Can’t wait to see this bad boy on serverpartdeals in a couple years if I’m still alive
Say Hello to the World's Largest Hard Drive, a Massive 36TB Seagate
Submitted 8 months ago by TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.vice.com/en/article/worlds-largest-hard-drive-massive-36tb-seagate/
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Turret3857@infosec.pub 8 months ago
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Finally, a hard drive which can store more than a dozen AAA games
paulbg@programming.dev 8 months ago
finally i’ll be able to self-host one piece streaming
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
my qbittorrent is gonna love that
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Great, can’t wait to afford it in 60 years.
needanke@feddit.org 8 months ago
What is the usecase for drives that large?
I ‘only’ have 12Tb drives and yet my zfs-pool already needs ~two weeks to scrub it all. With something like this it would literally not be done before the next scheduled scrub.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 8 months ago
It’s like the petronas towers, everytime they’re finished cleaning the windows they have to start again
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Data centers???
remon@ani.social 8 months ago
Sounds like something is off. I have 20TB drives (x8, raid 6) … scrubbing takes less then 3 days.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Jesus, my pool takes a little over a day, but I’ve only got around 100 gb how big is your pool?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
High capacity storage pools for enterprises.
Space is at a premium. Saving space should/could equal to better pricing/availability.frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Not necessarily.
The trouble with spinning platters this big is that if a drive fails, it will take a long time to rebuild the array after shoving a new one in there. Sysadmins will be nervous about another failure taking out the whole array until that process is complete, and that can take days. There was some debate a while back on if the industry even wanted spinning platters >20TB. Some are willing to give up density if it means less worry.
I guess Seagate decided to go ahead, anyway, but the industry may be reluctant to buy this.
Hugin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I worked on a terrain render of the entire planet. We were filling three 2 Tb drives a day for a month. So this would have been handy.
SuperUserDO@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
There is an enterprise storage shelf (aka a bunch of drives that hooks up to a server) made by Dell which is 1.2 PB (yes petabytes). So there is a use, but it’s not for consumers.
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s a use-case for a fuckton of total capacity, but not necessarily a fuckton of per-drive capacity. I think what the grandparent comment is really trying to say is that the capacity has so vastly outstripped mechanical-disk data transfer speed that it’s hard to actually make use of it all.
For example, let’s say you have these running in a RAID 5 array, and one of the drives fails and you have to swap it out. At 190MB/s max sustained transfer rate (figure for a 28TB Seagate Exos; I assume this new one is similar), you’re talking about over two days just to copy over the parity information and get the array out of degraded mode! At some point these big drives stop being suitable for that use-case just because the vulnerability window is so large that the risk of a second drive failure causing data loss is too great.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
What drives do you have exactly? I have 7x6TB WD Red Pro drives and I can do a scrub less than 24 hours.
needanke@feddit.org 8 months ago
I have 2*12TB whitelabel WD drives (harvested from external drives but Datacenter drives accourding to the SN) and one 16 TB Toshiba white-label (purchased directly also meant for datacenters) in a raidz1.
How full is your pool? I have about 2/3rds full which impacts scrubbing I think. I also frequently access the pool which delays scrubbing.
Bael422@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s to play Ark: Survival Evolved.
pyre@lemmy.world 8 months ago
there was a time i asked this question about 500 megabytes
needanke@feddit.org 8 months ago
I am not questioning the need for more storage but the need dor more storage without increased speeds.
mrvictory1@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Me who stores important data on seagate external HDD with no backup reading the comments roasting seagate:
MintyAnt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Uh oh!!! Uh oh uh oh uh oh uh oh
Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 months ago
I’m amazed it’s only $800. I figured that shit was gonna be like 8-10 thousand.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well, it’s a Seagate, so it still comes out to about a hundred bucks a month.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Why do you wound me like this?
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, I expected it to level out around $800 after a few years, not out of the gate. 20TB are still $300 ish new.
zapzap@lemmings.world 8 months ago
This hard drive is so big that when it sits around the house, it sits around the house.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 8 months ago
This hard drive is so big when it moves, the Richter scale picks it up.
dellish@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This hard drive is so big when it backs up it makes a beeping sound.
regedit@feddit.online 8 months ago
Is it worth replacing within a year only to be sent a refurbished when it dies?
