Tipping culture npcs

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• Kcap@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Went to my normally favorite bar today and they updated their tipping button recommendations to “20%”, “69%”, and “100%”. The 69% was the default option which while I know they’re memeing, seemed really uncool as I nearly clicked approve without noticing.

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  • Rediphile@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I definitely support this! Gets people to actually think about what they are agreeing to and reminds everyone that tipping is optional.

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• betheydocrime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tipping service workers is one of the very few times in our life when we can say “The people directly serving me deserve to get paid more, and while I can’t raise their wage, I can at least make sure they’re getting paid well while they serve me” and the fact that people are upset about that and actively refuse to tip is just crazy to me.

  Like, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but tipping generously is one of the times when we can come pretty close! Maybe instead of having a $70 meal on the brink of a recession, have a $50 meal and tip up to the $70 that’s in your budget?

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  • normanwall@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And just think, they could all get paid properly if the restaurants just included those tips in the prices instead of playing this stupid fucking tipping game

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, that would be ideal. Since that’s not currently the case at all establishments, we can take other steps.

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    • betheydocrime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep! The people directly serving us deserve to get paid more, and while we can’t raise their wage, we can at least make sure they’re getting paid well while they serve us.

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  • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you tipping 50%?

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    • betheydocrime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I aim for 25-30% tip when I get standard service and when there aren’t any comped apps/drinks/desserts. If the server is amazing or if they’re giving us free stuff, I give more. 50% is very rare for me to hit, but I did leave 50% at a family dinner a few weeks ago.

      Why did you ask about 50% specifically?

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s sad how much flak you’re getting for this reasonable take. I’m lucky enough to be able to afford eating out a couple times a week, and I’m not scared of sharing a bit of my wealth with the neighborhood.

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    • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s the last bit. His first paragraph is a good outlook. Encouraging everyone to tip 25-50% is insane and stupid.

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    • betheydocrime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Right!? If you’re lucky enough to be financially secure right now, tipping can even be seen as a form of mutual aid!

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  • 31337@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It just incentivizes being an asshole. Assholes give zero tips and get to keep more of their money, while normal people have to pay the empathy tax.

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• speaker_hat@lemmy.one ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  25% is INSANE, even not during recession.

  It’s literally 1/4 of the meal.

  INSANE.

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  • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I always found percentage to be a bit stupid as a measure. If I’m eating by myself max I will tip is 10%. All they did was walk out a plate of food and refill the water a handful of times

    2 people then 15%

    If there’s like 8 people then maybe 15% + 1% per person.

    For decent service you would expect from competent staff that is, if it’s excellent than a bit more and terrible a bit less.

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    • newjunkcity@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Genuine question: how does that work though?

      • If I consume $30 worth, and tip 10%, waiter gets $3.
      • If there’s two of us, and we consume $60, the waiter probably does 60% extra work for 100% extra tip at 10% of the total bill ($6)

      I would have thought (but perhaps I’m wrong) that the waiter does less work per person as the number of people at a table increases, so why would the percentage tip go up?

      And as far as the bill goes, if there’s only me, I’ll likely stick to soft drinks. Whereas when there are more people in my group, I’d be much more likely to grab a bottle of wine to share, pushing the total bill per person up, and thus the tip.

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• audin@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  if your job does not pay a livable wage without begging then maybe get another job

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  • explodicle@local106.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They (and many others) are getting paid below a living wage because that was the best job they could get. The wage problem isn’t our fellow workers failing to hustle harder, it’s systematic oppression of organized labor.

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• zik@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I honestly don’t know why people go to restaurants in the US. I don’t want a guilt trip with my expensive meal. Talk about a buzz kill.

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• zerog_bandit@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Service industry employees have lowkey become the most entitled folks ever after COVID. “We were essential” the fuck you were. Every single god damn place has 18% as the MINIMUM tip. If I see that I legit don’t even tip, and then take my business elsewhere. Absolute height of disrespect.

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• pipows@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here in Brazil, tipping is not normal. Instead, restaurants and bars will add a 10% service cost to the bill. This 10% is then weekly divided between cooks, waiters, bartenders, etc, the proportion being decided by the restaurant.

  That is of course not a low, but it is so common that restaurant workers already consider that when thinking how much they make. My sister worked as a bartender at a restaurant recently, and she would add R$300 (roughly $60, yes it’s not much, but remember we’re a middle income country) to her monthly paycheck from this.

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  • nale@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait, you pay higher prices since you dine and wine in restaurant (service included) and then you’re charged with service fee. Isn’t the higher price you pay already the service fee?

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    • VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As far as I’m aware the UK has a service charge too. And they’re the 6th largest economy in the world.

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• danekrae@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The worst are when NPCs call people NPCs.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Dehumanizing people is the first step down the road to genocide.

    Stop doing it.

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  • NOSin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sooooo you just called yourself a NPC ?

