In California, I usually just double the tax, which normally comes out to about 16%.
Have you encountered this?
Submitted 8 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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LilDumpy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have seen this in a few places in person. It must be relatively common.
genau@europe.pub 8 months ago
No. But mostly because tips are not a thing here.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How sketchy has to be the scam so it justifies just leaving without paying?
Some scams i have encounter:
- added 3 pints per customer
- added things we didnt ask for (when asked about it, they said something on the lines "we forgot to charge that on another table, someone has to pay for it"
- menu prices weren’t up to date
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
“we forgot to charge that on another table, someone has to pay for it”
Da fuq?
I haven’t seen this. Name and shame this place?
Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It was some bar forgotten by god in Villa Ballester, Argentina. The place is called Basta Pablo.
Strangely enough, the place survived the pandemic and is still open. Maybe people just don’t care. Reading at the bad reviews, it wasn’t an isolated case.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m (NOT) living in America. 🎶
PrimeErective@startrek.website 8 months ago
Must be wunderbar
exu@feditown.com 8 months ago
That would be a reason not to give a tip.
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 8 months ago
No it isn’t. I agree tip culture is ridiculous, but if you go somewhere where that is the norm, and then you don’t tip, you’re an asshole. No question.
Madison420@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s probably basing the tip on a pre discount amount.
The writer is proud of doing math but should be ashamed of their critical thinking and ego.
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Did you just make up a scenario and then try to shame them for not using the critical thinking you just invented?
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That would be a reason to throw hands (okay, I’d consider it for a second and then calm down but still!), and I’d definitely leave without paying, nvm the tip, lol. You’d be lucky if I didn’t scream cause I randomly found a cockroach in my coffee or something. 🤷
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Restaurant tries to scam customers, yet they still give a 20% tip?
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The solution is to never step foot in the restaurant again not punish the server.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thank you! I am just one server do not punish me because you hate the tipping culture of America! Don’t like it, like you said, don’t go to a damn restaurant then! Easy peasy!
Don’t punish another person for your thoughts, feelings, etc about the situation of ripping, it’s not their fault, it’s yours for not tipping them because “you don’t agree” then go to damn McDonald’s!
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
“Fuck you restaurant for trying to scam me, now I’ll only pay the correct 20% extra on top of my bill”
bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Pretty sure the waitress wasn’t the one who fucked with the register. Probably the restaurant trying to ensure they don’t have to pay the difference if the tips come up short and leave the staff below minimum wage.
AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 8 months ago
The “I’m just doing my job” defence. Nice.
random_character_a@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You think place like that distributes tips honestly?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I feels like reasoning like this is why it would never end.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yep, that’s a solid 0% for me
kautau@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah that restaurant owner will certainly learn from the fact that they don’t legally have to pay their servers minimum wage and you still paid the owner what they would have gotten whether or not the server got a tip
As another commenter said, in this situation pay the server in cash, and then review the restaurant badly everywhere you can
Eiri@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
You WRITE the tip amount on the receipt? How does the payment terminal know how much to take?
funkajunk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The server has to manually enter it.
Here’s their bullshit workflow:
- Print the check
- Customer reviews it
- Credit card is given to the server
- Card is swiped/authorized at the POS
- Server returns with the receipts
- Customer then writes in the tip amount and signs on the merchant copy
- Server takes the signed receipt and enters the tip amount back at the POS
For whatever reason, the USA keeps using their signature, when the technology for pay at the table has been around for decades.
Meanwhile, chip & PIN has been standard everywhere in Canada for the last decade, with some businesses using it for almost another decade prior to that. Mexico wasn’t far behind either, so it’s absolutely possible to adopt better methods.
hypnotoad__@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Money. Banks make money on chargebacks and disputes. The bad system makes them money. That’s why we have the bad system. Money. Like always.
EveningPancakes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The transaction remains open until the end of the shift. At the end of the shift, the checks are closed out with the updated tip amount included in the final charge.
Eiri@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I didn’t know a transaction could be updated after the fact. That’s wild.
Thatuserguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The quick way I was taught to eyeball it is to shift the decimal over one place to the left in the total, and double it. That’s 20%. In this case $30.53 > $3.053 > $6.106 ~ $6.10
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s entered manually, usually at the end of the shift. It’s standard for most, if not all restaurants in the United States
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s getting to be less common. A lot of newer/trendier places are giving their wait-staff tablets (which are also handling ordering, seating status, etc), or at least portable payment terminals.
Some of the big established chains have kiosks at the table where you can order apps/drinks directly, pay, play games.
I’ve also been to several places that’ll put a QR code on the receipt for payment. They may also have their menu online that you can get from a QR on the table. As an added bonus that usually means their online menu is actually kept up to date.
NotSteve_@piefed.ca 8 months ago
In Canada they just bring you the payment machine and it asks the percent you want to tip. There is a physical bill but its only used by the server to know what to enter really
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 8 months ago
I don’t like in a madhouse where they put tips on the cheque thankfully nor expect tips in percentages, so… no
Korne127@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tips in the US must be entirely out of control. In my experience, 10% is for good service, above for rare exceptional and less if you weren’t entirely satisfied. Not even printing anything below 16 is insane.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 8 months ago
20% has actually been the norm for a while. Maybe it was a bit on the upper end a couple decades ago while now it's more default, but I remember my parents tipping 20% for normal service back in the 90's. Of course, with prices soaring tipping is still getting pricier and pricier, but the expected percentage here has been relatively stable.
The thing that's out of control is where you're expected to tip now. I often see a tip prompt come up at retail stores where the only service the employee provided was ringing up the items I brought. I never tip in those kinds of situations, and I doubt the employee would see any of it even if I did.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
the idea of percentage based tipping is so wild to me, in my mind a tip is only based on the reason i want to tip them.
If they did an impressive job but just did their job then i’ll give them a euro or something, if they had to endure something miserable like cleaning up baby vomit then they get like 10 euro because god knows that’s what i’d need to stay on that job.
ghostlychonk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tipped minimum wage in the US is $2.13/hour, hence the reason for the high percentages.
Plurrbear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Idk where you are living but in MN it’s $11.10/hr plus tips. I get paid more because I am an assistant manager as well so $15/hr plus my tips as a server. I make almost 3X more than when I was a teacher working full time and I have half as many hours…
Rusty@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I’m not sure it would be better without minimum wage for tipped employees rule. For example the minimum wage in Ontario is $17 and it’s the same for servers, but all the restaurants have tip suggestions like: 18%, 20% and 25%
Korne127@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh right i forgot about that. That’s insane as well; minimum wage should be… well, minimum, obviously; for everyone.