I’m sure this totally wont backfire and screw over legitimate owners due to some totally unforeseen glitch or idiocy on nintendos part.
Nintendo Anti-Piracy Policy Device Lock Update Warns of Console Bricks for Unauthorized Use
Submitted 23 hours ago by heimy@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
https://www.gamescensor.com/nintendo-anti-piracy-policy-device-lock/
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A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
FTR: this thumbnail is clickbait and there is no such error screen like this à
veniasilente@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
it is always ethical to pirate Nintendo stuff
detun3d@lemm.ee 55 minutes ago
If it wasn’t for “piracy” (volunteers lovingly preserving and modding their games and consoles and sharing their work for free) most people would’ve left and forgotten about Nintendo years ago. Their products would have been remembered just like those old, abandoned songs you never hear on any streaming service anymore, then sometimes think about and never bother to find because “it’s so X0’s” anyway. Most of these companies owe modders and “pirates” the fact that they’re so happily earning so much in this golden era of remasters and remakes.
thmnwlf@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
please elaborate
Ushmel@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Nintendo sucks and deserves it
Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Avast! Watch an’ learn, me hearties!
DigDoug@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
[deleted]BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
It is illegal in the EU. This was announced specifically for the US
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The EU is the true land of the free.
nuko147@lemm.ee 12 hours ago
I think US and UK.
anas@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Specifically for the US or specifically not for the EU?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
This title has bad accessibility.
capt_wolf@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Just another reason to stop buying consoles. Imagine building or buying a pc for your OS to just be like, “No, we think you’re pirating something. We’re going to lock your system and make it entirely unusable. Enjoy your ~$1000 paperweight!”
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
If you think either Apple or Microsoft wouldn’t do that,.you’ve likely too young to know about “hackingtosh” computers or too nerdy to have read the windows 11 coverage.
That neither company would do it without a profit motive is a good argument to ban both from running “app stores”.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
That’s why linux is the only choice for me now.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Hackintoshes have been around since the 80s and this has never happened.
In 2009-2012 Apple did levy a successful lawsuit against Psystar for doing this in a business environment. But they’ve never enforced bricking a consumer Hackintosh and I expect they never will.
quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
You guys still use Windows and Macs, lol?
OctaviaMeowzly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Or buy a steam deck
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
No, we think you’re pirating something. We’re going to lock your system and make it entirely unusable.
Microsoft would 100% do this with Windows if they had the technical competence, heh.
Apple’s just closing off practical workarounds.
Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
I’d love to see Nintendo try this in Norway! Completely and wholly illegal consumer practice. It’s incredibly hostile and would only work in countries where corporations have stronger rights than humans.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
This is pure speculation, the language in the t&c describes what happens now: the console and/or the account gets banned from online gaming
umbrella@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
that will just make me wait until an emulator and roms come out.
fuck nintendo.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Good news: a Switch emulator already exists.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
i thought this had to do with the switch 2 but reading more into it, the first could very well be updated to do this too. thats shitty as fuck.
nuko147@lemm.ee 19 hours ago
3 months ago i was planning to buy 3 more games on my Switch and upgrade to Switch 2 when it comes out.
After the shit with the Switch 2 launch and the anti-consumer attitude, i was ok I’m buying 2 more games on Switch and only PC after.
Now i am thinking that they don’t gonna see another cent from me.
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 12 hours ago
Thats the spirit. Fuck nintendo.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Steam deck and emulation. No new game is that critical, emulators will come out.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Im thinking of selling the switch 2 I pre-ordered directly from Nintendo… might get more than a grand
nuko147@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
Who is paying a grand to buy a Nintendo console, Jesus Christ. Then again i see the prices of GPUs, and i remember how crazy this world really is.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
Why are they being game nazis?
Psythik@lemm.ee 14 hours ago
Because Japan’s copyright law is fascist as fuck. Fair use doesn’t even exist there.
Lesrid@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
Fair use is a defense in US copyright cases, it’s a precedent not an allowance or law
Guidy@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Easy solution: Don’t buy one. Play games on a PC. Nintendo isn’t your friend.
2ugly2live@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Is Nintendo mad at us? I know it’s a business, but it’s like they’re trying to top themselves with every announcement.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
They’re trying to slow-boil you into having to play exclusively by their rules. In a couple years they’ll want to forbid you from having the console in your home, you’ll only be allowed to use it in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms located at select locations. They’ll cost $20/hr to use, and you have to buy the console first.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Literally none of you understand why nintendo is doing this
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Japan has very strict IP laws, nintendo lost out on licensing in the past because of this, so they pursue all infringement aggressively so they aren’t judge as not sufficiently defending their ownership.
