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Nintendo Anti-Piracy Policy Device Lock Update Warns of Console Bricks for Unauthorized Use
Submitted 3 weeks ago by heimy@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
https://www.gamescensor.com/nintendo-anti-piracy-policy-device-lock/
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DigDoug@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
It is illegal in the EU. This was announced specifically for the US
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The EU is the true land of the free.
nuko147@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I think US and UK.
anas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Specifically for the US or specifically not for the EU?
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ahh the land of the free
veniasilente@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
it is always ethical to pirate Nintendo stuff
detun3d@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
If it wasn’t for “piracy” (volunteers lovingly preserving and modding their games and consoles and sharing their work for free) most people would’ve left and forgotten about Nintendo years ago. Their products would have been remembered just like those old, abandoned songs you never hear on any streaming service anymore, then sometimes think about and never bother to find because “it’s so X0’s” anyway. Most of these companies owe modders and “pirates” the fact that they’re so happily earning so much in this golden era of remasters and remakes.
thmnwlf@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
please elaborate
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Avast! Watch an’ learn, me hearties!
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
If buying isn’t owning then piracy isn’t theft.
Ushmel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nintendo sucks and deserves it
Guidy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Easy solution: Don’t buy one. Play games on a PC. Nintendo isn’t your friend.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
that will just make me wait until an emulator and roms come out.
fuck nintendo.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Good news: a Switch emulator already exists.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
i thought this had to do with the switch 2 but reading more into it, the first could very well be updated to do this too. thats shitty as fuck.
nuko147@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
3 months ago i was planning to buy 3 more games on my Switch and upgrade to Switch 2 when it comes out.
After the shit with the Switch 2 launch and the anti-consumer attitude, i was ok I’m buying 2 more games on Switch and only PC after.
Now i am thinking that they don’t gonna see another cent from me.
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 weeks ago
Thats the spirit. Fuck nintendo.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Im thinking of selling the switch 2 I pre-ordered directly from Nintendo… might get more than a grand
nuko147@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Who is paying a grand to buy a Nintendo console, Jesus Christ. Then again i see the prices of GPUs, and i remember how crazy this world really is.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Steam deck and emulation. No new game is that critical, emulators will come out.
rtxn@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Best argument in favor of emulation so far.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m sure this totally wont backfire and screw over legitimate owners due to some totally unforeseen glitch or idiocy on nintendos part.
plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Yeah that’s illegal. It’s the customers hardware once they buy it. Still gonna hack it like every Nintendo console before.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Depends how it is done
Full console brick? You have an argument.
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
And the latter effectively provides the former if you can’t download any updates, connect to any online servers, or even download your game from a “game key card” or whatever the hell they are calling those.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Disable of all online functionality? Perfectly valid and no different than banning someone from a store.
Its only “valid” if its preventing future purchases. Not allowing someone to access a digital item they already own is kinda like the book store going in your house and taking the book you already bought.
plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
The switch already results in online ban if you play an online game with a hacked console, which they need to do to protect against cheaters.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The latter is also how Microsoft and Sony handle it.
You go online with a modded console? Console ID gets banned and you can’t ever access online services of any kind with that console.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why are people upvoting your obviously incorrect statement? Do we literally just not care about truth anymore?
Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I’d love to see Nintendo try this in Norway! Completely and wholly illegal consumer practice. It’s incredibly hostile and would only work in countries where corporations have stronger rights than humans.
2ugly2live@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is Nintendo mad at us? I know it’s a business, but it’s like they’re trying to top themselves with every announcement.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re trying to slow-boil you into having to play exclusively by their rules. In a couple years they’ll want to forbid you from having the console in your home, you’ll only be allowed to use it in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms located at select locations. They’ll cost $20/hr to use, and you have to buy the console first.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Literally none of you understand why nintendo is doing this
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Japan has very strict IP laws, nintendo lost out on licensing in the past because of this, so they pursue all infringement aggressively so they aren’t judge as not sufficiently defending their ownership.
But it doesn’t really matter to you or the thousands of other people who post this because you don’t really want to be educated and just want to be rewarded for your clever words.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
At this point, I’m just calling this an excuse.
I mean, fuck Japanese IP laws, but also fuck Nintendo for trying to gaslight us into pretending everything is normal and standard. Nintendo of America is not in fucking Japan.
