Nintendo Anti-Piracy Policy Device Lock Update Warns of Console Bricks for Unauthorized Use

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• MIDItheKID@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well they ain’t gonna brick my SreamDeck, so I say go for it Nintendo.

  Not that I think this is acceptable behavior, but I’m okay with them pushing people away from their systems into using alternatives.

  This is a self-own.

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• glitchdx@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the kind of shit that makes me want to pirate nintendo’s games purely for the principle of the matter.

  I have several reasons for not buying nintendo’s games, from their piss-poor customer service, to threatening content creators with litigation, to actually litigating indie competitors, to cease-and-desisting fanmade mods and games, and generally treating their most dedicated fans like shit.

  If it were possible to legally buy nintendo games and directly download them to my pc to play on whatever emulator I wanted, even if nintendo offered zero support for it, that might be enough to convince me to be a paying customer again. But no, nintendo has to do shit like this instead. fuck nintendo.

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• randomname@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well there’s another reason I’m going to wait to emulate the switch 2.

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• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  FTR: this thumbnail is clickbait and there is no such error screen like this à

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• Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is pure speculation, the language in the t&c describes what happens now: the console and/or the account gets banned from online gaming

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• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m sure this totally wont backfire and screw over legitimate owners due to some totally unforeseen glitch or idiocy on nintendos part.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This title has bad accessibility.

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• Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d love to see Nintendo try this in Norway! Completely and wholly illegal consumer practice. It’s incredibly hostile and would only work in countries where corporations have stronger rights than humans.

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• dzsimbo@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I do understand their point in a weird twist of copyright and marketplace spirit:

  Companies lose money on consoles, so they can’t afford to sell the hardware without people paying for the software.

  All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour, but they will face the appropriate backlash in some form or the other.

  As someone who grew up on Nintendo I don’t wish them ill, even though they are suffocating that part of the emulation industry. I’d rather we find the reason of the imbalance why we don’t have 80 bucks to easily shell out for a game and address why Nintendo feels it needs to sit on it’s old IP.

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  • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour

    Lick the boot.

    A company being able to remotely lock down your device is incredibly anti-consumer.

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    • dzsimbo@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also pretty slimy that reporters had to snoop it out of the new EULA and Nintendo didn’t put out a press release addressing it.

      I’m really happy you recognize a megacorp’s evil behaviour, but you don’t have to agree with something just because you understand why and how it works.

      I guess the proper answer to your diss would be: cope better. Maybe I don’t understand this corner of the internet yet, but I feel we’re missing out on great debates and ideas if soapboxing is more important.

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  • Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nintendo is actually the exception in this regard, they sold the switch at a profit from day 1.

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    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think all the console makers sell consoles at profit anymore.

      Hence why the prices are stupid high.

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• Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well I won’t buy one now.

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• veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  it is always ethical to pirate Nintendo stuff

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  • detun3d@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it wasn’t for “piracy” (volunteers lovingly preserving and modding their games and consoles and sharing their work for free) most people would’ve left and forgotten about Nintendo years ago. Their products would have been remembered just like those old, abandoned songs you never hear on any streaming service anymore, then sometimes think about and never bother to find because “it’s so X0’s” anyway. Most of these companies owe modders and “pirates” the fact that they’re so happily earning so much in this golden era of remasters and remakes.

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  • thmnwlf@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    please elaborate

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If buying isn’t owning then piracy isn’t theft.

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    • Ushmel@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nintendo sucks and deserves it

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Avast! Watch an’ learn, me hearties!

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• ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why are they being game nazis?

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  • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because Japan’s copyright law is fascist as fuck. Fair use doesn’t even exist there.

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    • Lesrid@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fair use is a defense in US copyright cases, it’s a precedent not an allowance or law

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• Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m just gonna mod chip it before they can brick me. Boom

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  • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m just not going to buy it. Boom.

    If a game comes out that I really want to play (doubtful; I haven’t enjoyed a Nintendo title since the GameCube), I’m pirating the fuck out of it.

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    • WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Run their games at higher fps, higher resolution, for free? Maybe Nintendo shouldn’t be fucking around so much.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nintendo’s single-minded determination to enshittify makes me want to wait to get the next Switch, TBH.

  I know it won’t matter, as their core fan base will happily endure the bullshit changes they’re considering for another Zelda or Mario Kart, but it would be nice if enough people decide not to buy that it actually persuades the company to be a little more reasonable.

