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• bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Funnily enough we try to cultivate everything we like, so in a roundabout way they were successful.

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  • tetris11@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think the book Sapiens makes the point that wheat has trained us into cultivating it for selfish needs.

    (Except that it’s wheat, and that we annihilated 99% of its brethren to pick out the one that we liked so we could effectively clone it. But yes, we are the slaves…)

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    • jballs@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sapiens and Homo Deus are both such good books. Lots of little anecdotes like that we’re just so fascinating.

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think that’s basically what The Botany of Desire is about, right?

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I guess… If you consider factory farmed chickens to be “successful.”

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• Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nicotine, THC, and cocaine are also insecticides. And psilocybin might be an insect repellent.

  Thanks poison!

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  • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Drugs - natures mosquito repellant

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mosquitoes are such squares!

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    • rooroo@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So that’s the reason I’m not stung as badly as my friends!

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  • SuperIce@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Capsaicin is a fungicide, which is extremely useful in the environments where spicy peppers grow.

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• VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The best bit about the mint and chocolate thing is that chocolate is also poison, so we spice up our poison with more poison.

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• Reggie@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All valid Points. But also, humans: i will care for this plant and create huge fields where you can live prosper and in peace. We kill everything who comes near you and try to harm you. And we will ensure you will live forever. You dont need birds who shit your seeds out.

  Those plants domesticared us!

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  • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also humans: we will breed you until your fruit no longer bears seed, because we decide when and how you reproduce

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sidenote: monocultures are devastating, long-term.

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  • bamfic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Botany of desire

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• cybervseas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Basically humans will have sex with you, eat you, or make you a pet.

  Sometimes more than one.

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  • BlueLineBae@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t forget we wear them also…

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• Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Would aliens actually be weirded out by this quality of humans?

  I feel like any sufficiently intelligent species living on a planet will have some degree of biodiversity on said planet. And the chances of something being made to be a poison/deterrent for creatures other than the intelligent species is probably a large one, because it’s pretty hard for plants and animals to make a poison/deterrent that kills everything without also killing itself. So if there is a gap for itself, there is a gap for other life to coexist with the toxin.

  So I’d think it would be pretty natural for intelligent life to eat things that are harmful to huge swaths of other creatures.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Works best with the Earth-is-a-deathworld trope

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    • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Level 12 Deathworld.

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  • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is kinda weird that humans are so resilient to so many things though. It’s part of being scavenging omnivores, but alients with a more specialized diet might be weirded out.

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    • P00ptart@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dogs can eat rotting meat and lick unwashed balls and ass but die from fucking grapes. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Potentially. But think of it this way, there are somewhere around 400,000 plant species out there.

      news.mongabay.com/…/many-plants-world-scientists-…

      Based on this list, something on the order of like 99.5% of plants are either not safe, or not useful/beneficial. If other species on our planet share a similar rate without complete overlap, then it’s practically a guarantee that there will be thousands of plants that are safe and useful for us but not for other species. That doesn’t feel particularly strange or unlikely. So even with a specialized diet, I don’t think the numbers would be much different.

      It also could be the case that being scavenging omnivores is a strong precursor to becoming intelligent. If your species is on the rise in terms of intelligence, you’re probably using that to expand your food sources wide and far.

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For mammals we are, sure, but there’s loads of things that’d kill humans that other animals chow down on perfectly happily, especially when it comes to microorganisms, mushrooms and the rotting things they’re often found in/around

      I don’t think scavenging is right also given that, humans used to mainly pick fresh fruits and persistence hunt, both of which are very fresh food which is not overlooked or left by others

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    • toynbee@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I know it’s just a typo, but the image “alients” conjured in my head is pretty funny. I have less than zero artistic talent or I’d share it with you all. Hopefully the mental image is enough.

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  • whotookkarl@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If we were the aliens and came across two worlds inhabited by intelligent life I would probably be more weirded out by the one where nobody uses any mind altering substance like caffeine that are poisonous to other animals.

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• loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Somerimes, when a fruit or seed isn’t toxic enough for our taste, we make it liquid then make it ferment or age until some of it’s sugar turns into the deliciously neurotoxic ethanol.

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  • Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Hmm tastes good but could taste a bit closer to death.”

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• Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Don’t forget…

  Yeast: oh man I love sugars so much, I just wish they didn’t make me shit so bad.

  Humans: dude this stuff is fucking awesome!

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  • psud@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeast in sugar is going: I’ll just convert this to poison (ethanol) to keep everything away, then whenever I’m hungry I’ll break that poison into acid

    Humans: hold my… Wait a minute let’s make beer!

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    • DillyDaily@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And if my yeasty poison goes bad, I’ll just pour it over some poisonous leaves, I love salad.

      Don’t forget to season it with minerals you chipped off a rock in a dried out lake bed.

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• MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I evolutionary terms being edible to humans is quite useful.

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  • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It worked for chickens…

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    • MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Chickens are the most numerous bird on the planet, wheat covers more land area than any other plant.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doubt. Look what will happen with our bred plants and animals, if humans aren’t around anymore.