2ugly2live@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Damn, you really are angry.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Japanese IP laws are no more strict than other major blocs due to trade agreements. Nintendo has never “lost out on licensing” due to IP laws. Beginning in tbe 1980s, they have been extremely and aggressively litigious as a matter of company policy. They literally see everything they produce as theirs… you don’t own the things you buy from them. You pay them for the enjoyment of using their things. They’re about as hardcore neoliberal as it gets. In other words, they seem evil because they are evil.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
You’re answering the questions, but then you’re also throwing in these odd misanthropic asides. Is this a bit?
I appreciate your insights into Japanese IP law and Nintendo biz lore in this thread.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Why are they being game nazis?
Psythik@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Because Japan’s copyright law is fascist as fuck. Fair use doesn’t even exist there.
Lesrid@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Fair use is a defense in US copyright cases, it’s a precedent not an allowance or law
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
“Dear fans,
“We’ve seen the feedback online that everyone is unhappy that our new generation of hardware and software is too expensive. Nintendo listens to customer feedback, and we appreciate your enthusiasm for Nintendo products!
“In response to the community, we’ve updated our license agreement so that if you even think about not paying us, we’ll kick you off ALL our stuff and cancel every other Nintendo thing you have! We’ll even send a brute squad to your house and smash your legacy NES we can’t brick remotely in front of your kids! Nobody messes with Nintendo!
“Now, get out there, and buy, buy, buy!
“Sincerely, your friendly, caring friends at Nintendo.”
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Might want to research Japanese IP law before you strawman, but apparently by the upvotes all of lemmy is just as ignorant as you are
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Apart from the admittedly over the top hyperbole about the NES, what portion of my sarcasm would you say qualifies as a strawman?
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
[deleted]endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
i mean switch 1 has all the same games swithc 2 does cause all nintendo does is re release the same shit every year like ea sports and all the other aaa slop.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is the kind of shit that makes me want to pirate nintendo’s games purely for the principle of the matter.
I have several reasons for not buying nintendo’s games, from their piss-poor customer service, to threatening content creators with litigation, to actually litigating indie competitors, to cease-and-desisting fanmade mods and games, and generally treating their most dedicated fans like shit.
If it were possible to legally buy nintendo games and directly download them to my pc to play on whatever emulator I wanted, even if nintendo offered zero support for it, that might be enough to convince me to be a paying customer again. But no, nintendo has to do shit like this instead. fuck nintendo.
eddanja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This just makes me want to pirate it…
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So happy I went with a steam deck
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 3 weeks ago
It’s great that these devices finally exist. For the longest time your only option for handheld gaming was Nintendo, or maybe Sony for a short period of time, so I always went with Nintendo as a companion device to my PC.
When the Switch launched, I started wishing for a PC with that form factor, unrealistic as that was at the time. At some point in time I even got hardware-banned from anything online because I dared to install some things on it in order to transfer my save files between PC and Switch. Even lost the ability to download a game I had already bought but not yet installed.
Thankfully, around that time the Steam Deck was announced, and the only time I booted the Switch afterwards was to dump all my games and saves.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Back on the mid 2000s I had a PSP, it was awesome. I hacked it and ripped all my games to the memory, so I can have all my games with me. I didn’t like having to bring the delicate UMD, so hacking it really made the device ultimate for me. Also I mostly collect physical games, really don’t like digital only. This gave me the ability to have both.
randomname@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well there’s another reason I’m going to wait to emulate the switch 2.
rauls4@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Fine. Then we will need to run their titles in other hardware with emulation.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
For real though, like I don’t see their monetary gain here. The only thing they’re encouraging is people to just not bother buying the switch in the first place in favor of other projects. I believe if they manage to go through with this and actually enforce these new terms, that were just going to see A Renewed effort of a completely independent emulator that can run their games. One that would allow third party modification and firmware
arakhis_@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
how is this different to yesterday’s post? thanks for sharing either way
donuts@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not. OP only shares links from this specific website, leading me to believe they are just here to push their own site without checking whether it was actually already posted
simple@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Or the one from a few days ago
I don’t know how many times people are going to post this.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
IANAL but, If I’m understanding this article right, it sounds like their new terms are going to give them the authority to brick your Nintendo console if you reverse engineer it. If this is the case I firmly expect this is going to be challenged in court because if I understand the current laws right this directly contradicts the end users right to reverse engineer Hardware that they own. Nintendo would be allowed to terminate your account and block access to the network with them over it as that’s something that they actively maintain, however I don’t believe they can legally remove access to a piece of Hardware that you purchased, soley due to the fact that you reverse engineered and installed a third-party software to it.
