Have you encountered this?
Submitted 8 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I feel like there may be some missing information. For example, if the customer had a coupon or other discount. The tip should be a percentage of the total before the discount. If they’re “adjusting” to tip less- based on the post-coupon price, fuck them.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
For the longest time, I’d find a tip between 15% and 20% which would result in a final total that was a palindrome. That was about 20 years ago and that’s the first thing I noticed in this picture.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Tipping, specifically in the original context of restaurants, I will still do, simply because the government needs to change the minimum wage so that servers are included. They’re currently a protected group that is allowed to be paid far less than minimum wage, and they are supposed to make up the difference in tips.
In every other context, wow me and I’ll tip you, otherwise, don’t expect shit.
If you did your job as you are expected to do, then I don’t see why I need to tip.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It was always a dumb idea to pay servers LESS because they got tips. There was a time when tips were mostly cash and you didn’t have to claim them as income. But now that advantage is almost completely gone. And we should just end tipping. If you go out and don’t like the service then don’t go back. Just like it works with any other business.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thank you! After all the comments and being a server I was starting to feel like I was going crazy!
Like you said, tip your servers accordingly and if not then don’t go the f out! Go through a drive thru instead!
And if you hate the tipping culture then try to change it! Don’t punish the servers for your selfish actions and beliefs for a service rendered! You don’t HAVE to be waited on… you chose that! So don’t choose to not tip that’s an asshole move and if you’re a regular even worse!
EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You could easily get away with not claiming tips as income, that is.
Allemaniac@lemmy.world 8 months ago
whenever I see a “suggested tip for your inconvenience” I feel the urge to research (aka google) their reported earnings for the last economical year, calculate their profit margin and write that in the tip line and to pay their employees better instead of trying to shift the costs onto the customers with scammy guilty conscience. Fuck establishments like that, especially those who are then trying to conceive you ONTOP of the already bs tips
vga@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
The whole tip thing is a scam to begin with.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If your employees rely on tips to meet months end your business model is shit.
MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This may be anecdotal, but I ran into this exact same issue a few weeks ago. The suggested 20% was significantly higher than the 20% on the bill. It took me a little bit to figure out, but we were at the restaurant for a steak special and happy hour. The 20% tip was for the non-special price. For example, the steak and two sides special was $18, but the normal price was $28. The drinks were $5 but the normal price was $8. So the suggested tip was 20% of $36, not 20% of $23. These aren’t the exact numbers, and there were two of us, but you get the idea. The POS/Tip suggestion is setup so the servers don’t get the shit end of the stick when the restaurant is doing a deal/special. I’m not sure I fully agree with it, and I have my own beef with tipping culture in general, but I’m just looking to explain what might be seen in OP’s photo.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I don’t know if Groupon is still a thing, but at its peak there were posts online on a regular basis from wait staff who got stiffed, because customers would tip based on the balance they owed after the 90%+ discount Groupon voucher.
Shayeta@feddit.org 8 months ago
Not my problem. If it says 20%, it should be 20%. For trying to pull shit like this it is going to be a 0% from me.
Mister_Ruse@aussie.zone 8 months ago
It’s not hard to include a disclaimer tip prices based on full price if that’s the case to avoid looking bad.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s should be common sense. Tip on the FULL amount not on a discount you received, you didn’t get discounted food or service so tip accordingly. It’s not hard.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It was probably the percentage BEFORE a discount was given… just because a discount happens doesn’t mean you should skip out on the tip of a server… example, you have a $100 bill with a $50 discount, you DO NOT TIP ON THE DISCOUNT, you tip on THE TOTAL bill of service. You still all got the same amount of food and service, so stop with this short tipping staff!
Can’t afford a tip then don’t fucking go to a damn restaurant! I make more as a server with half the hours than when I was a full time teacher! America is fucked but don’t fuck fellow people over because you can’t comprehend the tipping culture and are a cheap POS!
Mickey7@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In your experience what percentage of people tipped $0 or far less than 20%?