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• mellowheat@suppo.fi ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If I should tip 25% for a $70 meal, the meal shouldn’t be $70. It should be $88.

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• s_s@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you live in a tipping culture and can’t afford to tip, then you can’t afford a waitress.

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  • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    this is the reverse of “if you can’t afford a job that pays you find another job”. I’m all for tipping for service rendered and I’m the first to suggest tipping at tables, but some of the “recommended tip rates” requested at establishments are extortionary. I’m 100% ok with tipping 15-20%, even moreso if it’s a super small order or the waiter went above and beyond but, my 45 minute meal that you visited twice maybe 3 times tops for does not warrent a 25+% tip rate.

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    • s_s@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      this is the reverse of “if you can’t afford a job that pays you find another job”.

      Not even close.

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    • jkrtn@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t you agree with them if your argument is basically that 15% is expected but 25% is extortionate?

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• gearheart@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I will probably get hate but I also tip based on the before tax portion.

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  • MacDangus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is what you are supposed to do

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  • scoobford@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    20% of $25 is $5.

    20% of 109% of $25 is $5.45.

    I doubt anyone notices.

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  • hogmomma@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you mean by “also?” Do you tip twice?

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• LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Never once have I had any person be rude to me for a 20% tip.

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Guy earning $2.35/hr: “It would be nice to earn enough to continue to pay for my living expenses.”

  Me, a guy who just had him wait on me hand-and-foot for an hour while I sipped a coffee: “Hell no I’m not giving you more than a dollar.”

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  • Primarily0617@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    why is he waiting on you hand-and-foot if all you're doing is sipping a coffee?

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Presumably because you’re guzzling it as fast as he can brew more and refill.

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  • Sprawlie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why is your problem here that people don’t want to have to pay additional above the expected posted fee for their food?

    the same argument can easily be asked, why the fuck are you supporting and allowing for restaurateurs to pay 2.35/hr?

    Stop encouraging greedy bosses by subsidizing their workers for them.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why is your problem here that people don’t want to have to pay additional above the expected posted fee for their food?

      Its clearly more your problem than mine. I’m not the one getting nasty stares and bad service because I’ve stiffed the help.

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• Desistance@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is why I never eat out anymore. Restaurants are complaining that their customer base is shrinking. I wonder why…

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• ExLisper@linux.community ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I used to tip most of the times when I got to Spain but I was told so many time it’s simply not something people do here that I mostly stopped. There no way tip when you’re paying with a card and I carry less and less cash so without any pressure to tip I simply lost the habit.

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• asteriskeverything@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  25% ??! Damn I remember when it was 10%, or maybe just the tax if you were cheap. The American public is way better at giving underpaid workers wages that keep up with inflation than the government!

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  • explodicle@local106.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But a fixed percentage already includes inflation

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  • doingless@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are places where sales tax is around 15% too.

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• CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you can’t afford to tip after getting a big steak, you should probably get a smaller steak.

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  • Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you cant afford to pay your staff you cant run a business.

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  • bort@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you can’t afford to tip after getting a new car, you should probably get an older car.

    fun fact: most people DO tip for new cars. Only the tip is factored in into the initial price, which already includes 50-100% markup, which gives the dealer room to abate.

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• hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you can’t afford the tip, why are you paying $70 for a meal?

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  • PeroBasta@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So let’s say you go buy a car, do you leave a coupple thousands more for good measure?

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    • hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Car sales people are paid on commission. If servers were paid on commission then your argument would make sense.

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because that’s just how much it costs to go out to eat now. No one can afford it. Where have you been?

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    • hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Again, if it’s too expensive to afford, why are you doing it?

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• FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We’re not on the verge of a recession though.

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  • DicksMcgee43@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re right, we are far beyond that

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• Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Or just tell them: I am sorry I didn’t come to visit this country to experience this awful part of the decadent American culture.

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  • ElleChaise@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Woah there, pardner! Them's fightin' woids.

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• Goldenboy@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No tiping means meals get more expensive. Easy as that. It is a bit strange to me that people going out to eat and drink, stick it to us waiters and barkeepers and cooks.

  I worked at many small places where the owners where struggling to keep everything afloat.

  I do also wish there was no need for tips, but truth is that would scare many guests away and would take time to adapt. Time in wich id be broke af.

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  • moriquende@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    what’s the difference then? At the end of the day the guests scared away are the ones who wouldn’t have left a tip in the first place.

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  • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These are reasons why the economy, politicians, and your employer are failing you. Be upset with the people who create and maintain the system, not other people like you who are just trying to escape their own shitty work situations with a beer and a cheeseburger. It shouldn’t be their job to pay you directly. People in other industries don’t accept a pay structure like that and you shouldn’t either.

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  • momo420@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you trolling?

