I wish people would also boycott Zuckerberg‘s products and Peter thiel‘s PayPal.
Tesla sales crash continues in Europe, with Germany down 70%
Submitted 3 days ago by btaf45@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://electrek.co/2025/03/05/tesla-tsla-sales-crash-continues-in-europe-with-germany-down-70/
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kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Djfok43@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Aren’t there alternatives to Paypal, like Wise and Revolut?
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 3 days ago
Do you need one?
I recently deleted my PayPal account and use a virtual credit card instead.
So far no issues with paying. In the rare case that credit card is not available you can always pay without account in PayPal via credit card.
LeTak@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Germany tries to make one every two years. The newest one is called Wero/kwitt
Snoopy@piefed.social 3 days ago
And wero from European paiement initiative that regroup all major french and german bank.
Tja@programming.dev 3 days ago
In Europe, sepa transfers are free and instant transfers will be mandatory free from October.
To pay in e-commerce, revolut has unlimited one-use cards, no need for PayPal.
Nightwish76@feddit.uk 3 days ago
Google Pay. Wise and Revolut are money wallet + transfer tools.
FluffyTailSociety@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Ah, I should have read down further. I’ll look those up.
Clanket@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I fully boycott Zuckerberg’s offerings bar WhatsApp coz the bastard bought it out from under us. Fuck him, fuck Meta
ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Agreed, though I don’t think Thiel is involved in Paypal anymore.
kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Yes, you are right, not anymore, I don’t trust it though as it was founded by not only Peter Thiel but also Elon Musk.
PayPal blocks accounts that are politically controversial, such as some alternative media outlets, cryptocurrency platforms, or activists. Also Whistleblower organizations like WikiLeaks have been blocked and their funds frozen.
For these reasons I find a boycott completely justified.
FluffyTailSociety@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Is there a Canadian version of paypal that works the same way? I was searching but couldn’t find one and ever since AI came around my business shrank to almost nothing. Also, other than having an old nearly defunct facebook account, what $ would I be unwittingly giving to Zuckerberg? Serious and naïve question.
kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Why old Facebook accounts still matter:
-Your past likes, groups, comments, and interactions are stored and can still be used for ad profiling or sold as part of larger datasets.
-If you once liked a brand or a political page, that interest could still be factored into long-term data models.
-If you have active friends, their interactions with your old profile (e.g. tagging you in old posts, mentioning you) can still keep your account relevant to Meta’s algorithms.
-Your friends may have synced their contacts with Facebook, meaning your email or phone number could still be in Meta’s database.
-If you’ve ever used “Log in with Facebook” for third-party apps, Meta can see when and where you log in.
-Even if you don’t actively sign in, Facebook cookies might still track you across other websites (depending on your browser settings).
-Advertisers may have access to archived data that gets combined with current trends.
-Your profile might be included in anonymized datasets used for AI training or market analysis.
That made me wonder, in regard to your question, how much meta really makes out of Facebook accounts like yours.
Out of curiosity I asked Mistral how much an inactive Facebook account might generate daily. It estimated $0.005 but noted it could be even lower. Let’s take a careful guess at $0.001.
Ridiculously low, irrelevant, right?
Well, there are 3 billion Facebook users. Let‘s assume Facebook earns $0.001 for each account, each day.
This would be 3 billion times $0.001 which equals $3,000,000. Daily!
Links:
-The [Electronic Frontier Foundation’s analysis](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/facebook-tracking-you-even-if-you-never-had-account-heres-how) of Facebook’s tracking technologies
-[Privacy International’s report](https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/3757/how-facebook-tracks-you-android-even-if-you-dont-have-facebook-app) on how Facebook tracks users across devices
-The [Tracking Exposed project](https://tracking.exposed/facebook/) which documents Facebook’s data collection methods
-[ProPublica’s series on Facebook’s data practices](https://www.propublica.org/series/machine-bias)
-The Washington Post’s [investigation into Facebook’s privacy controls](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/27/facebook-tracking-you/)
-Wired’s coverage of [how Facebook continues tracking after account deactivation](https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-data-tracking-deactivated-account/)
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Not quite but credit cards and Interac e-Transfer.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
PayPal blocked my account in like 2017 or something, never used it again
oyzmo@lemmy.world 3 days ago
If you buy a Tesla now, it says something about you as a person…
Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
I bought a Tesla years ago before Elon completely removed the mask.
No way I’d buy one now, but I also don’t want to sell it early and lose a tonne of money.
