Switch to Linux!
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I can’t run a lot of games with anti-cheat on Linux, so it’s not viable for me.
Microsoft in their infinite wisdom has replaced the Hide Desktop icon with Copilot.
Submitted 9 months ago by AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
woodenskewer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m wine inept so it’s not viable for me either. I spent a total of 4 to 6 weekends trying to get shit to work. I just can’t get it right.
Breve@pawb.social 9 months ago
I just made the switch and Steam with Proton has been really smooth, they’ve made a lot of progress to make it easy since the Steam Deck has come out. I don’t play any online competitive games that use anti-cheat though.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I just recently tried a game running with proton (which i understand is wine with extras). I was really impressed cause i download it and it was just running. Maybe i got lucky or it was just the game (valheim).
My only big trouble with all of this is the hardware management, not having access to software like adrenaline gives me a bad feeling. I ran the game steadily with the GPU at around 60°C, but certain situations, and specially the “start up” produced peaks of 90°C in really small time windows. Thats holding me for now.
As I understand, valheim has a linux native version but i wamted to try proton after all.
DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 9 months ago
so… where’s the hide button?
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Taskbar settings.
NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 9 months ago
There’s no longer a mouse shortcut?
cholesterol@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Is that a default-ish tray these days? It looks like a complete mess.
darganon@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s windows security center, Everything search, locales, sound settings, time, copilot, surely not that bad.
Everything is installed by the user, not sure why the locales are there, but maybe he swaps keyboard layouts?
PreciousPig@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Locales are basically impossible to permanently remove. It always keeps popping back after disabling it and the option to hide it is always buried deeper and deeper with every Windows update. I have Windows set to another language than my kb and never swap kb-layout. Doesn’t mean i want to waste taskbar space with the locale-icon 🤬
AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 9 months ago
The ENG US is only shown if the user has multiple languages. As for the icons to the left of that, the user has manually chosen to always show them instead of having them in the overflow area. So it is a bit cleaner by default.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 9 months ago
You can just turn that off. You know that, right?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Windows has overtaken Linux in the “requires customization” department
theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 9 months ago
Honestly, stock KDE is pretty nice, i barely change a thing and feel right at home.
RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I spent hours the other day uninstalling adware from my laptop after reinstalling windows on it. It’s ridiculous.
Contend6248@feddit.de 9 months ago
See you next update 🎉
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Actually, those of us who hid it the first time it appeared didn’t see this change. It’s been disabled the whole time.
fhqwgads@possumpat.io 9 months ago
I would be annoyed but does anyone actually use the show desktop button?
Granixo@feddit.cl 9 months ago
YES
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 9 months ago
I honestly can’t remember the last time I looked at mine. I just tap the windows key and type the first few letters of what I want to open.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Apparently so since you’re getting downvoted by all the Linux fan boys that show up to every Microsoft thread.
I’ve never personally used it and can’t think of a good use case for it either.
skeeter_dave@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Ahh yes, it’s the linux fan boys who are upset about a feature being removed in Windows.
iAmTheTot@kbin.social 9 months ago
Come on, fhqwgads.
Holzkohlen@feddit.de 9 months ago
Please stop. This is getting me depressed and I don’t even use Windows.
emmie@lemmy.world 9 months ago
macOS here yay long gone from windows
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’ve tried Mac a few times, even had to use it in a job. I can’t make myself like the UI. It’s unintuitive and obtuse. And I can’t stand the walled garden.
ferralcat@monyet.cc 9 months ago
I will never understand how anyone can take the osx dock and menubar seriously. They’re both just objectively awful uz
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Listen, the only reason I hate the Mac OS interface is the only reason you think it’s sooo good – we’re both used to what we use most frequently. The mac OS interface is, to me, borderline unusable. The stunning amount of wasted space when a window isn’t maximized and that godawful minimizing/maximizing start bar bullshit are impossible.
