Finally, Half Life 3
Valve CEO Gabe Newell’s Neuralink competitor is expecting its first brain chip this year
Submitted 10 months ago by simple@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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Naevermix@lemmy.world 10 months ago
monke@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
The picture in the post is unhinged
sulgoth@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s fairly on brand for Valve, one of their banners was a guy with pipe valve stuck to his head.
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 10 months ago
More than stuck on
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
All you had to do was nothing.
All you had to do was NOTHING, Gabe!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
So, to all the people freaking out and saying this is as bad as Musk and Neuralink:
starfishneuroscience.com/…/ultra-low-power-miniat…
There is here zero mention of things like ‘being able to take a phone call’ or ‘bluetooth your brain directly into a keyboard or mouse or other people’s brains’ as Musk was saying.
This seems very much intended to be aimed at legitimate medical conditions.
They didn’t steal the PhD work of an actual pioneer in the development of medical brain implants via poaching a number of grad students who worked with him (which is what happened with Neuralink, btw), they are instead partnering with basically a nonprofit cooperative of the world’s foremost experts on nanoelectronics development, who have an established track record of developing various medical devices.
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If news comes out about GabeN electrocuting monkeys and pigs to either death, or insanity/brain damage so extreme it causes them to kill themselves to escape the pain, then I will absolutely do a 180 heel pivot and condemn the fuck out of that.
Just to be clear here, a BCI is probably the very last thing I would ever be an early adopter of as some kind of commercial, general use product. Seems absolutely insane given the rampant cybersecurity problems just basically everywhere all the time, not to mention I just don’t like the idea of an actual chip in my actual brain.
Valve and GabeN are not some paragons of virtue, they basically invented (and still widely use and encourage) half of the monetization and dark pattern bullshit that is now everywhere in the entire games industry.
… But to me at least, this seems nowhere near as openly, comically, real world supervillain levels of evil as Elon and Neuralink.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 3 months ago
So basically, pigs and monkeys will get to play HL3 before us? Unbelievable.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
A culture that obsoletes electronics every couple of years and enshittifies services every couple of other years cannot be seriously talking about MMIs/BCIs.
Wazowski@lemmy.world 10 months ago
had pass on all this bullshit.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This will be for paralyzed people
andybytes@programming.dev 10 months ago
It will be used for paralyzed people to give it a soft spin, but the goal really is a super soldier or many other applications in the military industrial complex. If it’s not for blowing up people, it’s for killing people or controlling people. It’s not that technology is evil. It’s that our economic system and our mode of production and who benefits. That’s the problem. The rich are just basically building our prison.
ulterno@programming.dev 10 months ago
Yeah, maybe just leave all that for people born in 2030.
yournamehere@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten, sie fliehen vorbei wie nächtliche Schatten. Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jäger erschießen, es bleibet dabei: die Gedanken sind frei.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Black mirror did an episode on this
Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The only condition under which I wouid ever consider getting a neural implant, is if the implant and its software is open source.
Any closed source thing you stick in your brain will ultimately doom you.
Besides that, there’d also actually have to be a purpose. As it stands now, cybernetics isn’t advanced enough to turn me into a full cyborg, so probably never in my lifetime.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 months ago
All these brain chips will primarily, initially, be for crippled people. Maybe a controller chip to control prosthetic arms, or something to let a paraplegic person control a computer.
dzsimbo@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s still fun to hear the man himself talking about a larger than life virtual reality.
The tech still scares me, I’m not even sure I’d be okay with EEG-like patches that work both ways (scifi, I know), not to mention brain surgery, for pure decadence. But the quality of life benefits really can be huge for many, and that really got my fantasy going, once I ‘accepted’ we figured out the limits and safeties of bodily autonomy.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t think it’s expected that the average person will be jumping at the opportunity to tinker with their neurons. The first line of people to get such implants will almost certainly be people with physical disabilities.