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Honestly, people in my community are amazing! I get well over 20% most of the time, very rarely will I get $0 tips and honestly it’s from teenagers or young adults who shouldn’t be “dining in” if they don’t have a tip after food costs! (Go fast food or take out, don’t punish me because you don’t have money for a tip!)
Other than this one mid age douche that comes in every other week and orders like $40-50 worth of food and NEVER tips! I ignore his table if I am busy. People pay me for food and SERVICE and if I know you aren’t going to tip me, I ain’t going to provide the best service!
kamen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The problem is that because of the way it’s written, it ends up misleading.
If there was a simple disclaimer like “tip based on non-discounted prices”, it would’ve been fine.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I agree but also, that’s common sense… just because your bill was discounted doesn’t mean you discount my tip, you still got all the food and great service, so wtf! I don’t get how people are still confused, tipping in America has been a thing for decades!
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You’re right. Not sure why you’d be down voted.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thank you!! They didn’t like my responses as a fellow server former teacher! I make more with half the hours as a server than a full time teacher, that’s savage and what’s truly wrong with America! Don’t like the tipping culture than don’t go out, it’s not that fucking hard. Don’t punish servers for your beliefs! I just don’t get people. Why downvote me when I am providing my first hand experiences?
nickiam2@aussie.zone 8 months ago
This may be a “hot take” but the service staff is employed by the restaurant, not me. It’s not my job to pay the employees of the restaurant. It’s the owners and employers job to pay the staff. I want to know the price of the thing I’m buying when I order it, not after taxes are added and in some places a “cost of living” fee on top of that. Them to expect the customer to pay even more on top of all the extra bs fees the house charges instead of just increasing the price of the food. No thanks
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Don’t know where you live but taxes are always a thing, welcome to America. All bills show EXACTLY what you are paying for, if you don’t want to tip or change the tipping culture than do it, otherwise TIP your servers or fuck off and get take out, it’s not that fucking hard!
andros_rex@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tipping is a holdover from slavery. It’s a way to control service workers.
This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t tip people who rely on tips, it means the system is fucking broken by design.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Tips are a big reason I stopped going out. Everybody wants one.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Every single time I see a fucking Square cash register… One of these motherfuckers:
ImageEvery single time I see that piece of shit, I know I’m about to hear the “it’s just going to ask you a few questions” line. And those “few questions” will be asking me to tip 25 goddamned percent on something that I’ve never tipped for before.
Aarrodri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fuck tips. 0 tips. Pay your people.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m all for refusing to tip, but be up-front about it. Let the server know ahead of time that you won’t be tipping. You’ll still get served, but it’ll be with the level of service that the waiter thinks you should get, rather than with the level of service that you think you deserve (without paying them). If you’re going to refuse to tip, at least take the mask off so your server can do the same.
If you’re willing to do that, then more power to you. Believe it or not, many servers will be chill about it, and treat you the same as any other customer. Especially if you’re there when it’s slow. But if you’re afraid to be honest because you might get worse service, then you’re just a scab who is leeching from the tipping culture and only hurting the working class.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You pay for the service of being waited on… don’t want to tip… then go to McDonald’s! wtf! 🤬
Ronno@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Is there an option to pick up my own food at the counter? I’d gladly do it.
h3rmit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Do you tip for the service for customer tech support or similar customer facing industries as well?
nickiam2@aussie.zone 8 months ago
It’s not a “service”. All I want from the staff is to tell them what I want to order and to bring the food. That’s all. I don’t see what extra “service” I’m supposedly paying for
pupbiru@aussie.zone 8 months ago
the restaurant pays for their staff… should you pay for having a table and chair too? staff is a basic requirement of a restaurant
camelbeard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wait so you get scammed but still give 20% tips? This would be an automatic 0% tip
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, what’s likely happening here is that the Tip numbers were told to calculated off the subtotal intentionally. So say you buy a “happy hour” drink and it is $3 instead of $6, they tip is calculated before the “discount”.