But it doesn’t really matter to you or the thousands of other people who post this because you don’t really want to be educated and just want to be rewarded for your clever words.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 hours ago
You’re answering the questions, but then you’re also throwing in these odd misanthropic asides. Is this a bit?
I appreciate your insights into Japanese IP law and Nintendo biz lore in this thread.
2ugly2live@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Damn, you really are angry.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Japanese IP laws are no more strict than other major blocs due to trade agreements. Nintendo has never “lost out on licensing” due to IP laws. Beginning in tbe 1980s, they have been extremely and aggressively litigious as a matter of company policy. They literally see everything they produce as theirs… you don’t own the things you buy from them. You pay them for the enjoyment of using their things. They’re about as hardcore neoliberal as it gets. In other words, they seem evil because they are evil.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
At this point, I’m just calling this an excuse.
I mean, fuck Japanese IP laws, but also fuck Nintendo for trying to gaslight us into pretending everything is normal and standard. Nintendo of America is not in fucking Japan.
rtxn@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Best argument in favor of emulation so far.
plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
Yeah that’s illegal. It’s the customers hardware once they buy it. Still gonna hack it like every Nintendo console before.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
Depends how it is done
Full console brick? You have an argument.
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
And the latter effectively provides the former if you can’t download any updates, connect to any online servers, or even download your game from a “game key card” or whatever the hell they are calling those.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The latter is also how Microsoft and Sony handle it.
You go online with a modded console? Console ID gets banned and you can’t ever access online services of any kind with that console.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
Its only “valid” if its preventing future purchases. Not allowing someone to access a digital item they already own is kinda like the book store going in your house and taking the book you already bought.
plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 21 hours ago
The switch already results in online ban if you play an online game with a hacked console, which they need to do to protect against cheaters.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Why are people upvoting your obviously incorrect statement? Do we literally just not care about truth anymore?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Newsflash: Europe exists
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
“Dear fans,
“We’ve seen the feedback online that everyone is unhappy that our new generation of hardware and software is too expensive. Nintendo listens to customer feedback, and we appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo products!
“In response to the community, we’ve updated our license agreement so that if you even think about not paying us, we’ll kick you off ALL our stuff and cancel every other Nintendo thing you have! We’ll even send a brute squad to your house and smash your legacy NES we can’t brick remotely in front of your kids! Nobody messes with Nintendo!
“Now, get out there, and buy, buy, buy!
“Sincerely, your friendly, caring friends at Nintendo.”
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Might want to research Japanese IP law before you strawman, but apparently by the upvotes all of lemmy is just as ignorant as you are
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Apart from the admittedly over the top hyperbole about the NES, what portion of my sarcasm would you say qualifies as a strawman?
dzsimbo@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
I do understand their point in a weird twist of copyright and marketplace spirit:
Companies lose money on consoles, so they can’t afford to sell the hardware without people paying for the software.
All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour, but they will face the appropriate backlash in some form or the other.
As someone who grew up on Nintendo I don’t wish them ill, even though they are suffocating that part of the emulation industry. I’d rather we find the reason of the imbalance why we don’t have 80 bucks to easily shell out for a game and address why Nintendo feels it needs to sit on it’s old IP.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour
Lick the boot.
A company being able to remotely lock down your device is incredibly anti-consumer.
Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 7 hours ago
Nintendo is actually the exception in this regard, they sold the switch at a profit from day 1.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I think all the console makers sell consoles at profit anymore.
Hence why the prices are stupid high.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Well I won’t buy one now.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Yesterday I saw an article about this, and in typical Nintendo fanboy fashion one of the first comments I saw was “so what? They did with the first switch too.” As if somehow makes it better just because it’s expected lmao
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
i mean switch 1 has all the same games swithc 2 does cause all nintendo does is re release the same shit every year like ea sports and all the other aaa slop.
eddanja@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
This just makes me want to pirate it…
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
So happy I went with a steam deck
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 22 hours ago
It’s great that these devices finally exist. For the longest time your only option for handheld gaming was Nintendo, or maybe Sony for a short period of time, so I always went with Nintendo as a companion device to my PC.
When the Switch launched, I started wishing for a PC with that form factor, unrealistic as that was at the time. At some point in time I even got hardware-banned from anything online because I dared to install some things on it in order to transfer my save files between PC and Switch. Even lost the ability to download a game I had already bought but not yet installed.
