 1yo is getting in on the references; “Wabba dubba dubba, that true?” and they both go “Un.” Might be a Halloween costume in the making.
And don’t get her started on those Rock and Roll frogs.
Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Now my daughter brings her friends home to play Mario 64! Masterpieces have no expiry date!!
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This one dad wrote an article about introducing his kid to retro gaming, starting with the old Atari console and progressing through newer generations every few months.
medium.com/…/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3
(some of the image links are broken on the original article so here’s an archive link)
cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I did this to myself because I only played games that my gpu could perform and that was the reason why pretty much all of the games I play are pre 2010.
christian@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Telling my five-year-old that if they can beat Ecco the Dolphin in front of me I will take them out for ice cream, but I’m not sitting down to watch more often than once a week.
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Games back then were made to be games. Games now are made to be addicting. I think it’s a good idea to stick to the old school games for as long as possible.
treesapx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When I was young my parents encouraged me to watch Marx Brothers, Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello. These are easy things for children to watch because the physical comedy is universal.
As I got older my love for them remained, but also it gave me a love for media from any age. So long as it’s done reasonably I think this sort of thing can be quite enriching.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I have had an N-64 plugged into the back of my TV for 25 years straight. The TV has changed. My kids were raised on this shit.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why so salty about a dad sharing his interests and stuff from his life with his kid? She can play other games too.
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My little guy just started Mario Paint this week and he’s loving it. He’s not reading yet so a game with easy symbols and painting is age appropriate. Plus that fly game is getting him a lot of practice learning how to use a computer mouse.
macncheese@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A well made game knows no age limits! My kiddo was super into the original mario when we showed it to him. I would have thought it would look dated, but he doesn’t know!
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can’t replace the Roblox and Fortnite, you can only hope to supplement them.
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
as if everybody gaming in the 90’s we were all in sync with each other. lol i was rocking pc win98 tie fighter, and old floppy disc knock off games/ sim city, one kid down the street, she had a Nintendo with 3 Disney games Aladdin, lion king etc, one had a Sega with zombies ate my neighbors, that paper boy game and some sanic. it was pure chaos even later when “everyone” had a ps1 everyone’s tastes were completely different. sure there were trends but nobody felt they were stuck in a outdated bubble like op is implying except for that Atari kid. only played pong, fuck that bubble kid neanderthal mutherfucker. lol
BandDad@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We have a whole retro game station complete with CRT that they can play. They love Mario, Duck Hunt, some of the other games and are now gravitating to Gameboy, SNES and PS One. They like the Switch too, but usually go for the older stuff first.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Spiderman 2: I solely play as Peter Parker. My daughter solely plays as Miles Morales. I wish the game was 2 player.
Minecraft: my daughter watches the YouTube videos yet somehow I’m the one who got us diamond armor. Go figure.
Super Mario Odyssey: She always makes me Mario and she’s a good cappy.
She’s not even remotely athletic but she’s brainy and is pretty popular with her friends. Go figure.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Counterpoint:
The reason they will be out of touch is that they will have better impulse control and better spending habits than kids raised on modern games.
So basically, actual ‘nerds’ are rasing another generation of ‘nerds’, except this time, nerds 2.0 will probably actually be more socially intelligent than the brain dead zombies being raised on fornite, roblox and tiktok, who have negative attention spans and cannot fathom the concept of doing any actual thought-work, when chatgpt can just do their homework for them.
They’ll also be more tech savvy, like being exposed to or having to learn at least some of how emulation works, which kinda de facto makes you understand things like a file structure, which an increasing number of kids (now adults too) raised on modern mobile UIs… have no clue about.
Oh, they’ll also likely just be generally more literate.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You’re not kidding about file structure. I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones. Every thing is just “in here somewhere” and it’ll pray the search feature can find it when I eventually locate the file browser.
I miss my PC
taiyang@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Due to circumstances, I’ve had to emulate more on phones. You very much can figure out the file structure so long at its Android (and 9 times out of 10 shit is just in the download folder). I swear my wife’s iPhone is a little black box, though.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Do yourself a favor and install a FOSS file manager system, if you can / its not too much trouble on your particular phone.
Basicslly every phone OS goes out of their way to make their particular file browsing app batcrap overcomplicated and unintuitive if you want to do anything other than exactly what they want you do do.
Which is usually sync everything on your phone to their cloud and your account.
I am running a sort of jerry rigged, half baked, de goodled android, … basically I have torn out, replaced or disabled everything I can without root, but left in play store and core g services so i can actually still use it for common apps… done the best I can to lock down everything to its bare minimim privelege set, never use a big ole shared account for anything, everything is a separate, old school email account.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
You’re in a virtualized container that only exposes some directories, also those directories are mostly hidden from you, also within this container you generally don’t have any permissions to them, and also every application completely obfuscates it’s folder access via some file access API.