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• jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Will this realistically affect switch mods at all?

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• DigDoug@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It is illegal in the EU. This was announced specifically for the US

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    • BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ahh the land of the free

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    • nuko147@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think US and UK.

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    • anas@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Specifically for the US or specifically not for the EU?

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    • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The EU is the true land of the free.

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Good news: a Switch emulator already exists.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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• 2ugly2live@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is Nintendo mad at us? I know it’s a business, but it’s like they’re trying to top themselves with every announcement.

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  • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Japan has very strict IP laws, nintendo lost out on licensing in the past because of this, so they pursue all infringement aggressively so they aren’t judge as not sufficiently defending their ownership.

    But it doesn’t really matter to you or the thousands of other people who post this because you don’t really want to be educated and just want to be rewarded for your clever words.

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    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re answering the questions, but then you’re also throwing in these odd misanthropic asides. Is this a bit?

      I appreciate your insights into Japanese IP law and Nintendo biz lore in this thread.

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    • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Damn, you really are angry.

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    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Japanese IP laws are no more strict than other major blocs due to trade agreements. Nintendo has never “lost out on licensing” due to IP laws. Beginning in tbe 1980s, they have been extremely and aggressively litigious as a matter of company policy. They literally see everything they produce as theirs… you don’t own the things you buy from them. You pay them for the enjoyment of using their things. They’re about as hardcore neoliberal as it gets. In other words, they seem evil because they are evil.

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    • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      At this point, I’m just calling this an excuse.

      I mean, fuck Japanese IP laws, but also fuck Nintendo for trying to gaslight us into pretending everything is normal and standard. Nintendo of America is not in fucking Japan.

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re trying to slow-boil you into having to play exclusively by their rules. In a couple years they’ll want to forbid you from having the console in your home, you’ll only be allowed to use it in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms located at select locations. They’ll cost $20/hr to use, and you have to buy the console first.

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    • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Literally none of you understand why nintendo is doing this

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• PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Personally I’m baffled by peoples responses. It has always been the case that you risked bricking your console when you hacked it with custom firmware. It was been the case since at least the PSP. Usually this was just security updates trying to prevent the recent hack method from working, but often had the potential to brick the system if you weren’t careful.

  Now people read some legalese that might just as well exist just to cover Nintendo’s ass should this in fact happen and without any further proof some assume there an actual kill switch in the device. People are just itching to bring out the pitchforks.

  In another note, people most mad about this and stating they will no longer buy from Nintendo… seem to be the exact same people who demand the right to hack and mod their device. So in a way, Nintendo is winning here simply by discouraging exactly some of those people from buying the console. And all it took was a few lines in their user agreement.

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  • Strider@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m confused by your last paragraph.

    Wanting or demanding to own and hack your device does not mean you’re not a big spender.

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    • PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It certainly doesn’t exclude it. But many people do hack their console to avoid paying for games or to develop emulators that allow people to avoid buying the system itself. And Nintendo certainly seems to be convinced that it happens enough to mater. While I agree there should room to let people tinker and play the way they want, I think Nintendo should also be allowed to try and prevent piracy of their games.

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  • DigDoug@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Nintendo may render…the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.”

    This isn’t just a warning from Nintendo that you risk bricking your console if you try to hack it.

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    • PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, because that’s not the main goal of these kinds of documents. This is a broad enough definition of what might happen when you tamper with your device that might protect their ass in court should it ever get to that.

      But it doesn’t really imply they have a kill switch. Their currently used, fully locking devices out of the Nintendo servers, can already be seen as turning the device “permanently unusable in whole or in part”. Especially with how digital and online focused consoles have become.

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• nuko147@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  3 months ago i was planning to buy 3 more games on my Switch and upgrade to Switch 2 when it comes out.

  After the shit with the Switch 2 launch and the anti-consumer attitude, i was ok I’m buying 2 more games on Switch and only PC after.

  Now i am thinking that they don’t gonna see another cent from me.

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  • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Steam deck and emulation. No new game is that critical, emulators will come out.

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  • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thats the spirit. Fuck nintendo.

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  • Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Im thinking of selling the switch 2 I pre-ordered directly from Nintendo… might get more than a grand

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    • nuko147@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who is paying a grand to buy a Nintendo console, Jesus Christ. Then again i see the prices of GPUs, and i remember how crazy this world really is.

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• Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You own the hardware, but not the software.

