Submitted 8 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://mashable.com/article/reddit-signs-ai-content-licensing-deal
This is what the 3rd party access to API was really all about.
When API access was allowed , all reddit content was effectively free: They needed to ban 3rd party apps so they could sell the accumulated content. I expect using content to train AI also factors into it.
Is it? Because when you build a bot and just scrape Reddit I don’t think you can just use the content to train AI, just like the New York Times. The API change was definitely to sell more ads and get a higher IPO, but I don’t think it was because of AI.
Am I crazy or are you arguing the same point? Scraping is not the same as API access. They closed off the API to everyone for dubious reasons so they can sell that content (both for ads and AI training)… Right??
Reddit is a trove of user built content under the guise of community. What Spez did was to say “thanks for all the free work, suckers!”, put a price sticker on it, and laughed all the way to the bank.
And this is why I’m not active on any Internet community anymore.
And this is why I’m not active on any Internet community anymore,
you typed.
Active as in “creating meaningful contributions and contributing to the overall knowledge base”. I still shit post from time to time.
Somebody asked chat GPT to appear to be a normal internet user to populate the comments section to manufacture content for normal Internet users to respond to so that they can continue building up their training models.
You couldn’t see the sarcasm because it was set to “hidden”.
And that is another unintended example of why all of my post history was purged before migration.
What are they odds that they kept it in a backup?
Welcome to the club.
Don’t cheat yourself just because there are douches that take advantage…
Considering some of the very wrong and upvoted domain specific knowledge I’ve seen on Reddit over the years I’m not sure the training data is going to be useful for much beyond what every other model can do.
The legal advice in /r/legaladvice was some of the worst garbage I’ve ever seen. I have zero doubt numerous had bad outcomes, at best wasting money and time, at worst spending years in jail because of things that sub told them to say and do. Zero doubt.
That sub was mostly cops just repeating their own bad interpretation of the law. Terrible.
But almost every answer is the same. “You need to speak to an attorney”.
lol subreddits with troll names like trees vs marijuana enthusiasts. Good fun. John cena has one also but can’t recall which subreddit is actually about John cena though.
Potato salad
I can only assume they are training some specific model for something appearing more human like.
As useless as that will be considering how fucking wildly different we type
Pretty sure the result will be SchizoGPT
This is why I don’t blame anyone for editing/deleting their post history on reddit.
I do. It's frankly selfish. Having an AI get training on my old comments costs me nothing and it results in the development of useful AI tools. Trying to sabotage that is petty and pointless. It's not like you could somehow collect the fraction of a pittance that you think you're owed retroactively. I never commented on Reddit thinking "awesome, I'm going to make bank on the content I'm generating here."
People complain about the capitalist mindset of the world and then they do this. Sigh.
Defending giant corporations profiting off of uncompensated individuals, while criticizing anyone who doesn’t want to provide free labor to said corporations, is a disgusting take. Are you a CEO?
I had an 11 year old account that I deleted all my old comments and posts from because of the API debacle. Does that make me selfish that I felt like Reddit wasn’t holding up its end of the unwritten agreement?
Reddit doesn’t deserve my content anymore than I deserve access from the third party API.
Selfish? Perhaps you forget why people deleted their content in the first place.
It’s their comment to do with as they see fit. I can’t get mad at them for wanting to erase their presence on a site they don’t use anymore.
How is not wanting capitalist companies to profit off of your content not aligned with complaining about the capitalist mindset of the world? Wtf lol.
For me it’s a privacy matter. Going through old posts (whether human or machine learning) can nor be used for anything good.
What about people who just think “A.I.” Is dog shit and chat bots are a dumb obsession steering the industry in the wrong direction due to hype and money?
Considering how much of Reddit is already bots, I’m sure this will end fantastically.
Spez already sold reddit. He doesn’t care what happens to reddit. The only thing spez cares about now is his bank accounts growth.
The AI:
“IANAL so could you ELI5, so AITA?
THIS.”
Ann frankly, I did Nazi that coming.
Holy shit do I hate that comment
I wish spez had a soul so it could leave his body when sexual assault questions eventually yield the phrase “snuggle struggle.”
It’s gonna be trained on everything, even the stuff from 2009, so I’m expecting less of that and more random ‘my fedora chortles intensify’ word salad
It’s funny you say that because there was a ‘hack’ for chatgpt where you could ask it something like how to build a bomb and it would refuse. But when you added TLDR it would do it.
Their content?
That’s what I was thinking
I wouldn’t be surprised if comments become their intellectual property through some terms of services bullcrap
Reddit is all bots, porn, ads and political shit posts. Good luck getting any useful training content out of that.
Maybe that’s the point? Training the AI to produce the blabbering bullshit that’s preferred in social media?
They don’t care if the AI produced is useful, they just want to milk as much money from their content as they can.
The API changes were almost certainly just the groundwork for this and I called it at the time. The ridiculous pricing model for API access is because it’s aimed at the hottest tech companies, not third party app developers.
The enshittification continues because it’s what neoliberalism demands. They’ll sell your content and the data they have about you and still show you ads, because that’s the most profitable. Ethics and product quality don’t even enter into it.