Thankfully, around that time the Steam Deck was announced, and the only time I booted the Switch afterwards was to dump all my games and saves.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Back on the mid 2000s I had a PSP, it was awesome. I hacked it and ripped all my games to the memory, so I can have all my games with me. I didn’t like having to bring the delicate UMD, so hacking it really made the device ultimate for me. Also I mostly collect physical games, really don’t like digital only. This gave me the ability to have both.
rauls4@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
Fine. Then we will need to run their titles in other hardware with emulation.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
For real though, like I don’t see their monetary gain here. The only thing they’re encouraging is people to just not bother buying the switch in the first place in favor of other projects. I believe if they manage to go through with this and actually enforce these new terms, that were just going to see A Renewed effort of a completely independent emulator that can run their games. One that would allow third party modification and firmware
arakhis_@feddit.org 23 hours ago
how is this different to yesterday’s post? thanks for sharing either way
donuts@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
It’s not. OP only shares links from this specific website, leading me to believe they are just here to push their own site without checking whether it was actually already posted
simple@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
Or the one from a few days ago
I don’t know how many times people are going to post this.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
IANAL but, If I’m understanding this article right, it sounds like their new terms are going to give them the authority to brick your Nintendo console if you reverse engineer it. If this is the case I firmly expect this is going to be challenged in court because if I understand the current laws right this directly contradicts the end users right to reverse engineer Hardware that they own. Nintendo would be allowed to terminate your account and block access to the network with them over it as that’s something that they actively maintain, however I don’t believe they can legally remove access to a piece of Hardware that you purchased, soley due to the fact that you reverse engineered and installed a third-party software to it.
Now don’t get me wrong, they can definitely refuse warranty if(and only if) that modification caused a malfunction, however it’s a big jump to go from we’re not going to repair your device and you’re no longer allowed to access our Network to this $400 object that you purchased is now a brick.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’m just gonna mod chip it before they can brick me. Boom
Psythik@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
I’m just not going to buy it. Boom.
If a game comes out that I really want to play (doubtful; I haven’t enjoyed a Nintendo title since the GameCube), I’m pirating the fuck out of it.
WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Run their games at higher fps, higher resolution, for free? Maybe Nintendo shouldn’t be fucking around so much.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Nintendo’s single-minded determination to enshittify makes me want to wait to get the next Switch, TBH.
I know it won’t matter, as their core fan base will happily endure the bullshit changes they’re considering for another Zelda or Mario Kart, but it would be nice if enough people decide not to buy that it actually persuades the company to be a little more reasonable.
PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Personally I’m baffled by peoples responses. It has always been the case that you risked bricking your console when you hacked it with custom firmware. It was been the case since at least the PSP. Usually this was just security updates trying to prevent the recent hack method from working, but often had the potential to brick the system if you weren’t careful.
Now people read some legalese that might just as well exist just to cover Nintendo’s ass should this in fact happen and without any further proof some assume there an actual kill switch in the device. People are just itching to bring out the pitchforks.
In another note, people most mad about this and stating they will no longer buy from Nintendo… seem to be the exact same people who demand the right to hack and mod their device. So in a way, Nintendo is winning here simply by discouraging exactly some of those people from buying the console. And all it took was a few lines in their user agreement.
DigDoug@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
“Nintendo may render…the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part.”
This isn’t just a warning from Nintendo that you risk bricking your console if you try to hack it.
PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
No, because that’s not the main goal of these kinds of documents. This is a broad enough definition of what might happen when you tamper with your device that might protect their ass in court should it ever get to that.
But it doesn’t really imply they have a kill switch. Their currently used, fully locking devices out of the Nintendo servers, can already be seen as turning the device “permanently unusable in whole or in part”. Especially with how digital and online focused consoles have become.
Strider@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I’m confused by your last paragraph.
Wanting or demanding to own and hack your device does not mean you’re not a big spender.
PixiePoop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
It certainly doesn’t exclude it. But many people do hack their console to avoid paying for games or to develop emulators that allow people to avoid buying the system itself. And Nintendo certainly seems to be convinced that it happens enough to mater. While I agree there should room to let people tinker and play the way they want, I think Nintendo should also be allowed to try and prevent piracy of their games.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I love Nintendo. I have all the residual warm memories, plus the disposable income to buy a Switch 2. I am the easiest segment of their established base to market to.
I’m not mad, I’m just not going to buy anymore.
In time, Nintendo will be something I used to love.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
What makes love truly special has little to do with duration. Sometimes we need to set something free and remember the love we had and the joy it brang. We can always remember those good times, they can’t take that away. It is time to let Nintendo go now.
Strider@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Indeed it really seems they’re doing a lot to piss off the, well, fans.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It might be a demographics thing, but instead of getting pissed off, I’m willing and able to simply let sentiment and any sense of fealty die.
Never mind calming a sense of anger, how will they get me to feel anything about their product?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Nintendo be Nintendo.
randomname@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Well there’s another reason I’m going to wait to emulate the switch 2.