FIFY
Some Reddit users just love to disagree, new AI-powered troll-spotting algorithm finds
Submitted 10 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 months ago
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I didn’t need ai to tell you that
I could have told you that 20 years ago
It’s why people find multiplayer games fun
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It doesn’t even sound like a reasonable study to undertake honestly, how many times do you comment on something just to say you agree? Mostly people just read it and move on, maybe upvote.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Trolling and disagreeing are not the same thing.
I am someone who “loves to disagree”, as in most of my engagement on lemmy is disagreeing. But that’s because I speak up when I feel like speaking up is needed, and when I feel like it’s needed is when what I believe is not being said.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I just call it out immediately and shut people down. I spend countless hours researching and reading and I don’t have time for devil’s advocates anymore. Here on Lemmy I will just block them and in real life I just tell them homie I don’t play that.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
They’re here too
prex@aussie.zone 10 months ago
No they’re not.
~/s~
Litebit@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Playing Devil’s Advocate. has been around way before the internet.
AidsKitty@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yes some people love to argue. I get it, I think arguing with others is fun. It’s not so great online tho. It’s empty and soul-less.
shitmenot@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
Sounds like that antiyank guy. Always looking for the latest drama.
Probably a lot of russian trolls as well
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 10 months ago
insert 2 spidermen pointing at each other
Ledericas@lemm.ee 10 months ago
theres also Bots/ai arguing against other bots to sow dissent.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
It’s called a dialectic.
InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Omg no it isn’t!
This is literally the point, there is a clear difference between a hegelian dialectic and brute-force manichaeanism.
Social media has allowed us to perceive the one as the other.
800XL@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This is one of those stupid articles that are like “water is wet says a new study” and far more people than it should be say “holy fuck it’s wet when I wash things. It must mean I wash things with water. Omgomgomgomg!!”
No shit users are trolls on reddit.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This post feels like bait
intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Dude your mom feels like bait
BeefHouse@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thanks AI… Using tremendous amounts of energy and technology to tell us something that anyone paying attention would have already known
Lyrl@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Bizarre to have a headline claiming five “types” were identified, but then only describe the behavior of a single type. What are the other four?
Almacca@aussie.zone 10 months ago
rigamarole@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s called being contrarian, and it’s not just Reddit users. I have several family members like this.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I’d also argue it’s not necessarily a bad thing. If you’re talking shit be sure you’re able to back it up. I am naturally contrarian but in many cases it’s less about what I feel and more about taking the side of the voice that is missing.
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Thats not true
HowAbt2day@futurology.today 10 months ago
No it’s not!
Tungsten5@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I disagree
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
no they dont
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
That’s not an argent, that’s a contradiction!
socsa@piefed.social 10 months ago
This is abuse, arguments are down the hall.
capuccino@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Disagreement is a way to promote dialog.
InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s also a way to manufacture dissent and foster division.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Is it though? According to the book The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, conflict is a sign of a trusting team, and conflict is a necessity for that team to achieve commitment.
I can attempt to explain how it it’s unclear
This graphic is from the book:
Godric@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Wrong.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No it isnt
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Sources?
/s
kandoh@reddthat.com 10 months ago
Yeah i enjoy arguing online
kazerniel@lemmy.world 10 months ago
no you don’t 😜
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Survivor bias aside, I’m not sure the UI doesn’t make this drive-by trolling worse. The reddit UI (hi Lemmy) is threaded but disjoint, and the excellent response to one tree of responses isn’t useful to or seen in another tree – and those trees will develop in parallel in almost every discussion.
I worry that quips and cheap takes stand out because they’re fast and block actual discussion more, so have that mock ‘finalising’ effect. Ending a discussion thread is not concluding it .
… and we all have that cousin whom no one invites anywhere because he’ll argue the shit out of something like a jackal worrying a carcass, until people just give up and let him wander smugly off to his little corner in contrarian triumph.
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 10 months ago
*whomst
samus12345@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I want to know what the five basic kinds of users are to see which one I am!
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I have a reddit coworker, he just disagrees and follows up with “fucking retard” while being blatantly wrong…i hope they fire the guy soon.
Unmanageable human being, impossible to learn anything to keep him from killing himself (my job is technically life threatening, if you’re too stupid to listen)
He also mamaged to call in sick for 2 weeks in his first 4 weeks of employment, i was surprised when they kept him on after that.
HubertManne@piefed.social 10 months ago
Devils advocate is very much in my nature but not so much when things are being done so obviously badly. Its great when discussions are more philisophical in nature.
Zotora@programming.dev 10 months ago
In breaking news; The sky is blue.
More at 4.
samus12345@lemm.ee 10 months ago
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 months ago
Disagreeing is not trolling. I hate post where everyone just comments the same thing. It’s has no value, it’s boring.
When people have different opinions and exchange ideas it gets interesting.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
read the article.
Perhaps our most striking result was finding an entire class of Reddit users whose primary purpose seems to be to disagree with others. These users specifically seek out opportunities to post contradictory comments, especially in response to disagreement, and then move on without waiting for replies.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 months ago
So if you look at my comment history at Reddit you would find few “totally agree, here’s an upvote” comments and a lot “I totally disagree with this statement” type of comments. Not because I was trolling. I just find “you’re so right” type of comments boring. I don’t know what the “move on without waiting for replies” part implies. Who waits for replies on reddit? Do they mean they just never reply bak? If so that’s also not typical trolling.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I mean if you’re on r/star wars or a political subreddit, then yeah lol.
Typhoonigator@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It might be quicker to list the subreddits where this doesn’t happen
(Lookin at you, r/stardewvalley)
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Some people while cleaning a table just love to scratch it a bit. Why not leave that fossilized fat stain alone.
Same vibes. There’s no use in agreeing. You are just adding to a clueless crowd.
Disagreeing helps everyone.
Aurix@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This should be illegal. As a person who was once false flagged manually by network attribution. Of course the anti troll flagging network was itself socially destroyed by time and is frequently cause of scandals while nobody cares for me.
Add certain language patterns and political stances and you have an excellent oppressive tool.
The behavior the study is referring to, is actually result of reddit’s algorithms and human psychology. Often the contrarian view of whatever the post is about will automatically float to the top, no matter the topic, opinionated, factual or debunking, nature.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’ve been online since 1995. And back in those days, about the worst argument people had was Star Wars vs Star Trek. That’s because the general online population at that time valued fact-based discussion and proper sources. Not like today, where someone’s feelings seem to trump actual fact.
If I post 1+1=2 with proper sources, some idiot is bound to come along to argue that 1+1=tomato soup, that the moon is made of aged brie and that 5G on phones is turning frogs gay. It’s exhausting.
There’s simply too many blithering idiots online who reject facts. And unfortunately instead of blocking them, people engage. Thus giving them incentive to keep doing it.
Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 10 months ago
Disclaimer, nostalgia glasses may color experiences in a slightly more positive light than it really was.