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You “own” your car, but the dealership stole the keys, removed the engine, and locked the wheels because you bought a used set of winter tyres from a reseller.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sounds like an endorsement for custom firmwares.

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• LandedGentry@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • endeavor@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i mean switch 1 has all the same games swithc 2 does cause all nintendo does is re release the same shit every year like ea sports and all the other aaa slop.

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• Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  IANAL but, If I’m understanding this article right, it sounds like their new terms are going to give them the authority to brick your Nintendo console if you reverse engineer it. If this is the case I firmly expect this is going to be challenged in court because if I understand the current laws right this directly contradicts the end users right to reverse engineer Hardware that they own. Nintendo would be allowed to terminate your account and block access to the network with them over it as that’s something that they actively maintain, however I don’t believe they can legally remove access to a piece of Hardware that you purchased, soley due to the fact that you reverse engineered and installed a third-party software to it.

  Now don’t get me wrong, they can definitely refuse warranty if(and only if) that modification caused a malfunction, however it’s a big jump to go from we’re not going to repair your device and you’re no longer allowed to access our Network to this $400 object that you purchased is now a brick.

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• mctoasterson@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this to me counteract the Migswitch specifically?

  Seems like a load of crap either way.

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  • ms_lane@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That and probably since V1 switches are softmoddable forever.

    ‘Bricking’ seems to be hyperbole from the author though, I’d wager they’re doing the same online bans as Switch1. However as Game Key carts are going to be a big thing now- with no eShop access those Game Key carts might not work if you don’t have the game downloaded already. (or possibly might not work at all)

    That would render the device unusable if you only had Game Key Carts and/or digital purchases, you’d not really be able to use the console at all.

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• TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As DRM has taught us - there’s always a way around. Make it harder? Well, that just makes it more of a challenge. It will hacked, and bypassed. All this does is make Nintendo look like a bunch of assholes.

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• hydrashok@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Dear fans,

  “We’ve seen the feedback online that everyone is unhappy that our new generation of hardware and software is too expensive. Nintendo listens to customer feedback, and we appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo products!

  “In response to the community, we’ve updated our license agreement so that if you even think about not paying us, we’ll kick you off ALL our stuff and cancel every other Nintendo thing you have! We’ll even send a brute squad to your house and smash your legacy NES we can’t brick remotely in front of your kids! Nobody messes with Nintendo!

  “Now, get out there, and buy, buy, buy!

  “Sincerely, your friendly, caring friends at Nintendo.”

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  • Angry_Autist@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Might want to research Japanese IP law before you strawman, but apparently by the upvotes all of lemmy is just as ignorant as you are

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    • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Apart from the admittedly over the top hyperbole about the NES, what portion of my sarcasm would you say qualifies as a strawman?

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• MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love Nintendo. I have all the residual warm memories, plus the disposable income to buy a Switch 2. I am the easiest segment of their established base to market to.

  I’m not mad, I’m just not going to buy anymore.

  In time, Nintendo will be something I used to love.

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What makes love truly special has little to do with duration. Sometimes we need to set something free and remember the love we had and the joy it brang. We can always remember those good times, they can’t take that away. It is time to let Nintendo go now.

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  • Strider@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Indeed it really seems they’re doing a lot to piss off the, well, fans.

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    • MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It might be a demographics thing, but instead of getting pissed off, I’m willing and able to simply let sentiment and any sense of fealty die.

      Never mind calming a sense of anger, how will they get me to feel anything about their product?

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• Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So happy I went with a steam deck

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  • nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s great that these devices finally exist. For the longest time your only option for handheld gaming was Nintendo, or maybe Sony for a short period of time, so I always went with Nintendo as a companion device to my PC.

    When the Switch launched, I started wishing for a PC with that form factor, unrealistic as that was at the time. At some point in time I even got hardware-banned from anything online because I dared to install some things on it in order to transfer my save files between PC and Switch. Even lost the ability to download a game I had already bought but not yet installed.

    Thankfully, around that time the Steam Deck was announced, and the only time I booted the Switch afterwards was to dump all my games and saves.

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    • Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Back on the mid 2000s I had a PSP, it was awesome. I hacked it and ripped all my games to the memory, so I can have all my games with me. I didn’t like having to bring the delicate UMD, so hacking it really made the device ultimate for me. Also I mostly collect physical games, really don’t like digital only. This gave me the ability to have both.

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• rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Best argument in favor of emulation so far.

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• eddanja@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This just makes me want to pirate it…

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