The average car purchased in 2023 emits higher levels of carbon dioxide (CO₂) than its 2013 equivalent. This is due to the large proportion of SUVs in the mix, which tend to be bigger and heavier.

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• NarrativeBear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This video here explains one of the issues one minute in. Definitely worth a watch.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh4H9qZ-_6Y&t=55

  The way car companies are working around this legislation is why it’s so hard to find and buy smaller sized cars (like smart cars) even if there is demand. It also makes our community less safe for pedestrian traffic.

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  • telllos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The sad part is that Europe is seeing a lot of SUVs too. Not as big as whzt we see in the US. But they are there. We also start seeing american style pick up trucks. Luckily, people pay more taxes for these kind of cars.

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    • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In Switzerland there was apparently some kind of loophole in the tax system which allowed you to register your pickup truck as a company vehicle (and pay less) even when you don’t have any company or if you are just working as a hairdresser…

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re so fucking stupid. Worse in every way compared to normal cars, but they make idiots feel important, and car makers seem to prefer them.

      Ford fucking discontinued the C-Max, a great car in my opinion, and replaced it with… Nothing? The Puma? It’s way smaller, while the Kuga is more expensive.

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  • sdoorex@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s all about the classification!

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can’t stand those idiot trucks that have a chopped-in-half rear bed so they can cram in an undersized back seat.

    A truck is for moving shit. If you can’t fit a sheet of plywood in the back of your truck, your truck is a candy ass piece of crap, and all I see is small dick energy.

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    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I call them vans with a 4 foot tumour.

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    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I've seen trucks with 8' beds and big crew cabs. They're like 30 feet long, though

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• joemo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The title is confusing. It starts by saying “compare the 2023 model to the 2013 model” and then mentions that the mix of cars has changes (proportion of SUVs in the mix). I feel like the title should have been “The average car purchased in 2023 emits higher levels of carbon dioxide (CO₂) than the average car purchased in 2013.” Then you can explain “This is due to the large proportion of SUVs in the mix.”

  There needs to be more proofreading and editing of articles before they are published online, as the title here is a direct quote from the article.

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  • Tikiporch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think you’re expecting too much from the English version of Spain’s #2 newspaper.

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    • GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep, can’t expect too much from El Pais

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• JasSmith@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I wish wagons were more popular. They're great for fitting all the stuff in for the family, but lighter and much better handling. I don't know why SUVs became the thing, but I wish wagons would be a come-back. A Tesla wagon would be awesome.

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  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Took me years to realize but “Crossover SUVs” are basically just Hatchbacks with slightly higher suspensions. Hell, manufacturers like Subaru literally use the same chassis as their sedans.

    Which is slightly different than a station wagon but is close enough for the vast majority of people since the main distinction is more vertical storage capacity because of rounded edges (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_wagon#Comparison_wi…). Which… definitely was an issue when I had to make multiple dump runs but never comes up in “real life” as it were.

    Like, I hate that I drive a “SUV”. But when I was doing more or less everything I could to NOT buy one I eventually realized “A hatchback Impreza with a lift kit sounds perfect” was literally at the same dealership.

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    • Magister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The worst crossover I saw is the Ford Ecosport. It is basically a Ford Fiesta with higher suspension. It has nothing to do with a SUV, it is small, has 0 towing capacity, is 3000lbs, has a 3 cylinders engine, cost 30’000$ (in canada). The most useless and expensive thing. A Fiesta was half the price for essentially the same frame/car.

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    • dditty@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you drive a Subaru Crosstrek you are not part of the problem imo. That’s a reasonably priced, highly functional compact crossover. The real problems are trucks, full-sized SUVs, and other “mall terrain vehicles.”

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    • XeroxCool@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I used to complain about the promotion of hatchback for cargo space because they were really a regular trunk turned vertically. Your Wikipedia link shows that well with the ~2008 Focus examples. If you compare the 2012+ focus, it’s a bit clearer because that generation offered a 5 door hatch alongside the 4 door sedan. I disliked the tradeoff of the large rear opening (with folding seats) because it came with a shortened trunk length and the sloped rear glass reduced total volume (compared to a wagon typically having more vertical glass and being longer overall than the sedan). However, the shorter version do have a purpose if you frequently park in the street or any other urban/dense lots. They’re easier to parallel park and less likely to get swiped in garages and such as people swing wide. They offer 4-5 seats, they offer a large cargo area, just not at the same time. That makes enough sense to me for vehicles living their daily duty as single-person vehicles.

      That’s basically how my daily driving duty is now split between a small motorcycle and, for bad weather, a 4x4 (hi/lo) body-on-frame convertible 2-door suv smaller than a miata Geo Tracker.

