Switch to Linux!
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Muscle memory abuse
Microsoft in their infinite wisdom has replaced the Hide Desktop icon with Copilot.
Submitted 8 months ago by AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 8 months ago
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
That’s what made me refuse to use the Reddit official app before their API garbage. Every update was a gamble as to whether they’d try to make me spend money through muscle memory.
GluWu@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 8 months ago
10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.
Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.
Allero@lemmy.today 8 months ago
Thanks for your contribution to the Linux ecosystem!
It’s people like you who make this whole thing possible
Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.
GluWu@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yes, I’m a long time mint user, and I was also a 1st batch steamdeck so I’ve seen how far just proton has come. There’s still a handful of games that just won’t work, work but not with the mods I need, or take a performance hit. I also have a driving simulator with a VR headset. I’m sure I could get it running on Linux eventually but windows just does it. Recognizes and just installed the drivers for all my hardware. And for VR, there are now a lot of solutions, but I’ve found windows to just be the fastest and best performing. I need every frame I can get running vr on a 2060.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.
Fal@yiffit.net 8 months ago
Gnome is awful. It’s almost as bad as windows. Basically 0 customization, and getting worse every release. I can’t even fathom how you would voluntarily switch from plasma to gnome and not immediately switch back
Granixo@feddit.cl 8 months ago
Didin’t Linux had FreeCAD?
GluWu@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yes, and you shit has it come so far. Unfortunately in the professional world you often just need the native program to open the file. Even just for compatability, but rolling back and/or modifying is only possible within its native software.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
FreeCAD…is getting there. They’re actually heading toward a 1.0 release, and bringing usability and convenience features. I’d say by 2025 it’ll be a better value proposition than the “Free non-commerical use drawbackware” tier offerings from Onshape or Fusion360.
Mango@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ubuntu used to be animals!
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It still is. There’s an animal “codename” and a number for all versions.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
dojan@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I genuinely do not get the hype of integrating LLMs fucking everywhere. There are places it makes sense, like word processors and email clients. Then there are places it doesn’t make sense, like as an aside in my desktop environment. No one’s going to use it. It’s Cortana all over again.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s nothing but trend chasing, just like when microdick turned their server UIs into tablet UIs because they were seething at apple for the ipad.
ferralcat@monyet.cc 8 months ago
I get putting it here but it should probably just be in the normal search. Search is shit on every os in general. LLM could theoretically help it find actually relevant stuff (and filter out the kink it usually surfaces).
NoFun4You@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Except I used Cortana all the time on my windows phone before they trashed that idea
histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I don’t wanna defend Microsoft here cause yk fuck them but I’ma guess most people didn’t even know the show desktop was there tbh or if they did use it but then again I’ve never understood why it was there I never use it
Vejezdigna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hide desktop is useful if you have many non-minimized windows and you don’t want to minimize each one. I can vouch for that button 😎.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I’ve known it was there but never used it.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
To be fair it’s not like there’s an icon showing what it does. Maybe it should have? I haven’t had issues with overcrowded task bars since Windows XP.
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not enshitification, cause they’re not jacking up the price to put Show Desktop back. Just bad UI.
Engywuck@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 months ago
“Microsoft continually makes their OS worse, but every time they do, Linux users come into the comment section telling me I should switch, so I’m not going to.”
Engywuck@lemm.ee 8 months ago
People don’t switch just because of some minor inconvenience (as if Linux didn’t have any) and outside of Lemmy/the Fediverse echo chamber very few people are concerned about privacy. They will switch (maybe) if the new tool works better for them than tge previous tool. Otherwise, why should they bother. Linux is my primary OS since many years, but it isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
The thing is, is that it really doesn’t affect people in the way you guys seem to imagine.
I’ve used Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Currently use Windows for work as a C# . net, SQL / GraphQL, and React TypeScript developer and although I was shocked they’re all pro windows, coming from MacOS. Once you get used to it you don’t really notice the shit stuff as you just do what you’re doing.
I would still rate my experiences in this order though: MacOS, Linux, Windows. Best to worst, but like I said even though in now use the worst in my opinion it really doesn’t have much of an impact. Plus if I were to use Linux I’d need to geek out and waste so much time configuring it and I’m past that stage.
TheFonz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Get AutoCAD on Linux and I’m there buddy. Some of us need to work.
kronarbob@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Maybe they are not Linux users, maybe they are Microsoft employees trying to keep you on Windows by making Linux users look obnoxious.
Contend6248@feddit.de 8 months ago
I for one enjoy salty Microsoft tears, just makes me feel better with my joice completely ditching them.
Keep 'em coming.