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  • TheChemist@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because humans feel encouraged to further protect that plant against pests.

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    • MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As well as spreading and planting seeds, clearing competing plants, and providing water and nutrients.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They just want to propagate. The best chance a plant has to do that is by being tasty to humans so we cultivate them.

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  TBF, life’s objective is to reproduce and keep its genetic materials continuing on. Even if humans propagate and consume said plant because they find it desirable, that is still a success for the plant. So even if it has toxic caffeine or fiery capsaicin to deter some pests and humans find it enjoyable, the plant wins.

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  • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Especially since many of the plants die after 1 year anyway so it’s not even like we shorten their lives anyway.

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• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Caffeine is poisonous to us too. It’s generally not possible for a healthy person to drink enough coffee to die, but they sell pure caffeine (for research) and even seemingly small amounts of that will kill a person.

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  • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can buy 200mg pure anhydrous caffeine pills at Walmart for like $5. It’s abundant and as safe as coffee if you don’t go nuts. The max daily recommended dose is 400mg, anything past that could cause harm

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Rhubarb: most of me is poison. The rest of me is kind of bitter.

  Humans: Hold my pie crust.

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  • Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Rhubarb crumble is legitimately delicious though.

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Strawberry rhubarb :)

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  • Skydancer@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Polk salet, anybody?

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• Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People who have accidentally eaten death cap mushrooms (amanita phalloides for the autists out there) say that it’s fucking delicious (before their liver shuts down). Rabbits can eat them without problems. So if we use rabbit genes, we can crispr cas 9 our way to a good meal.

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  • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not sure if the article is legit, but there is hope for an antidote: scientificamerican.com/…/worlds-deadliest-mushroo…

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think we even need to do that, just extract the poison shit from the mushrooms and eat them poisonless?

    Or determine what chemical (or combination of chemicals) is causing the delicious flavor, isolate them, and then add them to tofu or some shit.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Let’s gooo

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• daddy32@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What does anyone have against “u”, fucking fuck?

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  • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Americans have been trying to eliminate the letter"u" for centuries.

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    • Letstakealook@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No u

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• ShortFuse@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Aliens would extract out bile and earwax.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My previous bodily fluids!!

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    • SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Rain water and grain alcohol for me

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• Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is they plant that’s made into cocaine in this same category?

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Listing the manufacturing steps needed to get cocaine from plant into a wall street trader nose is mind blowing

    Step	Chemicals Used
    Harvesting Coca Leaves	N/A
    Soaking in Solvents	Gasoline, Kerosene, Diesel Fuel, Water
    Alkaline Treatment	Sodium Carbonate, Lime
    First Filtration	N/A
    Acidification (Coca Paste)	Sulfuric Acid
    Evaporation	N/A
    Further Alkaline Treatment	Ammonia, Sodium Bicarbonate
    Solvent Extraction	Ether, Acetone, Kerosene
    Precipitation	Hydrochloric Acid
    Oxidation (Purification)	Potassium Permanganate
    Conversion to Cocaine HCl	Hydrochloric Acid
    Drying	N/A
    Cutting/Adulteration	Baking Soda, Sugars, Levamisole, etc.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And that doesn’t say how many coca leaves it takes. Which is a whole shitload.

      I once had coca leaf tea (mate de coca). Obviously a fraction of the strength of cocaine. I did not care for the taste, sort of like damp straw, but the effect was so much better than caffeine. Total alertness without a jittery feeling and it wears off after 3 or 4 hours.

      Honestly, if they could do something about the taste, I’d find ways to import it.

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• someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Poppies kill things?

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  • 1024_Kibibytes@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Heroin, opium and morphine are derived from poppies. Too much of any narcotic and you die

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Onion and leek to btw. And unripe tomato.

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• repungnant_canary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sooo actually why land mammals can’t filter out salt from seawater?

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  • Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Actually if you are on a raft with a limited amount of fresh water, you can mix in some sea water to stretch it out a bit. I think if you use a third seawater its ok, but don’t quote me on that.

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    • Deepus@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Erm, if im on a raft im gonna be quoting you so you better be right.

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    • repungnant_canary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      PSA: if you’re on a remote island or dysfunctional yet floating ship do not abandon it unless truly necessary - raft will be always more dangerous

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• Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Obligatory symbiosis is a sexy, sexy vehicle for propagation.

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• UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hot peppers anyone?

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• pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  She looks so familiar, who is this? Is this from Veep?

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  • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Julia-Louis Dreyfuss.

    • Elaine from Seinfeld
    • Veep
    • Some character in the MCU

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      She was also on SNL.

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• Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ll just leave this here.

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• SteveXVII@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Related post

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• JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just imagine how many of these were first consumed on a drunken bet.

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• Nagarath@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Isn’t the flavour of cocoa also originally a pesticidal chemical lol

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• Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What’s the bottom imagine from?

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• Jumi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  HFY vibes

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• Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Completely unrelated but JLD is so freakin’ gorgeous in this pic.

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• GraniteM@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Colorado River toad:

  Humanity: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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