“but black dynamite!.. i sell drugs to the community!”
The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
Submitted 8 months ago by Klear@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Alloi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I think people are overestimating what this petition is going to do. It will likely just end up in a response from the EU listing pros and cons but effectively saying “can’t really do anything about it, sorry!”. It’s still good, even MMOs have server software gaming companies could release if legislation forced them instead of causing fandoms to die. Games are culture. They may also be entertainment, but that’s culture as well.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think forcing MMOs to release software is a bit much.
Opted for large scaled systems. It’s more than just simple software. There is a ton of infrastructure and proprietary solutioning that goes into it. That’s likely used for other games as well.
It may not even be possible to release the software because it is not just software and the resources to prepare it for releasing may not be available.
Single player and local games 100% though should not be allowed to be killed.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Opted for large scaled systems. It’s more than just simple software. There is a ton of infrastructure and proprietary solutioning that goes into it. That’s likely used for other games as well.
Doesn’t mean it can’t be released, just that it might be difficult to reproduce. It would still be much, much easier to reverse engineer that than to reverse engineer everything from the client and network communication captures.
It may not even be possible to release the software because it is not just software and the resources to prepare it for releasing may not be available.
In other words, so you don’t know, and vague assumptions on a closed box because closed boxes allow you to make them.
Most MMOs usually have multiple instances running, each which need to be maintained separately. That means they have usually gone through the process of encapsulating the server functionality in a way that can be reproduced and recreated into new instances. They have to be maintained at the same time, so they need to be relatively standard. At one point those supposedly absent resources to duplicate the instance of a server have likely existed, and just need to be packaged for public release. Proprietary portions can simply be excluded - an incomplete release is preferable to an absent one.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well when the choice is anti consumer, too fucking bad.
vxx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It needs way more people l, because I guess a lot of people from all over the world used VPNs to sign the petition and will be nullified.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Anti-murder laws are cuttailing my choice! What if I someday would like to make a choice to murder someone?
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes! When I read that, I immediately thought “curtailing developer choice is exactly the point.”
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
Copyright was invented so artists would be able to sell their art, and more art would be made.
When copyright is protected on a product that’s no longer sold, less art is made.
When a copyright holder stops selling their art, copyright protections should immediately cease, and they should be responsible for copyright obligations - releasing the source code to the public. Use it or lose it!
naught101@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Pretty sure it was so publishers (printing press owners) could have a guaranteed income. Those two things were correlated at the time. Not so much anymore. Streaming/subscription mentality is like planned obsolescence for IP.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is the most level headed approach to IP I’ve seen. If you’re not willing to use the property you forfeit it. It’s a common contact for licensing rights for movies that forces a studio to make a movie or lose rights. That way people can’t squat on a licence to prevent others using it.
naught101@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The same thing should apply to private property, especially in cities.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A good book on this is: Free Culture: The Nature and Future of Creativity by Lawrence Lessig
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 8 months ago
Sony has to make a Spiderman movie every few years even though DVDs of the old ones are still being sold, but Ubisoft can just delete games forever and they can never be played again.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Almacca@aussie.zone 8 months ago
“… curtail developer choice” - This from a bunch of people for whom the term ‘executive meddling’ was created.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Sounds like they just put together a bunch of meaningful sounding words. I know what they want to say though: "Noooo! But mah freedumbs! NOOOO 😭 "
JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 months ago
Uh, yeah, that’s the point of all regulations. To make you not pick bad things.
Doorbook@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When you work hard to create a consumer economy, the first rule is, don’t piss off the consumers!
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Developer choice, ha-ha, very funny. I am not familiar with the industry and still feel safe to bet most of them just want to get enough money for doing what they can do without too much stress/disgust and also most of them don’t have a desire to see their work die just because some manager decided it is time to make some other games instead
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I bet they’re really pissed off with ubisoft right now. They basically started this whole movement by being so egregious with The Crew. Less than a month before they shut the servers down the game was still on sale for the full price that it had launched with.
Granted it was shut down because it was the most mediocre game ever made but that still isn’t an excuse.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tbh when I read of it, being an open world driving game where you can just drive around a very large area, I kind of wanted it. Not as a game, but simply for driving around. MarioKart is too happy for that. I just want to get lost in thoughts while driving.