It’s crazy to me how hard consumers got fucked right from the start on phone software and how normalized we are to it.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
In a certain way, probably me neither. I use ls, df, md5sum, cp, mv, rsync, tar, gzip, gpg, vim, touch and mkdir in Termux (terminal emulator for Android). For example, say I am replacing MP3 for FLAC. I really like to keep the timestamps of when I added the specific song, but I can’t find any better way than
touch -r oldfile.mp3 newfile.flacBut I also use FX File explorer for certain tasks, as it thankfully keeps timestamps. I absolutely hate how moving photos in Google Photos updates the modified timestamp to the date of when the file was moved. Why?
And I also have an ancient version of ES File explorer, version 4.0.2.3. Before it enshittified.
But I am not sure whatever that is installable from within the device, or it’s old enough to require
adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app.apklike some other old apps I use.Anyway, I have no idea what’s going on with iPhones and files, or whether that’s a non-existent concept there.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
With android the default file thing is integrated with cloud. The version of files that was local only like a real operating system is in there somewhere but not something a user can access on demand. So it’s literally not ‘in here somewhere’ anymore.
I had to find a third party tool on f.droid.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah the nerds usually find themselves in very powerful social circles if they survive school. Circles of emotionally mature experts with strong careers.
Kids’ needs are of course very important, but abandoning engaging hobbies in favor of some phantom desire to fit in is dumb.
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
You’re assuming they’ll be hired and promoted by emotionally mature people.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Apples and oranges.
'90s equivalent to “them goshdang tiktoks and fortnites” isn’t Half-Life and Ocarina of Time, it’s Television. The Simpsons or DBZ. Or those awful “classic” animated shows from the '80s that were designed from the ground up to be toy ads. “Impulse control” my ass, most of y’all were glued up to the TV screen like a moth to a lamp and only got consumption impulses out of it. Calling young people “brain dead zombies” is such an “old man yells at cloud” moment, look at yourself.
There’s more culture than ever being created now thanks to the incredibly lower barrier to entry. There are more incredible microtransaction-less indie games made in the last 10 years than the exhaustive library of most gaming consoles back then. Celeste, Outer Wilds, Expedition 33, Baldur’s Gate 3, Tunic…
The existence of slop is a constant across generations, and clinging to an idealized past is such a foolish endeavor, and will cause you to lose out on so much relevant cultural discourse happening right now. How many classic video games from the '90s might a queer kid growing up nowadays look up to? How many?? How many had, oh, I don’t know, a goddamn female protagonist? And don’t say that Samus counts. What a lame-ass culture to let our daughters grow up in.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean, as a 90s kid, and tech dork… yeah, I largely did drop TV almost entirely, in favor of console and pc gaming, and exploring the early public internet on a 56k modem.
I would imagine most tech dorks of the era did as well?
Like, as soon as I learned how to block ads on the internet, then later on youtube, as well as uh, obtain audio visual media without cost… I did that regularly, never looked back, began to actually not be able to stand TV due to ads everywhere all the time.
And yep, I am still calling anyone who watches ads for anything, anyone who buys into incredibly exploitative business models that waste your time, money, or both, yep, I’ve been calling them idiot consumer zombies since the 90s, consistently.
You are right that there are more non bs indie games now. That is great! That is good.
Are more games more diverse now?
Yes! Also good.
… But I’ve had basically the same opinions on all this since the 90s, I am not rembering an idealized past, I am one of the nerds thats been this way the whole damn time.
They call Gen Z the digital native generation, but this omits the ubernerd Millenials such as myself (and others from other generations) who forged the way, who were early adopters from a young age, who were digital visionaries that forged the path before the ecosystems got to be more user friendly, more accessible, more mainstream.
Like uh, without potentially doxxing myself, of those indie games you list?
Yeah, I know a few people on one of those game’s dev teams, personally, met them online when I was first like like 13, back when multiplayer games had server browsers with private custom servers, some of those also had their own websites and forums, all we had for voice comms was ventrilo… I met these people way back, have regularly voice chatted and gamed with them for… 20 years?
I myself have been modding (as in making mods) for that long as well, I literally taught myself how to code so that I could do it, before I got out of high school, before any high school offered coding classes, before Adobe bought out Macromedia, and flash games on Newgrounds were all the rage.
Not to try to gatekeep nerddom with some kind of official checklist you have to measure up against, but I think you are considerably underestimating the potential nerdiness of a lot of really dedicated nerds from that era, and thus writing them off as ‘old men yelling at clouds’… when we’ve been yelling at those same clouds since we were kids, then we went on to actually implement the changes we deemed necessary, as best as we could when up against the corporate and financial behemoths constructed by Boomers.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Never discount the sheer volume of text and dialog contained in the average mid-90s JRPG!
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
4 CDs of text to be read!! Though I’ll gladly replay the 2 CDs of Chrono Cross for the beautiful graphics, music and characters.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nerds v Normies?
With respect