DeathByDenim@lemmy.world 10 months ago
While true regarding open source vs closed course. The risks are quite large for patients. For example, a few years ago there was a company called Second Sight that made artificial eyes so blind people could partially see again. Then the company discontinued the product and now they are stuck with an unsupported surgically implanted device that they rely heavily on but can break any time. It’s pretty risky to have something implanted if you don’t know if the company will be around in a decade or so.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I didn’t know they were doing brainchips. I trust Gabe with it way more than fElon, for sure.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
The fact that most people would obviously never want to get a brain chip implant, combined with the fact that multiple billionaires are developing brain chip implants, indicates that there are plans in some circles to incentivize or coerce people into getting a brain chip implant at some point in the future.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
If they could make them small / sensitive enough to make them subdermal, without the risky brainsurgery, that would be an absolute gamechanger and would increase acceptance by a lot. if the process would be like getting a few piercings under local anesthesia, it would make servicing the hardware much less of a life and death decision, and i wouldn’t mind getting something like that - especially if it’s on the hackability scale of a steam deck lol
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Medicine in the US is very expensive. There is a lot of money in helping with neurological conditions or paralysis.
Rinna@lemm.ee 10 months ago
They’ve existed for awhile for people with certain disabilities and further advancements in the field would be great for the people who actually need them, but outside of that niche most people would likely not want to risk it over a highly invasive surgery.
pennomi@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s risk/reward. If brain chips made me twice as productive or intelligent, I’d probably tolerate a lot more risk than if it was just a way to check my Instagram notifications without pulling out my phone.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Productive or intelligent for whose benefit? If it’s so that you can perform better under wage labor conditions, that’s coercion.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 10 months ago
What if you were going to die but you could live indefinitely if you got the implant? Would an incentive like that interest you?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Why would a brain implant allow me to live indefinitely?
Huschke@lemmy.world 10 months ago
So like the black mirror episode?
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Ohh…eh.
2019 left me with the impression Starfish was wireless.
Sticking stuff into my brain isn’t on my to-do list.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The startup here is making stuff for medical conditions, not games.
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
That’s fine and might be beneficial medically one day, but I was under the impression Gabe was also interested in using this tech for VR/AR too eventually.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“Now, if you’re part of Control Group Kepler-Seven, we implanted a tiny microchip about the size of a postcard into your skull. Most likely you’ve forgotten it’s even there, but if it starts vibrating and beeping during this next test, let us know, because that means it’s about to hit five hundred degrees, so we’re gonna need to go ahead and get that out of you pretty fast.” - Cave Johnson
utopiah@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Where is the
GithubGitea/forgejo/CodeBerg/etc repo?Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Headlines you didn’t expect to read. Rather a Gabe chip than at Musk chip for sure
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
how about both of them fuck off and stop shoving their proprietary tech in our heads, just a thought
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Is there an open source equivalent then?
Amir@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Valve did contribute quite a bit to OSS iirc
xavier666@lemm.ee 10 months ago
HL3 is going to be launched with Valve’s brain chip.
They don’t even have to make the game. The chip will convince you that you have already played the game and it’s the best game ever.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 months ago
HL3 is going to be launched with Valve’s brain chip.
The headcrabs feel like headcrabs!
jabjoe@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Karen Sandler did a great talk on closed source software medical devices many years ago.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=qW1h1s_ojpM
This even more the case if it’s your brain! It probably won’t work for decades, but we should get house in order long before it does.
utopiah@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Like spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete shown or vox.com/…/neuroscience-technology-consumer-produc… more recently or the older 2010 paper “Predictors of Assistive Technology Abandonment” www.tandfonline.com/doi/…/10400435.1993.10132205 ?