Drummyralf@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly. As a musician many paid music plugins simply don’t work on Linux because of all the installers attached to them. Also, I design with the Adobe suite for my work, also not viable on Linux (I believe?). I would love to use Linux, but for my needs it’s simply a no go.This is what annoys me about all the “just use linux” comments. There are usecases where it’s simply not an option.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I’ve gotten every single Windows VST I’ve used working on Linux with WINE. Some of them require extra work (Serum and anything needing Native Access specifically), but they still work.
I’ve also tried both Ableton and FL Studio in WINE, and they both work fine as well.
GoOnASteamTrain@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Agreed, not just plugins its also Ableton Live for me! There is nothing that scratches that for me, bitwig does look promising eventually though. :)
Then on top of that wanting to develop games without learning another game engine (I’m far in and can’t change engine without starting again)
And I wanna play Baldurs Gate 3 again dammit! (To be fair I think that might work and haven’t looked) :) .
I used Linux for 5 years and loved it, have a pi and a degoogled Foss phone as much as possible. I am an ally to it all, but have usecases which dictate Windows … I think it’s not unreasonable to want something to get better without binning 70℅ of why I use my computer. :)
index@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’m gonna keep eating unhealthy food in large quantities, nobody should tell me what to do or what works for me…
Engywuck@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Hey, just keep doing whatever you want. Just rest assured that virtually everybody is going to ignore you.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 8 months ago
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.
But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.
HKayn@dormi.zone 8 months ago
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”
This is what you guys are like.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.
mriormro@lemmy.world 8 months ago
‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
CustodialTeapot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Will maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is completely switching operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
HKayn@dormi.zone 8 months ago
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.
I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Lol holy persecution complex, batman… This is a thread shitting on Windows.
uSpetzWon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
merdaverse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
realitista@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Install this., you will thank me later.
Breve@pawb.social 8 months ago
Everyone: Don’t say anything sensitive or personal to an AI because it could end up in training data!
Microsoft: We’re making it easier to feed everything you do on your computer to an AI from notepad to your desktop!
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ohlaph@lemmy.world 8 months ago
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ElcaineVolta@kbin.social 8 months ago
just switched to Linux for the first time this week!
Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
… You guys might shit on it, but that’s incredibly smart on their part. Ten years or more of that button being there and now suddenly something else replaces it, just imagine the amount of people accidentally hitting the button and being introduced to copilot. This was a very deliberate change.
Defaced@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
Dr_Satan@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Linux. You’ll be glad you did.
Jerkingass@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Windows Key+D
Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.
Aatube@kbin.social 8 months ago
You can still re-enable it in the taskbar settings. Personally I like asking an AI to do stuff, so I like the Copilot icon in my taskbar, BUT NOT ON THE FREAKING BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER GODDAMMIT
learningduck@programming.dev 8 months ago
Just press windows+d bro.
I forgot that the button exists.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Maybe stop telling people what OS to use? Even if I would have ever considered switching to linux, its users are so god damn annoying that I would never do so now
taanegl@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Im so glad i moved away from windows ages ago.
Kawi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m so glad I switched to linux
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Typical capitalist race to the bottom to appease investors with short term decision making
Resol@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Penguin lovers, assemble.
Soggytoast@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Windows 11 offers nothing better than Windows 10, but there’s a few key things that don’t work as good/bugged on win11 for me. Should have not updated I think
Squizzy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is this just a new Cortana?
Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sorry about all the dorks here. You spotted a problem and proposed a solution and rather than propose better solutions people are just bitching about the suggested solution without offering better ideas.
13617@lemmy.world 8 months ago
LMAO?? HOW TO GET ME TO NEVER USE IT
otter@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I guess they figured out where people clicked a lot and put the button there?
Looking forward to the Google search trends for “disable copilot”
paddirn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Clippy never went away, he’s just been evolving this whole time into something more and more annoying with each new iteration.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Win+d, I wasn’t even aware there was an icon for it. If it’s not the date, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, or VPN, I’m all keys
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
It’s too bad that the year of the linux desktop has been so long in the coming. Because now, it really is far superior to windows. Bluetooth, printers, and games even “just work” these days.
/shrug
MarcRnt@feddit.de 8 months ago
I’ve already switched to Linux partially. My PC now dual boots to Manjaro and Windows. I won’t switch completely, but it’s great to have such an awesome alternative right there one click of a button away. And the funny thing is that I’m not even the only one amongst my friends to do that. We are now three already and we even game on Linux too.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 months ago
I must admit, "Linux becomes the refuge of luddites" was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
ekky@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 months ago
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it's really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it's even more petty.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.
mriormro@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don’t care about this sort of shit and it’s the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 months ago
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
radamant@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 8 months ago
friendly reminder that theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-on…
FaceDeer@kbin.social 8 months ago
That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for "neo-Luddites" anyway. I don't find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.