This isn’t baking class 🥺
HELP HIM.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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cybervseas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Worst icing ever
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
Noooooo. Poor rattie :(
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
They generally don’t mind this
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
I’d like to see their survey results
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This pic looks like the same from a post people talked about how this is used to transport lab rats around a lab, that it cam be comforting to them, comfy confinment or something. tldr the rat is safe (for a likely lab rat) and this is humane treatment.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
Not really. It causes them stress. “Safe” and “Humane” are variable. But it definitely isn’t the “best” restraint method.
As for example explored by this paper: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10844733/
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
The rat is safe in that it can’t hurt itself or others, but they feel the same about this kind of confinement as humans do. I guess whether that counts as humane is a matter of opinion.
Psythik@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately this is rather tame compared to the fucked up shit we put ratties through in the name of science.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
I know… :(.
I’m sure some of it is worthwhile. But knowing a couple applied researchers who work in animal labs, according to them a large amount of what is done is absolutely useless and only serves to get out a new useless product TM or publish a paper that looks good.
socsa@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Ow lawd, he pipin
WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
For those who don’t know, this is how some labs use rats and mice when the are uncooperative. I don’t think the intent is to hurt the mouse, just to contain it briefly.
Not saying it’s okay or not okay. Just saying why it’s like this.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’ve seen a vet do this to a rat at the vet who was very much only interested in climbing
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
it definitely doesn’t hurt the mouse, maybe they’re a bit uncomfortable but it’s just all-round the best solution for everyone involved
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Best solution would be to not use antiquated systems for testing for human consumption, a method that isn’t even that indicative of how it would react to a human anyway.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
And they probably grab the rat by the taip and beat the shit out of it.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
yeah! animal testing only exists to cause harm! outcomes are irrelevant - science gets off on beating up animals and THATS why animal testing exists… those sadistic pricks
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Despite all my rage
apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Despite all my nag*
Toes@ani.social 3 weeks ago
This image fills my heart with dread :[
This reminds me of when a lab technician explained to me what happens to all the mice at the end of the experiment. 😭
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fucked up part are the experiments, not the euthanasia.
Rats have to be killed because we don’t know if they will continue to suffer after the painful experiments done on them. They can’t be let out either because it can harm the general rat population. Companies don’t give enough of a shit about keeping rats alive in rat retirement homes either.
shneancy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
which is doubly so sad because rats don’t even live that long :( if an experiment lasts 1,5 years an average rat will only live for 6 more months. a rat retirement home wouldn’t even be a big commitment
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
but also like, it’s kinda nice to not do cancer research on humans, for all that animal testing sucks human testing is almost universally viewed as 1000x worse and doing no testing at all is also unacceptable because that means we don’t decrease the amount of humans who suffer terrible diseases and deaths (which for reference can be you or people you love).
Nikls94@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In my country, for a vet to pass classes, they need to put a rat in anesthesia. Those rats are all the same weight and age. I’ve adopted 3 once. They’re amazing pets but only live for up to 3 years
Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Patisserat
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Fuck all animal testing and every scientist participating in it.
enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Computational biochemistry is slowly getting there. Alphafold was a big breakthrough, and there is plenty of ongoing research simulating more and more.
We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.
I do however agree that animal testing outside of clinical research approved by a competent independent ethics committee can fuck right off. (Looking at you, cosmetics industry)
AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.
Getting rid of animal testing is the exact purpose of organ-on-a-chip research! This is actual bioengineered cultures, not simulations (not dissing on computational biochemistry - also extremely important)
If you can test without the full animal, then models (in this context, models = what you use for testing, be it cultures or animals) based on human induced pluropotent stem cells (ie cells taken from live, adult humans and forced to revert to a stem cell status) in an in vitro setting can actually be more relevant to human physiology than live animal models.
There are a lot of caveats (if it were easy, it would already be done), and there are barriers needed to be overcome for in vitro models to even come close to in vivo and ex vivo models. But a lot of people are investing in it, not (only) due to ethics but also due to lower model cost and better match of in vitro results with the actual effect on a live human body.
I can give papers when I get home, if you want.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
What’s wrong with thalidomide? We can just put the shelves lower!
devilish666@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ahh that’s why my cake icing taste like Black Death
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Can images of animal abuse please be labeled as such and get a NSFW blur please?
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Isn’t this standard practice ?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
What part of them is unsafe for work?
angrystego@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They didn’t say it’s NSFW, just that they’d appreciate the blur. Not everyone wants to look at such things randomly.
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
It’s been put forth that we should have other kinds of censor tags on Lemmy, but NSFW is currently the only one supported. It’s been used here and on other sites for disturbing imagery of murders, spiders for arachnophobes, etc. Even without that, a text tag of [animal abuse] facilitates the use of client-side content filters.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
[deleted]stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I’m literally eating vegan nuggets right now, but thanks for being an ass.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
Dawg we’re vegan we fucking know, we just don’t want to see this shit uncensored on our feed.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Pls put the image in a spoiler tag to stop the barrage of reports. 🙏
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Out of sight, out of mind
stray@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Do I need to look at images of dead Palestinian kids too? Does wanting to go about my day in a measure of peace mean I don’t really care?
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Shame whoever took this
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
This is how we treat rats in the lab. Sorry if you buy any products tested on animals.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Fuck animal testing
I hardly believe there aren’t other ways to manage animal research
Kuori@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
kinda wish this came with a cw for animal abuse
Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Its probably not a good way to transport them because that looks very stressful but it probably keeps them warm so it might be better than a metal cage.
Slowy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a decapi-cone… for euthanasia (sorry)
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Piping hot rat.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Apply directly to the cake
enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
pocong rat
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not going to yuck Remmy’s yum.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Does anyone remember bonsai-kitty?
funkajunk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Does this hurt the rat?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The action of putting them in the tube doesn’t, some of them actually quite like it. However, this is a rat used for testing of some kind so it will be hurt at some point
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Maybe it’s in the control group
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Eventually yes
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I am going to hypothesize here: depends on how long rat’s in the tube.
I’m imagining a scenario where a vet has to X-ray a pet rat. Rat goes in the tube for 5 minutes while images are taken and then Rat can come back out of the tube. Rat’s probably going to be okay. A treat may be in order.
If he had to stay in there for a month, I don’t think he’ll ever be a normal rat again.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It ain’t easy being tapered.
SeaDawg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No. Image
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
IS IT WORTH IT
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Cellular peptide cake is the best