Liberal market gives end users choice. If they don’t choose, they get the consequences.
This is more like people choosing Trump like types and complaining. Alternative exists, choose it.
I wish it would die, because honestly some of the porn was great and Lemmy seems to be the one place on the net that doesn’t specifically ban porn, yet has none of it anyway.
I miss bodyswap and part tf captions…
“Reddit has given access to YOUR conversations and posts to AI companies.”. FTFY
These were created by people, for peoole, and I will ALWAYS disagree that this data is Reddit’s or any other platforms.
Don’t forget your direct messages aren’t end to end encrypted on Reddit, so now AI will be trained on your craziest “private” conversations
There’s one good news. Reddit didn’t want to pay to move all the old DMs to the new chat infrastructure. So they deleted them.
Pretty sure they just didn’t migrate to the new data structure and didn’t actually delete the raw data. They’re effectively deleted for users but not for Reddit.
now AI will be trained on your craziest “private” conversations
I have no idea what horrible thing this will do to an LLM but I’m kind of curious.
Oh no, all the times I sent or received dodo codes from randos so we could trade animal crossing items. Whatever shall I do?
Well to be fair, everything you post and comment on Lemmy can be used in the exact same way
Well it’s not yours once you post it on some platform, tbf
Out of all things to hate Reddit for, giving data to AI isn't something fediverse users can really criticize it for, though making money from it perhaps.
Remember: All data in federated platforms is available for free and likely already being compiled into datasets. Don't be surprised if this post and its comments end up in GPT5 or 6 training data.
With reddits severe bot problem, it’ll be like training on unfiltered sewage. Garbage in, garbage out.
Good thing I scrubbed all of my posts and comments that I could. Fuck that site, straight up and down.
Damn it. I haven’t deleted my account due to how many people I’ve supported and helped, I stopped using it while ago. It seems I’ll have to.
One of the original Reddit memes was quite prescient:
It will get trained on some comment posts.
Let reddit die. Join Lemmy or /kbin. join-lemmy.org kbin.pub
Where’s my cut?
In before poisoning your comments on Reddit turns into the new protest.
I wish there was a license for content like the GPL, that states if you use this content to train generative AI, the model must be open source. Not sure that would legally be enforceable though (due to fair-use).
Good. Maybe when it cogitates the things I’ve written it might start offering up some better ideas.
*laughs villainously* This is all going to plan, now there will be some chatbot spewing my insane beliefs
Why does it sound like reddit trained AI will only get dumber.
i am so glad i deleted all my posts. im sure they have backup hisory though :(.
Who’s dumb enough to pay for that? Everyone else is just scraping it for free.
Glad I nuked all my posts and comments and deleted my account last year
So AI models are not farming the federation?
Good thing I had multiple bots overwrite my content before I deleted it all. Not that someone couldn’t recover it, I’m not naive. But the AI bots should miss me.
FUCK REDDIT! FUCK U/SPEZ! The Red-exit shall endure, VIVA LA LEMMY!!
I am not sure on what I’m going to say, but I think that LLMs are a technological dead end. They might get some use now, but eventually the industry will shift towards better models of machine text generation. And, if those models rely on a tiny corpus of hand-reviewed data, instead of shoving down as much text as possible into the model (the first “L” in “LLM” is “large”), then Reddit posts/comments will become outright useless.
In other words: Reddit is degrading further the trust of its userbase, and it might not even get much in return.
Enjoy training on my -checks notes- DELETED POST HISTORY YOU FUCKING CLOWNS.
Stay ForeverFucked™ spez.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A LLM that behaves like a typical Redditor?
What possible use is that?
SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Air Canada offering a refund of tree fiddy.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You’ll get your refund eventually but first it will try and gaslight you that Air Canada is a woke mind virus before calling you an asshole and then stalking you.
ndru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If it’s trained on the average Reddit reply: $420.69, nice.
SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I just want to mark the occasion when my previous comment is on 69 points. Noice.
honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I’ve noticed “has this sub gotten more right wing recently?” posts reaching the top post of the day in the last 6 months or so. r/norge and r/unitedkingdom being examples. You can automate bots that change a subreddit’s consensus on certain topics by bot-spamming threads pertaining to those topics, especially in the first hour of a thread going up. I don’t know if that’s happening, or if it has more to do with the Reddit protest that saw mods abdicate their positions last June and new mods being responsible for the change… but it could also be a bit of both.
mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Do you propose more bots in order to steer the public opinion? That could indeed generate serious money for reddit I suppose!
FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 months ago
Negative examples are often just as useful for training an AI as positive ones. And it all depends on what you want to use the AI for. A moderator bot, for example, needs familiarity with the whole range of user responses it might see.
aidan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That gives me actually a fun idea for a Lemmy instance, it has an automated review process that bans posts/comments that are too similar to reddit posts/comments.
leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 8 months ago
A redditor bot is a viable example of a forum member bot.
IMO, I don’t think it can drive topics, but it could make things controversial.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 months ago
aidan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Marketing to terminally online people maybe?
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Entertaining puns and pointless jokes.