Mac is just as bad as windows, but trades being even more restricted and uncustomizable for increased privacy and hardware optimization.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
These threads are exhausting. You can easily turn this off. I didn’t even have to look up how, I right clicked the task bar weeks ago and just disabled it. I didn’t notice it move because it had been off this whole time.
But sure… The ONLY solution is to ditch Windows.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Sure, but how many “easily changed things” do you need for the camel’s back to break?
I feel like I constantly hear of tiny little things that get worse in windows. Sure, maybe each individually is not a big deal, but it all is just forever added on, constantly creating a slightly worse user experience.
In the end, windows is not follow a very user-friendly/user-centric design.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 9 months ago
That’s basically what it was for me. For many years I’ve had a folder saved on my computer called “registry tweaks”, in which I’ve maintained a growing list of notes about all the settings and registry edits and other cruft I have to change to make Window less-shit. (Most of it is about the registry, but not all.)
That list of tweaks just kept getting longer; but there was also a growing set of things that were bad and unfixable; (various nags, and surveillance / telemetry etc.) . No one thing was intolerable, but as a whole - it just isn’t worth it any more. It’s easier to learn to use an entirely new OS than to continue to wrestle with the enshitification of Windows.
ferralcat@monyet.cc 9 months ago
Are you insinuating Linux (or osx for that matter) is well known for shipping well loved defaults?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 months ago
They replaced one button I never used with another button I’ll never use. Oh no.
randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I’m trying to move to Linux! I game on a custom built chimera OS computer using an AMD GPU. I’ve been using a MacBook Pro as a life raft. I still need windows for work.
I’ve considered once 24H2 Windows 11 release comes out that I would try to customize that image and keep it like an LTSC but I heard about some read only registry components that are going to make that very difficult. I’ll just kick around on Win 10 LTSC for anything that I can’t get rid of until it’s no longer useful.
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The solution that worked for me was dual booting, and using the windows boot only for work. In time I’ve figured out how to transfer most of my work to be on Linux.
nexussapphire@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Yeah, it’s tough switching over but worth it IMO. It cuts twice as deep when you build a custom PC, buy a legitimate copy of windows full price just for stuff like this to happen. I even paid twice because I built my mother a pc.
Surprisingly she asked me to switch her over to Linux after seeing me play games on it. She would always call me up Everytime Microsoft popped up a full screen and trying to sell office 365 and getting her to agree to new privacy settings.
Almost everything she does is online, email, personal accounting in a spreadsheet, using the printer, and some gaming. The hardest part for her was relearning the small stuff like scanning documents and learning which one was her email app. It runs the sims 4 and an ancient game called wizards101 just fine.
The funny thing is I warned her it’s not a smooth transition verified multiple times before switching and encouraged her try it on her laptop for about a week or so before switching her main computer. She went through with it though and started to really love it once she figured out the main stuff.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Have you considered using Windows in a VM? I currently don’t have any reason to use Windows, but if I had to again, that would be my first approach.
randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I have tried (story option below):
Currently virtualization for the desktop, even though that is in fact the future, there are many issues at the moment. For instance, graphics are holding me back.
Wendell on level 1 techs has plenty of these videos and there is one specifically where he goes in depth on spinning up a windows virtual machine and essentially using a GitHub project to make registry hacks to turn that windows VM into a fake RDS app server then using those apps via the RDP protocol.
I really like this solution but it is still less than desirable when attempting to save files, pass through devices to apps other than keyboard and mouse, run corporate ssl VPN Clients (they often enforce desktop sessions non-rdp via policy).
I follow these threads closely: forum.level1techs.com/t/…/199671
I sometimes think maybe moving to an Intel processor with onboard video for my displays and then using the Nvidia driver patch like this github.com/DualCoder/vgpu_unlock or this github.com/ProTechEx/vgpu-proxmox to drive local 3D apps and pass GPUs into VMs is potentially something that can be used to get this going (without the need for a second discreet GPU).