    Do I have a perfect idea for you, for a restaurant - you can order anything you like and the bill is always going to be $1.00. But at the end the restaurant chooses the tip amount.

    WOW that’s crazy, just 1 buck 😲. And the customers will always be happy because the meals are not expensive.

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  • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No tiping means meals get more expensive.

    Which is fine as long as it works out to be what it would be with a standard tip. That’s how it should be.

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  • SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If tipping went away the food shouldn’t be more expensive to the consumer, the restaurant owner should take a pay cut and pay their employees better. Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?

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    • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?

      There’s no technical reason for why, just based on current evidence where 100% of the time producers shove any increase in cost to consumers.

      You’re correct that there’s nothing technically preventing producers from eating the increase, it’s just that they’ve never done so, at least in the US.

      Only real example where that has happen was with Nintendo and the WiiU. I’m sure there’s more but the fact I’m drawing blank past that but could name you over a thousand times when the cost was shoved off to consumers kind of is my point in a nutshell.

      So that said, that’s why a lot of people just assume increase in cost of production equals increase in cost to consumers.

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    • GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Currently servers are currently paid minimum $2.13/hour. If they don’t make enough after tips to equal minimum wage over a pay period ($7.25/hour), then the restaurant is required to pay them up to that minimum wage.

      Labor costs for servers, bartenders, and others caught in this legal loophole would have to increase by 7-fold to get up to $15/hour. Many restaurants and bars wouldn’t be able to afford that large of an increase without raising prices, given that many have a profit margin between 3-6% per several sources.

      There have been some restaurants that have raised wages closer to $15/hour with varying success, but that hasn’t caught on widely yet.

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  • grte@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the truth. If you want the industry to change, don’t go to restaurants who do the tipping model. If you go to these places and don’t tip in some misguided attempt to change things, guess what. The owner just felt zero difference. They got paid 100% what they were expecting. It’s the waitstaff who just felt it. So why would the restaurant owner, the guy with the power to change things and not notable for giving a shit about their staff, care about your protest at all? Assuming they notice which they aren’t going to.

    The only way to actually mount financial pressure on these places is to not go to them.

    Of course, I assume most people who claim to be not tipping as some form of protest against the system just want to take advantage of the lower prices allowable by the lowered wage that waitstaff receive while claiming to be doing it for some higher goal.

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    • NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, I hate tipping because of the fact that it is on a percentage.

      I just order to go, food quality is a little lower than straight from the kitchen, the company is better though

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No tiping means meals get more expensive.

    Do they really get more expensive, or do you just pay the “more expensive” meal price with what would be an expected tip anyway? And no matter what, prices are gonna go up anyway, so we might not even notice those increases.

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• formergijoe@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Look at this guy, paying $70 at a restaurant. How many are you buying for? 5?

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• Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I mean, they are paid significantly less than minimum wage. While it’s not your responsibility to pay them fair wages, it’s their bosses, they do rely on tips to survive if you can tip, you should, but you should also advocate for paying service industry workers fair wages.

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• dutchkimble@lemy.lol ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Rude - Atleast they could have played them a nice piece on the world’s tiniest violin!

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• LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yhea f off with that tiping culture .

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• gibmiser@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Look at this comment to votes ratio. About 400 votes total and 170 comments! That is an awesome, active community!

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• mvirts@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When times are tough dont eat out if you cant tip (at least while your jurisdiction allows exploitation of tipped workers)

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• partner0709@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  #Bidenomics

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• casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I generally always tip what I feel is generous if I’m able to, because thankfully I just have the luxury of spare change to blow from being a little more frugile these days, watching my spending and all that jazz. But honestly, if I was smart, and truly frugile, I’d be saving that money by not tipping, but also by making a meal at home instead whenever it’s an option. But I’m willing participating in the machinations of the local service economy whenever I order delivery, or go to a restaurant, or do many things that would involve tipping. That said, retail tipping feels kind of weird except for some specialty shops where it’s totally unnecessary but something to consider when you get excellent service.

  But fuck all the profiteers behind all the schemes in the service industry that exploit workers by forcing them to rely on tipping, it’s actually fucking bullshit. Wait staff and delivery drivers can get paid as low as $4/hour once they’ve received some balance in tips, when they should probably be getting around $20/hour and up in most cases. It’s actually third world level.

  But nah fam what kind $70 meal we talking? If you paying $70 for a steak, a couple drinks and whatever else at an especially nice place, you bet your fucking ass you’ll tip $17.50 if the food and service is worth it, because you’re spending 1-2 hours at that nice restaurant and your service occupies an amount of man-hours that might otherwise not be well compensated. Actually, maybe 25%/$17.50 is a bit much, it really just depends on the meal and the place. I feel like I would do 15% if service was ok, 20% if good, 25% if great but again it’s all about setting.

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• Cexcells@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If I’m not longer working for a tip, and my wage is built in. Guess who no longer cares about you dining experience.

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