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Use redundancy. Don’t be a pleb.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That’s a lot of porn. And possibly other stuff, too.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Nah, the other stuff will all fit on your computer’s hard drive, this is only for porn. They should call it the Porn Drive.
Wolf@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I “only” have a 1TB SDD. If I wanted to download a new game I would have to delete one that’s already on here.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Ehhh don’t test me
tempest@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It isn’t as much as you think, high resolution, high bitrate video files are pretty large.
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
high resolution, high bitrate video files are pretty large.
Can it actually transfer data fast enough to save or play them back in real-time, though?
Kage520@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Especially VR files
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m gonna need like 6 of these
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 8 months ago
monkey’s paw curls They’re SMR
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Seems fine with a couple TB of SSDs to act as active storage with regular rsyncs back to the HDDs. This is fine.
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sorry but without a banana for scale it’s hard to tell how big it really is
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
36 Typical Bananas
simplejack@lemmy.world 8 months ago
28 plantains
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That quite large then.
I wonder how many pictures of nude bananas you could fit inside??
Zacryon@feddit.org 8 months ago
Is Seagate still producing shitty drives that fail a few days after the warranty expired?
Zetta@mander.xyz 8 months ago
modus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Mine have been going strong for five years. Ironwolf Pros.
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hey, they told you how long they expected it to last 😅
Zacryon@feddit.org 8 months ago
Fair point. But still pretty bad. Literally two days after the warranty expired my Seagate drive was broken. This was my first and only Seagate drive. Never again.
Meanwhile my old Western Digital drive is still kicking way beyond it’s warranty. Almost 10 years now.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
no thanks Seagate. the trauma of losing my data because of a botched firmware with a ticking time bomb kinda put me off your products for life.
see you in hell.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Some of Seagate’s drives have terrible scores on things like Blackblaze. They are probably the worst brand, but also generally the cheapest.
I have been running a raid of old Seagate barracuda’s for years at things point, including a lot of boot cycles and me forcing the system off because Truenas has issues or whatnot and for some fucking reason they won’t die.
I have had a WD green SSD that I use for Truenas boot die, I had some WD external drive have its controller die (the drive inside still work) and I had some crappy WD mismatched drives in a raid 0 for my Linux ISO’s and those failed as well.
Whenever the Seagate start to die, I guess ill be replacing them with Toshiba’s unless somebody has another suggestion.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I had a similar experience with Samsung. I had a bunch of evo 870 SSDs up and die for no reason. Turns out, it was a firmware bug in the drive and they just need an update, but the update needs to take place before the drive fails.
I had to RMA the failures. The rest were updated without incident and have been running perfectly ever since.
I’d still buy Samsung.
I didn’t lose a lot of data, but I can certainly understand holding a grudge on something like that. From the other comments here, hate for Seagate isn’t exactly rare.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I can certainly understand holding grudges against corporations. I didn’t buy anything from Sony for a very long time after their fuckery George Hotz and Nintendo’s latest horseshit has me staying away from them, but that was a single firmware bug that locked down hard drives (note, the data was still intact) a very long time ago. Seagate even issued a firmware update to prevent the bug from biting users it hadn’t hit yet, but firmware updates at the time weren’t really something people thought to ever do, and operating systems did not check for them automatically back then like they do now.
Seagate fucked up but they also did everything they could to make it right. That matters. Plus, look at their competition. WD famously lied about their red drives not being SMR when they actually were. And I’ve only ever had WD hard drives and sandisk flash drives die on me. And guess who owns sandisk? Western Digital!