I just don’t want to have to do this. So I just have a windows desktop (still).
onelikeandidie@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I am running manjaro with a AMD 7900XT GPU, i needed to do a lot of work to get my windows vm to display correctly and it does not perform well in terms of graphics inside the VM. Personally I keep a dual boot with Win11 debloated to run games that require kernel level anticheat. With that said, if you wanna know if it’s a good idea to switch, protondb.com gives you what to expect from your games on Linux!
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Switch to Linux!
Where your sound card can stop working randomly when you reboot, or your network card won’t work at the same time as your mouse!
ganoo@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Back to the home, grandpa
Zetta@mander.xyz 9 months ago
I’ve never had any issues like that, been running Fedora for 3 or so years now.
vox@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
actually these are the kind of issues I’m having on windows right now. (i have a secondary machine with windows 11)
considering just nuking that install too
generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
Jesus Christ I already don’t give a fuck about 11 because they’re just moving shit to move it, getting rid of useful features is infuriating.
ZMonster@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s the closest to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic they’ve ever been. But I’m sure they’ll outdo themselves tomorrow.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Oh no, they’ve added things too. Just not things anyone should want.
The worst part these days is “de-cloud-ifying” a fresh Windows install. The post-install setup wizard is… aggressive, about shoving Azure services in the user’s face. It does about everything it can to make these optional things look mandatory. Cleaning that mess up is practically an assumed part of the process now, IMO.
In the end, it was kind of a trek to find all the things to disable or turn off. It also does not bode well for the concept of private data and “opt in” of cloud services.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m going to build a really good win10 PC to get the most out of it for as long as I can…
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not on Windows 7, they haven’t.
Never 10 for life!
SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This is Windows 11 though
domin8r@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Compared to 11, Windows 10 is quite alright
moon@lemmy.cafe 9 months ago
Unless your computer lacks a tpm, there is no reason why you should stay on an outdated and obsolete OS over Win 11. If you’re against change and want things to stay the way you’re used to forever, despite running terrible security and outdated UX, then Linux is for you.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you’re against change and want things to stay the way you’re used to forever, despite running terrible security and outdated UX, then Linux is for you.
What I’m against is bullshit.
I’m against ads in my start menu. I’m against getting all of my “apps” from an OS curated store. I’m against an OS constantly phoning home about every aspect of my usage. I’m against using a Microsoft account to log in to my own computer (I’m the admin, thank you very much). And I’m against simply forcing users to update to a companies newest product whenever it’s convenient for the company.
I suppose what I’m against is ceeding all control over my computer to corporate entities, it’s my computer.
Honestly, if I had my way and if it could have security updates forever, I’d want to use mac os 10.6 snow leopard for eternity. Best os I’ve ever used, it came with a lot of extra software and utilities, the search was fast and the rest of the time it stayed out of your way. The industry has only gone downhill from there.
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 9 months ago
I just use my windows PC for gaming, and it does the job without issues.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I bought space engineers a long time ago and have never played it, because I don’t want to play it alone
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
The state of the multiplayer community is really rough right now in that game. There’s one guy running the two largest servers, and he’s openly corrupt.
echodot@feddit.uk 9 months ago
I never pressed that button anyway I just use the keyboard shortcut.
iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
oh this one is going to be so pissed when they find out they also re-mapped the keyboard shortcut /s
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised. Microsoft continues to prove that they hate keyboard users, constantly changing or invalidating such classic keyboard shortcuts as…Alt+F.
They don’t give a damn. They want you pointing, clicking, and touching.
My god the touching.
The screenshot utility, and OneNote, have a ruler tool you can use for making straight lines with the highlighter or w/e. If you want to change the angle of it, you have to hover over the center of it and use the mouse wheel.
The first time I used it in onenote it was at 45deg. Had to google how to fix it. It’s clearly intended for touchscreens.
