2023 was the year that GPUs stood still

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• Stovetop@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But boy did it change the price you have to pay for it.

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• lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hands up if you/someone you know purchased a Steam Deck or other computer handheld, instead of upgrading their GPU 🙋‍♂️

  To be honest I stopped following PC hardware altogether because things were so stagnant outside of Intel’s alder lake and the new x86 P/E cores. GPUs that would give me a noticeable performance uplift from my 1060 aren’t really at appealing prices outside the US either IMO

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s diminishing returns.

    We need a giant leap forward to show a noticeable effect now.

    Like, if a cars top speed was 10mph, a 5 mph increase is fucking huge.

    But getting a supercar to top off at 255 instead of 250, just isn’t a huge deal. And you wouldn’t notice unless you were testing it.

    So even if they keep increasing power at a steady rate, the end user is going to notice it less and less everytime.

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    • Xiaz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We had hardware getting massive leaps for years. Problem is, devs got used to hardware having enough grunt to overcome lack of optimizations. Now we got shit coming out barely holding 60+ on 4080s and requiring usage of FSR or DLSS as a bandaid to make the game get back to playable framerates.

      If you’ve got 30 series or 7000 series from AMD you don’t need to look for a more performant card, you need devs to put in time for polish and optimization before launch and not 6 months down the line IF the game is a commercial success.

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    • ugjka@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Money is in the AI chips for datacenters, i think regular consumers will be more more only getting dinner’s leftovers

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  • uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From 2020 I planned on building a new gaming PC. Bought an ITX case and followed hardware releases closely… And then got disillusioned with it all.

    Picked up a Steam Deck in August of 2022 and couldn’t be happier with it. The ITX case is collecting dust.

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    • theangryseal@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I game exclusively on my Steam deck these days.

      I absolutely love it. I dock it and use the desktop as my standard pc too. It does everything I need it to do.

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  • myfavouritename@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s exactly what I did!

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  • TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep. In fact I bought a second deck (OLED) instead of upgrading GPU’s. Prices are nuts, I’ll wait.

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  • daq@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m surprised so many people are cross shopping tbh. I briefly considered steam deck, but specs are barely enough to play at 1080p so it’s completely useless when docked and a purely portable device with a tiny screen and gamepad carries very little value to me personally.

    I ended up getting eGPU enclosure for my laptop and grabbing a 1080ti from a friend that didn’t need it anymore. I’m able to play D4 at 4k on medium settings.

    Even if I had to buy a gpu like I was originally planning, ~$800 total to play in 4k on a 43" screen with a mouse and keyboard is a completely different experience from anything Xbox or steam deck offer.

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  • CoreOffset@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be honest I stopped following PC hardware altogether because things were so stagnant

    That’s exactly what happened to me as well.

    It’s not exciting at all to pay attention to mediocre launches of expensive products. The GPU in my gaming PC is several generations old at this point but I don’t really care. There are still plenty of good games that will run fine on it and I’m just going to hold tight. There are games that I still have yet to purchase that will run fine on my hardware. I’m not going to give my money to terribly optimized games or games that require high-end hardware.

    The more expensive PC gaming becomes the more high-end hardware doesn’t really matter. I think developers and publishers know that they need to target the average consumer because they need to sell volume on these games. If the average gamer is playing on older and/or lower end hardware then they need to service that market. There aren’t enough 4090 buyers to sell the volume they need to make money. Hell, at these prices I’m not sure there are even enough 4070 or even 4060 level buyers to do that. Tons of people lost interest and aren’t buying into this even if you still see posts online of people purchasing new GPUs.

    I waited out the crypto market and I don’t have problems waiting longer.

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• crsu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You guys think I should upgrade my Voodoo 3 card? No one is joining my quake server anymore anyway

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We’ve all moved over to The Specialists!

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  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah you need that Fireball upgrade man

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• just_change_it@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Given technological progress and efficiency improvements I would argue that 2023 is the year the gpu ran backwards. We’ve been in a rut since 2020… and arguably since the 2018 crypto explosion.

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  • Vash63@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah 2022 it was running backwards far more. 2023 was a slight recovery but still worse than 2021.

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  • AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel the same way. I don’t have the data to prove it.

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    • crsu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Anecdotal evidence is still data

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• Cyberjin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wanted to upgrade my 1060 for the longest time for something like the 3080. But during to demand and prices hikes, I waited… 40 series got released and the prices stayed high.

  So I just gave up, I got a steam deck and PS5 instead.