The Tesla board should intervene and remove him, but they won’t because he’s stacked it with yes men like his brother.
AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
In your defense, back then they were the only EV that wasn’t useless.
I have hated Tesla since day 1, but even still I had to admit that they had the only decent EV drivetrain.
Blindsite@lemmy.today 3 days ago
If you have the money to buy a Tesla I don’t think you’re someone who cares what people think one way or the other. You don’t need to care about public opinion with that kind of income.
thrawn@lemmy.world 3 days ago
What? A Model 3 starts at 42k (without the tax credit) or 299/mo for a lease. That’s below average for new cars in America, or significantly below average if you qualify for the tax credit. KBB says the average for a new car in December 2024 was nearly 50k.
And sure, not everyone can afford a new car, but very few Tesla buyers are “that kind of income” wealthy.
Aidinthel@reddthat.com 3 days ago
Elon truly is a genius businessman. Letting him run the government is clearly a great idea.
hOrni@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s been said more than once, that Musk isn’t an asset to a company but a liability. Tesla didn’t succeed because of Musk but despite him.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 days ago
I mean he’s become a whole lot richer. Tesla is just a casualty. Why he hasn’t been ousted from the board or sued by investors, I don’t understand.
abfarid@startrek.website 3 days ago
Lemmy, this is the 7th day in a row you’ve shown “Tesla sales down in Europe” news in Top.
Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Feel free to post other good news. I’ll be happy to upvote.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You can filter it out if you want. Whenever I read it I get warm fuzzies. It helps me cope.
abfarid@startrek.website 3 days ago
Doesn’t make my comment not true.
And I don’t filter or block anything or anyone. Rawdogging Lemmy, the way God intended.
1984@lemmy.today 3 days ago
We have this, crap copied from twitter or crap copied from reddit. Take your pick. :)
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 days ago
linux linux foss linux
singletona@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Good.
Say what you will about faceless corps, but toyota won’t send some jackass out a the public face to do sieg hail, and be the gleeful butcher of government programs.
You have to be nestel levels of horrific before it breaks out of the corporate bubble.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I seriously question the mental stability of Tesla shareholders. Why an Earth does that mine still have a job?
I’m not even talking about this recent stuff, I’m talking about all the things he’s been doing for the last few years. It would get any normal person fired.
negativeyoda@lemmy.world 3 days ago
He has family members and toadies on the board
TheBrit@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Gone from the coolest car to the most embarrassing, and these people are supposed to be smart.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
As a publicly traded US company, can’t the board of directors vote Elon out because of tanking sales? Seems like that’s the only way for the company to survive at this point.
Tja@programming.dev 2 days ago
In a normal company they could, but the board are all loyal to him, not the company. Recently they insisted in giving him a 50 BILLION bonus, yes, with B. No chance they will intervene. And putting a puppet CEO like at Twitter won’t have a strong effect either.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 days ago
He’ll still retain his shares. Which is the source of his wealth.
For my money I’m going to throw a goddamn party if this cursed stock hits double digits.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Does that still apply when the CEO is also Emperor of the United States?
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Cause everyone at Tesla is a spineless grifter too.
MyOpinion@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Let’s get it to 90%. We can do it.
redlemace@lemmy.world 3 days ago
go big or go home : 100%
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 3 days ago
You can go to 110% if you burn enough tesla’s
xavier666@lemm.ee 2 days ago
70% is just rookie numbers
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The only creatures that should buy a Tesla are from the fucking AfD.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Lol definitely won’t, they’re super anti-EV after all. I mean, they even want to get rid of all wind power plants. xD
Blooper@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
This is what makes Musk’s B-line towards Nazi stardom so strange to me. Like, did he think Nazis were suddenly going to start buying electric cars? They literally put nuts on their trucks right next to their bumper stickers using homosexual slurs to describe electric vehicles, all while “rolling coal” in front of every Tesla they see on the road.
These are the people you want to market to?
And at the expense of your existing market?nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
This is why I wouldn’t put it past them to try to hide the real sales numbers. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re down 90+ percent and the company is effectively dead already. The board of directors are Elon’s creatures and their personal wealth will depend on keeping the facade (and stock price) up so they aren’t about to cry foul.
Maped@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I live in one of the Eastern countries and surprisingly most tesla owners I see on the street are from Ukraine. We don’t even have developed infrastructure to use that car.
deltapi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Because only rich Ukranians could afford them, and the rich ones fled Ukraine when the war kicked up.
oo1@lemmings.world 2 days ago
And those from the fucking UK apparently.