Now don’t get me wrong, they can definitely refuse warranty if(and only if) that modification caused a malfunction, however it’s a big jump to go from we’re not going to repair your device and you’re no longer allowed to access our Network to this $400 object that you purchased is now a brick.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This title has bad accessibility.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well I won’t buy one now.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I love Nintendo. I have all the residual warm memories, plus the disposable income to buy a Switch 2. I am the easiest segment of their established base to market to.
I’m not mad, I’m just not going to buy anymore.
In time, Nintendo will be something I used to love.
Strider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Indeed it really seems they’re doing a lot to piss off the, well, fans.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It might be a demographics thing, but instead of getting pissed off, I’m willing and able to simply let sentiment and any sense of fealty die.
Never mind calming a sense of anger, how will they get me to feel anything about their product?
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What makes love truly special has little to do with duration. Sometimes we need to set something free and remember the love we had and the joy it brang. We can always remember those good times, they can’t take that away. It is time to let Nintendo go now.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nintendo be Nintendo.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
FTR: this thumbnail is clickbait and there is no such error screen like this à
dzsimbo@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I do understand their point in a weird twist of copyright and marketplace spirit:
Companies lose money on consoles, so they can’t afford to sell the hardware without people paying for the software.
All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour, but they will face the appropriate backlash in some form or the other.
As someone who grew up on Nintendo I don’t wish them ill, even though they are suffocating that part of the emulation industry. I’d rather we find the reason of the imbalance why we don’t have 80 bucks to easily shell out for a game and address why Nintendo feels it needs to sit on it’s old IP.
Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Nintendo is actually the exception in this regard, they sold the switch at a profit from day 1.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think all the console makers sell consoles at profit anymore.
Hence why the prices are stupid high.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
All in all, I don’t think it’s totally anti-consumer behaviour
Lick the boot.
A company being able to remotely lock down your device is incredibly anti-consumer.
dzsimbo@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
It’s also pretty slimy that reporters had to snoop it out of the new EULA and Nintendo didn’t put out a press release addressing it.
I’m really happy you recognize a megacorp’s evil behaviour, but you don’t have to agree with something just because you understand why and how it works.
I guess the proper answer to your diss would be: cope better. Maybe I don’t understand this corner of the internet yet, but I feel we’re missing out on great debates and ideas if soapboxing is more important.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As DRM has taught us - there’s always a way around. Make it harder? Well, that just makes it more of a challenge. It will hacked, and bypassed. All this does is make Nintendo look like a bunch of assholes.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m just gonna mod chip it before they can brick me. Boom
Psythik@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I’m just not going to buy it. Boom.
If a game comes out that I really want to play (doubtful; I haven’t enjoyed a Nintendo title since the GameCube), I’m pirating the fuck out of it.
WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Run their games at higher fps, higher resolution, for free? Maybe Nintendo shouldn’t be fucking around so much.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nintendo’s single-minded determination to enshittify makes me want to wait to get the next Switch, TBH.
I know it won’t matter, as their core fan base will happily endure the bullshit changes they’re considering for another Zelda or Mario Kart, but it would be nice if enough people decide not to buy that it actually persuades the company to be a little more reasonable.
capt_wolf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Just another reason to stop buying consoles. Imagine building or buying a pc for your OS to just be like, “No, we think you’re pirating something. We’re going to lock your system and make it entirely unusable. Enjoy your ~$1000 paperweight!”
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you think either Apple or Microsoft wouldn’t do that,.you’ve likely too young to know about “hackingtosh” computers or too nerdy to have read the windows 11 coverage.
That neither company would do it without a profit motive is a good argument to ban both from running “app stores”.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
That’s why linux is the only choice for me now.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hackintoshes have been around since the 80s and this has never happened.
In 2009-2012 Apple did levy a successful lawsuit against Psystar for doing this in a business environment. But they’ve never enforced bricking a consumer Hackintosh and I expect they never will.
quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You guys still use Windows and Macs, lol?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Microsoft would 100% do this with Windows if they had the technical competence, heh.
Apple’s just closing off practical workarounds.
OctaviaMeowzly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Or buy a steam deck