I guess if you must go with a another company, there’s the louder and more expensive Toshiba drives but I have never used those before so I know nothing about them aside from their reputation for being loud.
needanke@feddit.org 8 months ago
And I’ve only ever had WD hard drives and sandisk flash drives die on me
Maybe it’s confirmation bias but almost all memory that failed on me has been sandisk-flash storage. Zhe only exception being a corsair ssd which failed after 3 yrs as the main laptop drive + another 3 as a server boot and log-drive.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Every manufacturer has made a product that failed.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
but not every manufacturer has had class action lawsuits filed against their continued shitty products.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Can someone recommend me a hard drive that won’t fail immediately? Internal, not SSD, from which cheap ones will die even sooner, and I need it for archival reasons, not speed or fancy new tech, otherwise I have two SSDs.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think refurbished enterprise drives usually have a lot of extra protection hardware that helps them last a very long time. Seagate advertises a mean time to failure on their exos drives of ~200 years with a moderate level of usage. I feel like it would almost always be a better choice to get more refurbished enterprise drives than fewer new consumer drives.
I personally found an 8tb exos on servedpartdeals for ~$100 which seems to be in very good condition after checking the SMART monitoring. I’m just using it as a backup so there isn’t any data on it that isn’t also somewhere else, so I didn’t bother with redundancy.
I’m not an expert, but this is just from the research I did before buying that backup drive.
Ushmel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My WD Red Pros have almost all lasted me 7+ years but the best thing (and probably cheapest nowadays) is a proper 3-2-1 backup plan.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 months ago
If you’re relying on one hard drive not failing to preserve your data you are doing it wrong from the jump. I’ve got about a dozen hard drives in play from seagate and WD at any given time (mostly seagate because they’re cheaper and I don’t need speed either) and haven’t had a failure yet. Backblaze used to publish stats about the hard drives they use, not sure if they still do but that would give you some data to go off.
daq@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Hard drives aren’t great for archival in general, but any modern drive should work. Grab multiple brands and make at least two copies. Look for sales. Externals regularly go below $15/tb these days.
keen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Elaborate please?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 months ago
eevblog.com/…/whats-behind-the-infamous-seagate-b…
this thread has multiple documented instances of poor QA and firmware bugs Seagate has implemented at the cost of their own customers.
my specific issue was even longer ago, 20+ years. there was a bug in the firmware where there was a buffer overflow from an int limit on runtime. it caused a cascade failure in the firmware and caused the drive to lock up after it ran for the maximum into limit. this is my understanding of it anyway.
the only solution was to purchase a board online for the exact model of your HDD and swap it and perform a firmware flash before time ran out. I think you could also use a clip and force program the firmware.
at the time a new board cost as much as a new drive, finances of which I didn’t have at the time.
eventually I moved past the 1tb of data I lost, but I will never willingly purchase another Seagate.
skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
In my case, 10+years ago I had 6 * 3tb Seagate disks in a software raid 5. Two of them failed and it took me days to force it back into the raid and get some of the data off. Now I use WD and raid 6.
I read 3 or 4 years ago that it was just the 3tb reds I used had a high failure rate but I’m still only buying WDs
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Pretty sure I had a bigger hard drive than that for my Amiga. You could have broken a toe if you’d dropped it.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Do people actually use such massive hard drives? I still have my 1 TB HDD in my PC, lol.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Makes me shudder. I have to replace a drive in my array, because it is degraded. It’s a 4TB. Imagine having to replace one of these. I’d much rather have a bunch of cheaper drives, even if they are a bit more expensive per TB, because the replacement cost will eventually make the total cost of ownership lower.
jim3692@discuss.online 8 months ago
Are people still mining chia ?
ColdWater@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
with this I can store at least 3 modern “AAA” games
daggermoon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wanna fuck this HDD. To have that much storage on one drive when I currently have ~30TB shared between 20 drives makes me very erect.
GlassCaseofEmotion@lemmy.world 8 months ago
jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Seagate so how long before it fails?
paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hello! 👋
punkwalrus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, but it’s Seagate. I have worked in data centers, and Seagate drives had the most failures of all my drives and somehow is still in business. I’d say I was doing an RMA of 5-6 drives a month that were Seagate, and only 4-5 a year Western Digital.
mia@feddit.org 8 months ago
Really sad that S3 prices are still that high… also hetzner storage boxes