NoRodent@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m just glad Copilot isn’t available in Europe.
miridius@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As a person in Europe currently using it, I am very confused by this comment
NoRodent@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Then I guess it’s only in some countries. I’ve seen articles saying it wasn’t available in Europe as a whole but maybe that’s old news.
gregorum@lemm.ee 9 months ago
For 20 years, now, my only contact with WinBlows is the rare occasion i dual-boot into it to play a game. If I actually had to use it?
[shudders]
Snapz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A decision that also lightly favors business as the “hide desktop” button has a general reputation as the “uh oh, the boss is coming!” button. Definitely not their first purpose here, but a “nice” side benefit for the pro-enshittification crowd.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
they are really tempting me to switch to linux already
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Honestly, people who are still on windows at this point deserve this shit. 99% of corporate IT users are completely unwilling to stand up to their company’s IT policies, no matter how disruptive those are to the workflow - and I am not even talking about operating system choice here.
Since 95% and more of my colleagues in all prior jobs refused to stand up for the most basic necessities (such as a proper email program, or webmail access while NOT on a corporate device), then I don’t give a fuck about them suffering from Windows while I happily left corporate IT for a service contract and work on my self-managed device.
Roderik@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Windows is shitty—don’t get me wrong. But for all my coursework it’s pretty annoying to do on Linux. Especially Office, and yes I am well aware it’s a MS product and that Linux-support will likely never come. Though the limited online version of Office or LibreOffice don’t quite cut it for me. Besides, running it with Wine or in a VM is too much of a hassle.
So “Switch to Linux!” is not really a solution for some. Let’s hope that’ll change in the future.
With that said, fuck Microsoft! I use NixOS btw.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I didn’t even realize that there was a button there before. I always just hit Win-D.
And this is why I should switch to linux? I guess any chance a linux user is going to use to tell you they use linux is good enough.
VerseAndVermin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Maybe here is a good place to ask. I have used Mint for months now on my non-gaming laptop. I like it. I was ready to move my gaming rig at months end. Then I read that it can have issues with multiple monitors at different refresh rates and also with Mouse acceleration. Is this true and is there a solution?
USSEthernet@startrek.website 9 months ago
I still don’t even see copilot on my win11 machine. I’m up to date as far as I know. Am I supposed to have it by now?
RDAM_Whiskers@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
The only thing keeping me on windows is EFT.
tranxuanthang@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Wait until they replace the second option of the Desktop right click menu to something AI.
Ripper@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Im still rocking my win 10 with the beta release of copilot
yopasol@futurology.today 9 months ago
Pajeets ruining everything they touch…
ExLisper@linux.community 9 months ago
Wow, I have no idea what copilot is and why would you want to hide the desktop. It used to be you had ‘show desktop’ button on the task bar. I guess I’ve been happily using Linux for too long.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I have an alternative: just use Windows 7. No problem. No ad. No Linux Terminal scary. All program works. Do the needful, switch now.
vikingtons@lemmy.world 9 months ago
can this be hidden via registry or group policy?
Aatube@kbin.social 9 months ago
You can hide it via normal settings.
MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I had it gone within two minutes if seeing it appear. Found this thread on it:
…microsoft.com/…/b301b77d-b879-4433-9979-f8795805…
The top pinned answer has a single line reg command that I used. I assume there are still pieces of it that will just always be around, but at least it’s out of my mind for now.
The GPO method should work similarly, and it’s what I’m going to try as soon as I see it start showing up on my work domain. I say when, not if, because these things have a way of getting around our deployment schedules. I just know one day will get a dm from a user asking if its a virus and I’ll end up finding out a third of the office already loves it.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 9 months ago
They added it to my task bar, I right clicked and went into the task bar settings to remove it.
woodenskewer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I was able to disable autopilot with a registry change but I don’t remember where I found the link. It wasn’t easy to find at the time when I looked. That being said if you reply asking for the link I’ll try and find it but otherwise, yes.
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think it’s currently in A/B testing as it’s not like this on either of my Windows machines that installed updates this week. I don’t think they let you disable the things you’re in A/B testing for.
Either that, or it’s not GDPR compliant, and they’re not rolling it out to the UK or EU.