Don’t be negative, it’s all good! /s
jabjoe@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Right to repair, and openness, is absolute must for devices being put into peoples bodies. The fight seams to not even started yet. Most people are completely asleep to issues right now.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
Last time I checked, the “brain implants” looked like this:
Zombie from Half Life with a headcrab slipped over it’s head
titter@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In this heeadline: Neuralink’s Competitor Recieves Prototype
in this thread: Gabe Crazy
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thumbnail is lit af
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 months ago
Project deckard. Gamers are getting the chip to run games inside their brains.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Oh no. You either die the hero, or…
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 10 months ago
You live long enough to help paraplegics game?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Right? Is anyone else grateful knowing that we’re building medical devices that can help us connect with fully disabled people like they’re humans again?
irish_link@lemmy.world 10 months ago
There are many reasons why I would take this over others. Many of those reasons have been pointed out in this thread. However there are many reasons why I say no. One small reason that will happen every year among many is will it have wifi 9?
echodot@feddit.uk 10 months ago
We’re going to get Borg before GTA VI
isaaclyman@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think we all know where this is going.
- The Brainchip is trendy in Silicon Valley but doesn’t do much yet. The company says cyber-superintelligence will be available in a year, tops. Investors are pouring billions into it. Everyone says you need to hop on the trend now or you’ll be obsolete in six months.
- It’s been two years. The Brainchip still struggles to control a mouse or search Google. Everyone’s lost interest in building apps for it. Many users are reporting severe migraines, but the company says there’s nothing to worry about.
- The Brainchip pipes three unskippable ads directly to your optic nerve every time you go to the bathroom. Notifications ping your brain all day long. You can get it removed if you’ve got $80k to burn, but there’s a high risk of postoperative stroke.
Yeah, no, I’m not putting anything in my body that isn’t open-source from end to end. And even then probably nah.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 10 months ago
this isn’t for you, you’re not a paraplegic, are you?
isaaclyman@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The article does not mention paraplegia.
bampop@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Why so pessimistic? With any luck brainchips will mean the end of annoying adverts once and for all. You’ll just feel an unexpected desire to acquire certain products. And maybe crippling headaches or a nauseating feeling of unease if you ignore these urges
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 10 months ago
The Brainchip is trendy in Silicon Valley but doesn’t do much yet.
These guys would beg to differ:
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 months ago
the only way, and I mean the ONLY way I’ll put hardware in my brain is if I have resurrection level support like in Altered Carbon.
the fear of losing my outward identity over the ability to live forever is worth losing.
lucelu2@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I wonder how often you have to back up in case you need a reboot.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 months ago
You still won’t be able to live forever.
Killercat103@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
I’d probably be a slow adopter tbh. Feel like such a chio you’d want to be quite trustworthy and reliably and proprietary software and hardware is not the moat trustworthy thing in the world.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 10 months ago
It would need to become a platform and standard unto itself.
Which is to say, I’m not installing one until I can flash the firmware myself.
echodot@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Usually I am an earlier adopter of tech because I’m interested in technology, and I have money to burn. But I don’t need a brain chip, I’m weird enough already without having to debug my own head.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 10 months ago
three weeks after implant
“I was completely wrong about this technology! Valve Mindtap is the best thing ever!”
eyes stare 1000 yards into the distance while your true consciousness screams to be let out from the dark prison it has been trapped in
xavier666@lemm.ee 10 months ago
“Yes honey, I’m coming. Just one more thing to compile in my head”
Segmentation fault
TomB19@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I want to get one of the first implants possible. VR headsets are so unsightly.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
This is the new tech that will justify Half Life 3 they were talking about in the doc. It all makes sense now, the ultimate controller!
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
Who is controlled though?
shaquilleoatmeal@lemm.ee 10 months ago
He’ll only be able to make the first prototype, and then a second. He will never make it to 3.
psoul@lemmy.world 10 months ago
He’ll make a few versions: Brain Chip Brain Chip Army Brain Chip Police Brain Chip 2 Brain Chip 2 Coastal Vacation Brain Chip 2.1 Brain Chip 2.2 Brain Chip 2 VR
Will never make it to 3 though.
anus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Coastal vacation 💀
Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 months ago
By then he should be able to pass the tech off to a smaller, independent contractor like Gearbox or Obsidian.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I just need to open my work laptop and watch it utterly fail at even the most basic tasks for me to be convinced our level of technology is no where near where it needs to be to start sticking electronics in people’s heads.