Very similar though - just waiting for them to elect farage to gut UK public services.
houstoneulers@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And the US tax payer is going to have to foot the bill on it…Elon sucks goldfish dick
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 days ago
I don’t think Elon gives a fuck. He’s tricked everyone he needs to into giving him billions of dollars. He isn’t going to give any of it back. He’s laughed all the way to the bank.
lostbit@feddit.nl 3 days ago
he doesn’t, the american people getting ass fucked in broad daylight
sunfur82@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Feel the same way. He basically has the US Treasury now, and can do whatever he wants with his DOGE, I doubt he cares about Tesla.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t think he has to care, but I think he might. SpaceX and Tesla are the only 2 brands he regularly promotes as he hopes people forget about all the other stolen, idiotic ideas that have failed.
He has mentioned many times in the past how “owning a Tesla is fiscally responsible”. Considering DOGE and falling Tesla sales… it’s only a matter of time until he sees if he can push Tesla as “The American Car” subsidised by tax payers and potentially cheaper then other brands (due to tariffs)… I don’t put it past him to try to take over all the transportation in the country. He’s stopped pretending he isn’t just a super villain a while ago, so going out of our way to ensure that the most “affordable” car is his and cripple the nation further by literally controlling the means of transportation.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 days ago
So? You subsidised him since forever.
Not a peep when he demanded to keep his factories open in full Covid times or plenty more scummy things.
Only when he became a Trumper he was no longer great papa Elon for half of you.houstoneulers@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What makes you think I wasn’t verbally critical of him? I was telling ppl that were praising him that he seemed to virtue signal and seemed shady back in 2017. I was told I was looking too much into it. But in retrospect…
Hejej@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Deliver is not the same as sales. They are also launching a new model this summer so people could just be waiting. I know it’s a great news story, Europe bands together against Musk to show dissatisfaction with American politics, but it may not be true. If someone could find Tesla reports that delivers are far lower than expected I will change my mind.
I wanted to find their predictions for production in Q1 2025 to see if they planned for less deliveries before all this Musk hit the news cycle. The closed I got as 2024 Q2 production numbers. ir.tesla.com/…/tesla-vehicle-production-deliverie…
Obelix@feddit.org 2 days ago
I mean… why wouldn’t all that is happening not have a effect on sales? Musk is the face of Tesla and Musks image has totally gone downhill for lots of people. He’s gone from “techbro genius” to “fascist” in a few months (!) in the public image and there is really not reason to doubt, that this won’t have an effect on sales.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah I’ll believe it when I see the trend last more than a month or 2
pls@lemmy.plaureano.nohost.me 2 days ago
Good. 30% left to go.
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Tesla is a meme stock in the disguise of a car company. It being down 30% means little, if anything volatility is good for big market players. Allows them to fleece more people. In a month Trump will announce a big tesla contract and it’ll go back up.
Or so I tell myself because pessimism is easier to live with.
tonytins@pawb.social 3 days ago
Brings a tear of joy.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Beautiful news.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Well I don’t want to celebrate in advance, Model Y facelift just released, let’s hope this trend continues and doesn’t show a reversal.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
My heart pumps purple piss for fElon.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 days ago
They are on track to be worth less than BYD, the two will likely cross over quite soon.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Next, space x?
ringo32@lemmy.world 2 days ago
In shorttime growth in a billion company…this is poisioness for tesla…elon all te blame…reminder of history is bad this company must be wiped out
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
pntha@lemmy.world 3 days ago
the UK being the only growth market speaks volumes
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Not really. The UK is very anti-Musk.
Ireland and the UK being the only ones to grow is likely due to the way Tesla delivers Right-Hand Drive cars - they deliver them as one large batch each quarter rather than constantly trickling them out like LHD cars.
If you look at UK and Irish sales figures across multiple months, they swing between being up and down, depending on when RHD shipments come. Overall Tesla is down (and the UK even before Musk’s recent actions bought far fewer Tesla cars than France or Germany)
takeda@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Each time I see a new article about drop in sales, the percentage is higher. I love it.
rhombus@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I keep thinking it’s same article being reposted before noticing the drop is 10-15% greater than the last time I saw it. I hope he’s kicked from Europe entirely.
cabbage@piefed.social 3 days ago
I think it's the first time in my life I routinely check in on the stock value of a company, and it's pure Schadenfreude.
Blooper@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
Trump media stock was fun to watch too up until he won. I mean it’s still going to crash and burn, but the election bought him some time.