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    • thejml@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It doesn’t really matter if you get a larger SUV, you’re still shorter than the jacked up F150+’s and such. We have a car and a 17yo 4Runner (and I try to use it for hauling more than kids and going on more terrain than asphalt), but even the 4Runner is dwarfed by most things. Almost every thing I park it near is larger at this point. Heck a 4th gen 4Runner is within inches of the dimensions of a current Ford Escape, it’s crazy.

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    • cerevant@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Agree. As for the history, wagons were popular in the 70s, but the minivan really took off in the 80s. This led to a perception that Minivans weren’t masculine, so there was a big boom in SUVs which had the volume and utility of a Minivan, but were more manly.

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  • admiralteal@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you're curious, it is because wagons are classified as passenger vehicles and SUVs are classified as light trucks. Wagons are held to higher emissions/safety standards than SUVs, making them less profitable to produce in the US.

    Also fuck Tesla.

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    • Klear@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Chuck Testa? Nope, fuck Tesla.

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wagons and minivans - which are great substitutes for SUVs - have a negative stigma because everybody’s parents had one and people don’t want to feel old.

    Hopefully the same thing will happen to SUVs.

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    • JasSmith@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You're probably right but wagons can be cool now.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Huh my parents had a Bronco, don’t like that style. Also had a minivan, very good vehicle that I would get for family life.

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  • Motecuhzoma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not quite a wagon but I love my Honda Fit, it sips gas, handles surprisingly well for a car in its price range and it’s amazing how much stuff you can Fit into the little guy

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    • someguy3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My old Mazda protege was basically that with a foot longer trunk. It was perfect size.

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  • EatYouWell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m just glad they’re bringing back small trucks. I don’t want a small-penismobile, I want a vehicle I can throw some lumber and such in on occasion.

    Which is why I love my Hyundai Santa Cruz. Sucker can tow 3500lb but can get 35mpg highway

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  • draughtcyclist@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was with you on everything until that last sentence.

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  • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aw man I miss my Volvo wagon. I should have never sold it. I would love to get another used one but I would have to pay triple what I sold it for to get it back these days, prices are just insane since they stopped making anything decent years ago.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Buying a car nowadays is a freaking nightmare, I hope mine lasts many more years

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  • trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t know why SUVs became the thing

    The most suitable vehicle for their purposes would be a minivan, but they think minivans are dorky. You could say the reason is vanity.

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• applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  also interesting is how few car maker even produce normal sized cars anymore, let alone smaller ones.

  newsweek.com/its-hard-find-small-car-us-thats-not…

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  • Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also the average length of car ownership before buying something else is about 5 years, but the average loan duration for a new car is 7 years.

    The car market in the US is just screwed.

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    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My Honda Civic was built in 2008 and it’s fine. My car before that was a Nissan Sentra and it lived 22 years. Drive them until they are piles of rust kept going by duct tape and raw anger, and try not to shed manly tears when they are crushed into a cube.

      I am sorry car, but this is a good death.

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    • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that’s insane, I have a 2005 toyota corolla with zero interest in getting a new car.

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    • icedterminal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Those that do loans are much more likely to have negativity equity when trading in. Which is already proven with those who have terms longer than 4 years. This means on trading in, the borrower is looking at an increased car payment on top of the already higher average transaction price of $35,000. If you put money down, default on the loan and lose the car, you’ve quite literally given away money.

      It’s true the average loan is 7 years, but within the last few years there are 10 year (!) loans are available. This helps bring down an $800 payment. But that interest is gonna suck if you don’t get a very low rate.

      Those that pay off their loans tend to keep their cars for 10 to 12 years. Assuming the car doesn’t catastrophically fail. Which anecdotally happened to our family. 1.6L Ford EcoBoost defect killed the engine 2 years after a 4 year loan was paid off.

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    • ironeagl@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not all cars are bought with loans though.

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  • MadBigote@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That has to be the case only in the US.

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    • gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not really. Even in EU the cars are getting bigger even if not as fast as in the US.
      Some year ago the small city cars were smaller than the today version.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Would you rather make more money per unit product or less money per unit product?

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    • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      well yea, that’s obviously why they do it.

      doesn’t make it good.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    also interesting is how few car makers even produce normal sized cars anymore, let alone smaller ones.

    From the article…

    “SUVs and crossovers were traditionally less fuel efficient and more expensive, but that’s not the case anymore. Engine and technology advancements have leveled those drawbacks. SUVs and crossovers are now just as fuel efficient and offer more hauling capability as similar-sized cars for about the same price in many cases,”

    So, who do I believe?

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    • FeelThePoveR@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Engine and technology advancements” can also be applied to smaller cars so that doesn’t really move the needle.

      I think it’s quite obvious that unless you discover how to break the laws of physics, the smaller car will be always more efficient due to better aerodynamics and lower weight

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    • random65837@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s nothing to not believe, look up the fuel averages. My wife’s Escape averages 40mpg.

