Depends what you mean by “further”. It is a trait that definitely serves well in some very lucrative areas like business or politics. But it very easy to ruin other aspects of your life like your relationships, your public image, and can run you afoul of the law. In areas of work where your image is paramount, being a liar and manipulator usually only gets you so far because it’s very hard to maintain those lies and hide the manipulation under massive public scrutiny, particularly if you’re doing illegal stuff in addition to it. Of course the wealthier you are, or the more fanatical your following, the more you will have others lie and manipulate on your behalf, so… accountability can decrease that way.
Having the ability to lie and manipulate with no remorse will get you much further in this world than having morals and being correct
Submitted 2 months ago by TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
MangoCats@feddit.it 2 months ago
it very easy to ruin other aspects of your life like your relationships, your public image, and can run you afoul of the law.
Not when you succeed to the level that you can ignore the laws - which isn’t just one man in the US, not by a long shot.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s why I included the last bit. The law is more relevant when you are not someone too special. The higher you get, the less it matters, if only because more people have fallen for your manipulations or are cognizant of them but support them for whatever reason, and will defend you no matter what from actual justice.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
Almacca@aussie.zone 2 months ago
I wish this wasn’t true, but it’s tragic that it is.
mrcleanup@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We create a world of kindness or selfishness, judgement or forgiveness every day. These behaviors may get you money or power, but the world you have to live in gets worse. I don’t think you realize how much you lose getting ahead, and how much you cost everyone else.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ha, not really. If your only measure of success is your bank account then you’re playing high risk / reward with a dishonest strategy that either lands you in prison or a jacuzzi.
Then when you get to the really bad end of the spectrum, well…
Do you think Hitler smiled as he killed himself?
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Everyone knows his body was a double and Hitler fled to Argentina where he changed his name to Mateo González to pursue a career in dog breeding and pastries for diabetics
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Unless you meet someone like me, who does not wait for aithorities to resolve things.
My co-workers did that literally hours ago, admited everything within moments.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Lying and manipulating people won’t get you anywhere further in this world. Having more money than someone or a better position in a company doesn’t actually mean shit.
YummyEntropy@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Yeah that tends to happen when most everyone is an enabler.
datavoid@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I live my life to spite these people :)
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Really depends on where you are. These people won’t get as far in stable communities where people know and talk to each other. If you are doing these things habitually as a way to get ahead, eventually everyone will figure out what is going on and will, at the very least, exclude you from the group.
This pattern is the case with most people who are especially dickish or unpleasant in one way or another. Sure, a very small number of them gain power and influence in the world at large. But most of them live shitty lives. They have few friends, and the friends they do have are shitty like them. They have no money, because they have trouble getting and keeping jobs - even low paying ones. When they manage to find romantic partners, the relationships tend to be tumultuous, since the only people they can attract are just as shitty as they are.
aoidenpa@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Exactly and I love it.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unless you’re mediocre at it and have adhd and then it’s just easier to always tell the truth so you don’t have to forget about something.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@piefed.social 2 months ago
While feeling numb and miserable
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And water is wet
Griffus@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
That depends on how shallow you want your life to be.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Especially in today’s sociopolitical climate
Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Especially in today’s sociop
oliticalathic climate
Speculater@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Absolutely. Shouldn’t be where I am, but I feel like the world is full of gullible people.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe, but not in the next one.
SomeSphinx@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There is no “Next one” We get one life on this planet.
Personally, I’d rather spend it in the company of good people and do good things.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I agree entirely with your second sentence!
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
if that’s what matters to you, then sure, go ahead
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Or goodness is its own reward?
Malfeasant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Learning this from my (soon-to-be-ex-) wife right now…