Their machine could have actually been wrong, but using a total before discounts seems more likely.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
On the surface, I can understand this. It’s not the server’s fault that they got the happy hour rush when everything is 50% off. If anything, they had to work harder because it was busier. Why punish them for that extra work with lower tip calculations? The drinks aren’t any easier or faster to pour just because they’re half off.
What does bug me is when the tip calculations are based on the after-tax total. Fuck that, I’m already getting taxed 10% on this, you don’t need your 18% calculated from that extra 10%.
jerakor@startrek.website 8 months ago
You think the wait staff setup the machine to do math wrong?
Agent641@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No because I live in Australia where the govt forces restaurants to Pauly their staff in full.
onlyhalfminotaur@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wow must be cool living somewhere completely irrelevant to this post!
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 8 months ago
If only, the tipping crap is trying to leak in here.
lightsblinken@lemmy.world 8 months ago
we’re in shitpost and you’re complaining about quality? also - its related by “tips”, but maybe you just wanted to practise your sarcasm.
Tja@programming.dev 8 months ago
Pauly must be busy.
astutemural@midwest.social 8 months ago
OH MY GOD! They tried to scam you out of a whole $1.49!!!
Don’t care. Round up to ten, you greedy cardboard cutout of a person.
belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Give 20% tip. Get called greedy. America is truly a sight to behold.
astutemural@midwest.social 8 months ago
Tip your fellow workers. Agitate for companies to pay their workers a living wage, but in the meantime - tip your comrades.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tipping by percentage never made much sense to me. I order a coffee at a diner, the waitress only gets a 42 cent tip? She should get more if she has to carry a plate of food? She checks on me the same amount. That’s a five dollar tip at least.
Taleya@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Hahah in my country she gets a wage for that shit
AA5B@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not only that but that waitress at a diner is probably providing a hell of a lot better service than that bartender where I have to wave money just to get served
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have yet to encounter an automatic tip calculation that doesn’t base the tip on the total bill including taxes. It’s a pretty infuriating cash grab. Not only am I directly having to pay an employee’s wages so the restaurant doesn’t have to, I’m having to tip the government, too? (Yeah, I know the government doesn’t get the tip)
Mickey7@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But the government does get some from the “claimed” wages of the server
bss03@infosec.pub 8 months ago
I’ve seen auto-calculated tip of all combinations of with/without tax, with/without percent discount, and with/without individual item discounts.
I wish tipping would end, by mandating a living wage for all workers from the chef to the diskwasher and including all the waitstaff and everyone else in both the front and the back. But, until it does, I try to be generous with my tips, but also kind to people that can’t or are simply tired of “tipflation”.
93maddie94@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Not saying this isn’t real and completely scummy, but sometimes the tip is calculated before discounts, gift cards, and whatnot. I always tip based on what our total order was even if what we paid was less. If this is truly trying to fudge the numbers to take advantage of people then that’s shitty.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Also, the restaurant probably has no control over those numbers. The software might give them a Yes/No option on showing suggested tips or not at best.
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My only exception to the “pre-discount” price is when places have a “buy 1 get 1” deal and they try to make you tip based on that, but the single item price is way overpriced because of it. Happens around me a lot where they’re like 3pack tacos, buy 1 get 1 $21, like yeah that’s great price for 6 small tacos, but I wouldn’t be paying $21 for 3 tacos, so I’m not gonna tip whatever crazy amount for a bill that “would have been” $75 or something for some tacos and a drink. Granted these are usually carry out orders, but don’t try to artificially inflate my bill to get better tips because you discounted it to a lower price.
Tja@programming.dev 8 months ago
Is that usd? A great price for 6 small tacos is 6 bucks, 21 is ridiculous.
93maddie94@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It looks like the percentages are based of a total of $37.95, so it’s possible there was a discount included that made their total closer to $30.
bss03@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Maybe a comp’d desert (or app) that’s ~$8 ?
codapine@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Always tip on the subtotal. If your server worked their ass off for your table but you had a coupon for, let’s say, 50% off 2 entrees and a birthday dessert, that’s just devalued their effort by about $50.