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  • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A lot of people did this. The GPU market for gaming might have actually shrunk. You would think Nvidia would panic but due to AI chip demand their stock is at an ATH and no company changes course or reevaluates and what they’re doing when shareholders are lining up to suck their dicks, so…no end in sight. Meanwhile AMD doesn’t seem to want to even try to make a play for market share.

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    • Cyberjin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Technically AMD does have more market share when you think about all the devices has AMD in them like Playstation, Xbox, steam deck and other handhelds.

      But yeah Nvidia doesn’t care about gaming anymore, If I had to pick a GPU today, I would pick AMD because Nvidia 6-8 VRAM isn’t enough and AMD is better on linux.

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• trag468@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Still rocking a 1080. I don’t see a big enough reason to upgrade yet. I mostly play PC games on my steam deck anyways. I thought starfield was going to give me a reason. Cyberpunk before that. I’m finally playing cyberpunk but the advanced haptics on PS5 sold me on going that route over my PC.

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  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just “upgraded” from a GTX 1080 to an RTX 4060 Ti 16Gb, but only because I was building a PC for my boyfriend and gave him the 1080. I’m really not seeing a noticeable difference in frame rate on 1440p.

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  • ATDA@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I keep waiting for a good deal to retire my 1080ti.

    Guess I could go for a 3060 or something but 4 series will probably leave my old CPU behind.

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  • Yokozuna@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1080 gang rise up.

    But seriously, my 1080 does fine for most things, and I have a 2k 144hz monitor. It’s JUST starting to show its age as I can’t blast everything on high/ultra anymore and have to turn down the biggest fps guzzling settings.

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  • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    CP77, at least before the upgrade (haven’t checked since then) ran perfectly… acceptable on my 4G 5500 XT. Back when I bought it (just before the price hikes) it was the “RX 590 performance but less watts and RDNA” option, the RX 590 hit the market in 2017. And I’m quite sure that people still rocking it are, well, still rocking it. Developers might be using newer and fancier features but I’ll expect they’ll continue to support that class of cards for quite some while, you don’t want to lose out on millions of sales because millions don’t want to pay for overpriced GPUs.

    Due to ML workloads I’ve been eyeing the Arc (cheapest way to get 16G and it’s got some oomph) but honestly so far I couldn’t get myself to buy an Intel product that isn’t a NIC, would break a life-long streak. A system RAM upgrade is definitely in the pipeline, though, DDR4 has gotten quite cheap. It’s gotten to a point where I’d recommend 64G simply because 32G sticks are the cheapest per GB (and you probably have two memory controllers).

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• ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just upgraded from a 1070 to a 3060ti. The numbers definitely did not justify a 4060ti.

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  • kaitco@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How was that change? I’m thinking of doing the same, but it requires a power supply update too, so I’m on the fence.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fwiw, I’ve been running a 3080FE for nearly 3 years now and it’s still more than enough to run basically anything I care to on max settings (or close to it) @2.5k. Got it through Best Buy, so I paid list price (but it was a massive pain in the ass to actually snag one through their queueing system). It was pricey, but it was a HUGE perf uplift, since I was coming from a GTX 1070 as well.

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• HeyJoe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As someone who upgraded from a 2016 GPU to a 2023 one I was completely fine with this. Prices finally came down and I got the best card 2023 offered me, which may not have been impressive for this generation but was incredible from what I came from.

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  • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And how much did you pay for the 2016 card, what range was it in, and what is the new card’s cost and range?

    Overal, gpus have been a major ripoff, despite these upgrades giving good performance boosts

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    • HeyJoe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I believe about $300 for an AMD RX480 (great card and still going strong). This time I had a bit more money and wanted something more powerful. I went with the AMD 7800 XT Nitro ($550) which I got on release day. Sure it’s not top of the line but it has played pretty much everything I throw at it with all settings set to max and still maintaining 60fps or above. I have an UW monitor with its max resolution being 5120x1440 which is what most games will play at and everything still plays fine. It’s almost crazy to me that this card would be considered mid range.

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• verdantbanana@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  intel GPUs definitely won out for what you get for the money

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  • crsu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not a sentence I’m used to seeing

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  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m so glad that Intel has stepped into the GPU space, even if their cards are weaker. More competition will hopefully light a fire under NVidia to get their shit together.

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• aluminium@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I finally upgraded my GTX970 to a used 3080 for 300€. The difference at least for me for the same 300€ was insane.

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• Paddzr@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had to buy 3070 ti at scalped price. Ended up paying £700 for it. I hate myself for it but the prices didn’t shift for months after and my gtx 1080 kicked the bucket. No way in hell am I buying anything this gen. My wife’s 1080 is going for now, maybe we’ll get 5080 if it’s not a rip off.

