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Some Reddit users just love to disagree, new AI-powered troll-spotting algorithm finds

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Pro@programming.dev⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://theconversation.com/some-reddit-users-just-love-to-disagree-new-ai-powered-troll-spotting-algorithm-finds-255879

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Disagreeing isnt trolling. On reddit you see so much stuff that is so plain and agreeable its not worth adding agreeable comment #2000. So it only becomes worth commenting if you see a post where you actually have a disagreement with the majority.

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    • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The article is not about normal run of the mill disagreement. It’s about:

      …an entire class of Reddit users whose primary purpose seems to be to disagree with others. These users specifically seek out opportunities to post contradictory comments, especially in response to disagreement, and then move on without waiting for replies.

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        whose primary purpose seems to be to disagree

        What’s survivor bias again?

        I mean, aside from the thing everyone is saying, to which you’re replying ‘read the article’, that is.

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    • Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Disagreeing is often treated as trolling by those you disagree with, depending on the subject. Mostly because those disagreements are often bad faith talking points from some groups of people.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Forming a counter argument is time consuming and requires you to think about the topic.

        Calling someone names and labeling them a “troll” is much easier.

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      • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Repeating bad faith talking points isnt trolling. To me its a perspective issue. What I think is bad faith talking points might be reality to another person.

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      • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The person who identifies disagreement as trolling needs to grow up.

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    • rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is a great point, not sure what kind of bias it is, but you’d literally see thousands of people agreeing (the upvotes) and then 10 people circling around in a knife fight. Did we need science to tell us Reddit is full of trolls? Trolls existed on Reddit before LLMs became popular.

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Absolutely. Someone will always disagree and that‘s a good thing, actually. Bubbles are just as if not more problematic than the disagreeing „troll“. Sometimes there are reasons to play devil‘s advocate and sometimes you just bring up concerns that you‘d like to be eliminated.

      I remember when I was part of a tiny minority bringing up concerns over Elon Musk and let me tell you the pushback and ridicule I received IRL was even worse than discourse online at the time. It took a long time until someone came up to me and actually admitted that I was right about Musk the entire time. I just failed to bring my point across earlier because they were better at debating but I like to think I sped up their process of becoming disillusioned about tech billionaires a little bit.

      There‘s also a case where I got temporarily banned from a community I was very active in and labelled as a „right wing troll“ when almost every comment I made on Lemmy pointed to the opposite. A moderator probably had a bad day, read a comment they disagreed with and let the hammer fall down before even doing as little as to check my post history. Not much harm done I guess but man we should learn to embrace other opinions a little more.

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      • Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you actually think about things and form your own opinions you’ll usually be treated as “the other side” by everyone who signs and follows any pre-made set of opinions.

        If you hate AI but thinks there is some specific situation in which it doesn’t 100% suck, you’ll be treated as a troll in anti-AI communities. If you’re MAGA but disagrees with anything Trump says, you’ll be called a leftist in conservative circles. If you’re a fierce active defender of LGBTQ+ rights but thinks it’s OK for a white American to dress up as a Mexican character for Halloween, you’ll be ostracized in many left wing groups.

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    • TheBlackLounge@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But this isn’t about people seeking worthwhile debates

      These users specifically seek out opportunities to post contradictory comments, especially in response to disagreement, and then move on without waiting for replies.

      Ah okay but you won’t respond to this.

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      • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You can post a comment disagreeing and not reply. Not every comment has to be seeking out “worthwhile debates”

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    • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh, disagreeing with the post, huh? Looks like we found the AI troll, get 'em everyone!

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  • Geetnerd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No u.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Apparently not since most of them stuck around. Fuck Reddit.

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  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    those are the people who no one irl talks to anymore because they impulsively take the opposing stance, regardless of how stupid that stance may be, any time anyone says anything

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    • Justas@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I had a colleague like that, he was an electric engineer who was convinced that the Earth is flat and that vaccines are bad.

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      • Litebit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I know that guy he told me he knows of a colleague who was convinced that the earth is spherical and vaccines are great.

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    • Weslee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I play devil’s advocate in most friend-space conversations, it’s just who I am, I don’t do it disrespectfully (I hope) but it’s just the first thing my brain goes to.

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      • solsangraal@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        sometimes it’s good to examine things from all angles; i’m mostly talking about people who will start arguing if you say “nice weather today”-- shit gets old quick

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    • bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No they are not

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    • Devdoggy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      MAGA??

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yup and guess what they are way more vocal online since they can still have an audience there and this is one of the reasons social media sites are so skewed from representing generalizable opinions. It’s a contrarian incubator.

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    • SufferingSteve@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m in this comment, and I don’t like it

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s something quite funny about making a few replies to people on a topic, doing something else with your life for several hours, then logging back in to a shitstorm. I’ve done it unintentionally a few times.

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    • btaf45@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We’ve all done that. One time I posted something and forgot about it. Came back next day and found the first person to comment completely derailed what I was saying by mischaracterizing it. And then all the replies were about the mischaracterization and there were no replies to the substance of what I actually said.

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      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I can definitely sympathise with that.

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  • antisocialite@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In other news, water is wet.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No it’s not. You are.

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  • TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I disagree.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not something you can agree or not, it’s a fact!

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    • elvith@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then we agree to disagree

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    • FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Then you are banned.” – Redditor Jannie

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    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you’re wrong.

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      • TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I disagree

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      • solrize@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well ackshually…

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  • n3cr0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How to get rid of the last few human reddit users … and freedom of speech.

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