Also, the tipping culture is broken, and this is bonkers.
I came from a tipping-optional culture and worked foodservice. If I got good tips, they went back into the bar at the end of the shift, or into my savings jar at home. It was never make-or-break on whether I got to pay rent or not.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
And they still tipped?
My tip would have been 0 right there and would have included a complaint with police
Bristlecone@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I was going to say I would have calculated out and either an even lower option and written it in and then tipped that 😂
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Highly doubt the server was being malicious. They aren’t putting that on the receipt. It’s a shitty thing for sure but it’s unlikely that server had anything to do with it.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I don’t care who it is that is defrauding the customers, but somebody is. These numbers don’t “accidentally” go wrong, this is clearly abusive and yes, police would be called over this. I’m sure the server is innocent, but then the restaurant owner isn’t
AA5B@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then you’re assuming a clear pattern of fraud, not just one server cheating. That’s bigger than just not tipping
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s the wiggle room so the server doesn’t notice when they take the cc fee out
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Also, you’re supposed to tip on the subtotal.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When I see they have made a “mistake” like this. I don’t correct it… I make my own mistake and give a smaller tip than i would have
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Yes punish the server for the restaurant’s crimes. A story as old as tipped wages.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yep, this is highway to a $1 tip from me.
But that depends on the business. The $1 tip would only be for a chain company where I know the employees are making at least normal minimum wage and the tips are just a tip on top.
kinther@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I went to a restaurant recently with my wife for our anniversary. Had great reviews on Google Maps above 4.5 stars. Yes I know this should not be the only indicator of a good experience, but the food sounded good and it was in a neighborhood we don’t often go to. Something new.
When we got the bill, the server came to us and skipped past the food prices to the tip screen immediately. That should have been my red flag to stop and ask why she did that, but I didn’t. I tipped 20%, then later found out that they already included that in the bill. So I tipped 20% on top of the total that already included 20%. Needless to say I won’t be going back.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Smart businesses know that the key is “customer retention” and they don’t screw you. Dumb businesses operate on “one and done”. “We’ll screw them and they probably will never come back”
kinther@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It wasn’t the business that did this. It was the server looking for a one time bonus.
Sarmyth@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I call and complain for crap like this all the time now. I make sure to let them know I bitch to all my friends and coworkers about it too.
My latest crusade is restaurants that put 4% service fees to help pay for people’s health insurance. Just raise the price on the individual items on the menu. Making me math out what you are actually charging like that is bullshit.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I would have gone back and not left until I had both 20%s in my hand. Call the police? Please do!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Do a review on Google maps, and TripAdvisor, if you are in a touristy city. Warn the world, and put the ownership on notice.
codapine@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Also consider complaining to the secretary of state perhaps? Idk, it’s not city tax revenue so not likely, but it’s still fraud. But I would definitely consider a chargeback. This is just like in the old days when managers or severs would scribble in a different tip and total on the merchant copy.
kinther@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh we did
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 8 months ago
2x3=6
jacksilver@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m surprised no one mentioned that a lot also calculate the tip after applying taxes.
Example: Meal was $40, then a 20% tip would be $8. But if taxes were $4 (making the total bill $44), then the receipt would show $8.80.
firewyre@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Stop tipping!!! no more
oyzmo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Customer pays for product/service, and it’s the employer’s job the pay the employees. What the employer needs for this is his/her job to include in the price.
perniciousanteater@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m guessing the tip is calculated before any discounts/comps, which would be conspicuously cut off in this photo
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 months ago
It’s closer to $6.11. I do math :)
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I keep getting weird and threating comments/messages and all I have to say to everyone who doesn’t tip…
Watch the moving “Waiting” then get back to me…
You’re a regular ordering $50 worth of food with no tip… lesson, don’t fuck with the people who serve you food. COMMON FUCKING SENSE! Not that I would do that… but it’s clearly an option I have thought about and the more and more he doesn’t tip for service the more and more I am living the movie, “Waiting”…