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  • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Its nvidia, its always a ripoff :p

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    • filister@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Especially now when gaming GPUs are an afterthought for them.

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    • filister@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Especially now when gaming GPUs are an afterthought for them.

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• Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  NVIDIA fucking sucks. But I do a lot of modeling in blender and holy damn do I want that RTX.

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  • Hadriscus@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You and me both, bro-in-pathtracing

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• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So how about the 2 years between Nvidia GFX 1080ti and RTX 2080?
  I think the headline should say A Year not THE year.

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• konalt@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I upgraded from an RX 480 to an RTX 3060 a few days ago. Crazy difference, especially in compute

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  • Yokozuna@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, you are going from AMD to Nvida, so there is a significant upgrade just in that. When I did my switch, I swore never to go back to AMD Gpu’s. But also going to a much more modern card than an almost 8 year old one would make anyone’s rig feel better. Glad you have a good card now!

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• BallShapedMan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I upgraded from a 3080 to a 4090.

  My son needed an upgrade and it was easier to justify giving him the 3080 and chalking up the difference as his Christmas gift last year than to buy a GPU for him outright.

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• AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s everyone’s recommendation for a cheap AMD GPU to use with Linux? I was looking recently at a Radeon RX 580, I know there are much better cards out there but the prices are about double (£350-400 instead of £180). I’d mostly be using it to play games like the remastered Rome Total War.

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    6600XTs seem to be going for around £200, often £180 even (used, eBay).

    If you’d prefer new, you can get a 6650XT for £240. A 6650XT will be 6% faster than a 6600XT.

    It’s double the performance of a 580, uses less power, will be supported longer, etc.

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    • AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s a decent price, might have to go for one of those instead… Thanks for the information!

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  • bazsy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are some used options e.g. 5700 XT-s are really cheap because many of them were mining card. For new cards there aren’t many options RX 6600 has relatively good value, but it’s only worth it if efficiency or features like hw video codecs are important for you.

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    • AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is there any issue with buying a card that was previously used for mining?

      When you say RX 6600 do you mean that one specifically or the range including 6600XT etc? I don’t have a good handle on what the real world differences between the variants are.

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Been waiting for a good deal to replace my rx480 in my sister’s rig. I think they announced rx400/500/vega GPUs will only get security driver updates now and only for a while, I assume that applies to Linux too. RX580 will play many games at 1080p 60fpd but not the modern demanding ones (maybe not even at low settings).

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  • majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same. I’ve been looking at AMD upgrade for my Linux Machine. Have been looking at the 6700xt which is about £330 for a 12GB GPU. If someone can think of anything better I’d like to know

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  The performance gains were small, and a drop from 12GB to 8GB of RAM isn’t the direction we prefer to see things move, but it was still a slightly faster and more efficient card at around the same price.

  In all, 2023 wasn’t the worst time to buy a $300 GPU; that dubious honor belongs to the depths of 2021, when you’d be lucky to snag a GTX 1650 for that price.

  But these numbers were only possible in games that supported these GPUs’ newest software gimmick, DLSS Frame Generation (FG).

  The technology is impressive when it works, and it’s been successful enough to spawn hardware-agnostic imitators like the AMD-backed FSR 3 and an alternate implementation from Intel that’s still in early stages.

  And DLSS FG also adds a bit of latency, though this can be offset with latency-reducing technologies like Nvidia Reflex.

  But to put it front-and-center in comparisons with previous-generation graphics cards is, at best, painting an overly rosy picture of what upgraders can actually expect.

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• aluminium@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The thing is its working so damn well. 4090s are selling in huge numbers.

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  • weeeeum@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be honest I think it’s just AI developers gobbling them all up because Nvidia’s dedicated workload and professional GPUs are always sold out. Plus spending 1400$ on games is ridiculous, and that’s coming from somebody with a ryzen 7800x3d and a 7900xtx. I regret it so much, such a waste of money.

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    • nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Having a 7900XTX and a 5800X…I don’t really get the wate of money part. I can throw everything at it and it runs exceptionally well with 5120x1440 resolution. Most, if not all,is running well inside Freesync 2 range…I couldn’t be any happier and since I’m getting old now, I’d compare it to the Athlon 64 X2 times with a Radeon 850 XT…between that and now, I never had a system that did so well with the games of it’s time.

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• twinnie@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just upgraded from a 970GTX to a 2060S I bought on AliExpress. Bargain.

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  • BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I recommend running GPU-Z to verify the 2060S is actually a 2060S, it’s well known that there’s fakes sold on that site as well as many others.

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  • crsu@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Aren’t you worried about it bursting into flames?

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