Ulrich@feddit.org 8 months ago
I don’t know why these companies think they can talk their way out of this. No one is buying your BS. Just STFU.
nucleative@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Do you mean Buying = believing Or Buying = buying
Because I think the real problem here is that people actually are buying=buying and that’s why they keep doing it.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
They can and they will just lobby commission or EU Parliament if needed.
creamlike504@jlai.lu 8 months ago
It’s to give talking points to the politicians they paid for.
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
All games become subscription only in 3…2…
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 months ago
Let them try. Most game will utterly fail with that approach and I would love to see that.
nexguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Subscribe to see how the countdown finishes!
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 months ago
From the mind of the one Free Man
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Whenever a large games company talks about “developer choice” you know they’re referring to one of a few things:
- Think of the shareholders!
- Think of the rich CEO who adds zero value to the company!
- The people don’t know what they want and therefore we need to tell them exactly what they want and need!
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
This initiative sure would make things more complicated for the game publishers, yes.
Because they’re currently not doing the bare minimum.
If they weren’t so accustomed to not doing the bare minimum, maybe they would have different opinions! Just saying.
andxz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I agree wholeheartedly and I also signed late while being Finnish.
Klear@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s not just for the hell of it!
Invalid votes will be removed when it’s time for the final tally, so the initiative needs a solid buffer to still he over a million after.
There’s been a talk of some people using bots to inflate the numbers in a misguided attempt to help the initiative, so every vote is still very welcome.
Also, I kinda want to see just how high Finland can go above the threshold.
Tell your friends!
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the game industry isn’t also using bots to inflate the numbers to make people procrastinating not feel the need to contribute and make the petition look less valid.
58008@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the
childrendevs!?”The last refuge of a dying argument 😴
AlexLost@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh no?! It developer’s choices vs purchaser’s options. Who will win, it’s a mystery only time can solve. Just kidding, we all know who the courts will side with, as it is never “the people”.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ahh, backpedaling to “defending creators” - that’s a bold move, Cotton.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Yeah, because the choices they have now is working great for quality games…
fluxion@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes, it curtails you from making absurd choices about how to fuck customers out of the money they paid for your games
noxypaws@pawb.social 8 months ago
Curtailing developer choice is rather the point, no?
lordnikon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah just the choices that fucks over paying customers. They are saying they would like to keep doing that and this laws would curtail that.
Will someone think of the poor shareholders? /s
qarbone@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why are publishers speaking for devs about how much choice devs would have? Why not get devs to speak?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because most devs are just codemonkeys implementing what they’re told to. This is pure manipulative peopaganda from the suits who are already robbing wages from good devs.
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because sometimes publishers like to be the ones chatting dev choices
Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Giant corporations have proven no amount of profit is too much. There needs to be some guardrails. And some form of preservation of the games your loyal customers have enriched your company to access.
lordnikon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s almost like government was made to create and enforce those guardrails.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Honestly I don’t see it as the developers losing anything. They still make the same products, they still sell the same products, and when they’re done with those products forever they have to give hosting capability up to the public.
What are they afraid of? That we won’t play their new games if they can’t shut the old games down?
restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So, a shitton of game developers just got laid off from Microsoft, another in a string of “restructuring” nonsense that’s been rampant in the industry.
That’s a lot of people with gaming expertise who could be put to work helping companies transition their games to single player experiences or at least making them accessible to customers after support stops. If the EU ends up pushing this forward, there’s a decent business opportunity in there.
pyre@lemmy.world 8 months ago
they say “developer choice” because they know those words have positive connotations but what they mean is “publisher greed”
kemsat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If it means developers won’t make “live-service”/trash games anymore, we should hasten the SKG movement.
RonnieB@lemmy.world 8 months ago
[deleted]Soggy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Only server browser, no matchmaking.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
They still will, this will just limit their ability to force you to move to the next one once the servers shut down.
groet@feddit.org 8 months ago
Most likely, if they are forced to allow public servers after they shut down the official ones, they will pull some other bullshit. Like claim the game is still available, but the 300$ cosmetics you bought are not allowed on public servers because they are separate from the game.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Yup, that’s correct. What about it?