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• nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  anyone who buys an SUV is a stupid fucker there are cars that have just as much seat space in them that are more sensible

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  • mob@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My Ford Taurus isn’t going to get into the Uintas or Wasatch range. Getting rid of my SUV will really hurt my wifes ability to release rehabilitated animals.

    But, I don’t want to be a stupid fucker. What should I get after I get rid of my SUV?

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    • M0oP0o@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Subaru hatchbacks are great off road and have about the same capacity as most SUVs.

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    • Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even an older model SUV like a Honda CRV will take up a lot less space than its modern counterpart. Station wagons can be sexy too if that’s your style.

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    • BlackVenom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While parent is extreme and minimizes that some people have legitimate needs… You do raise another interesting point… You have an SUV and a Fullsize Sedan. I’m sure you have your reasons but it’s an amusing anecdote.

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    • bigschnitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A station wagon is easier for moving animals, more space than a small SUV - it’s lower to the ground (huge plus if you have to lift them in, easier for them if you are leading them up a portable ramp).

      The trade off is you can’t do soft sand, cross deeper streams etc, but IMO animals don’t need to be released far off track, to me it’s worth the trade off.

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    • greenmarty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People driving heavy terrain in wilderness around here use jeeps and jeep like cars. Even US army used use them back in the day before monster trucks became a thing.

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  • grayman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re the asshole here. There’s SUVs and crossovers (aka short SUVs), almost zero sedans are manufactured these days thanks to the dumb ass govt and cafe. I don’t even want nor have**** an SUV, but judging people for having something you don’t want is ignorant and foolish. People pick from what is available for the most part. Giant cheap ass SUVs are easier to find than a small sedan that gets 4 mpg better mileage and that’s the govt’s fault.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      it has nothing to do with personal preference. that is your own selfish rhetorical frame. those things are wasteful and dangerous and require shitty hostile infrastructure. they are also a huge scam and you don’t need one. Americans are depressed as fuck.

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  • WereCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Suzuki Ignis is stupid then?

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    • David_Eight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Kinda yeah, why not buy a hatchback instead? The Suzuki being taller will inherently have more wind resistance, hence worse gas milage and Co2. Unless you absolutely need the extra ground clearance, which very very few do, it’s stupid.

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  • CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have an SUV thst weighs 2,000 pounds and has a 1.3 liter engine, it seats two, you need to stop being a dumbass and sell your gas guzzling car because it absolutely has more wasted seats and a larger engine.

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    • David_Eight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What suv is that?

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  • random65837@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Who said it’s unessasary? You? Speak for your own needs. What about the utility part? Where are you putting large bulky items? How aboutany bags of top soil? Trash going to a dump maybe?

    It’s amazing how pathetically ignorant you are.

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  • vsh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Once you drive one, it will change your pov

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• IndefiniteBen@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Interesting that this is focused on the UK and mentions Europe. I (like other commenters) expected this was about the US market before I read the article.

  That would mean they were subject to EURO emissions regulations.

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  • Thorry84@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve noticed a huge uptake in big American trucks here in Europe. I hate it!

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  • LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Boring coloured SUV is the British car landscape now. The motorways are depressing enough but it’s a grey scale dystopia now.

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  • ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought it was at first too. In the U.S. (at least, here in Texas) I feel like the bigger offender is all the lifted trucks, coal-rollers, etc. Not sure how bad muscle cars are but they’re also very prevalent. Seems like every 5th person in my city has a Mustang or Charger with a muffler delete.

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  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have you seen the number of fannies driving about in Audi SUVs these days?

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They are and carbon emissions with Euro 5 and 6 didn’t change for gas cars. Carbon emissions are directly linked to fuel economy, it either comes out as CO or CO2, that study didn’t mention other emissions because it would have shown that more modern SUVs emit less than 10 years old cars because Euro 6 is more strict for the rest. If comparing diesels the difference is even greater.

    Heck, with the deterioration of the emission equipment the more modern SUV is probably better for carbon emissions and it’s only on paper that the older vehicle is better.

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• Firedcylinder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think it’s beyond time to get rid of the “light truck” classification for suvs.

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  • UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Especially since they aren’t even light any more. Compare a Ford Ranger from the 1990s or early 2000s to the current generation and it looks like a toy. The current generation of light trucks and SUVs are bigger than full sized trucks and SUVs from 20 years ago.

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• spudwart@spudwart.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Less Cars more Public Transit.

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  • Couplqnd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure! But that’s not a silver bullet.

    Decarbonization is a multi-prong solution and switching everything over to public transportation would take decades. It takes time to create the infrastructure and generations to change minds. Investing in public transportation, bike infrastructure and electrifying our cars are all necessary for our goal to lower green house gasses.

    Perfect is the enemy of good

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  • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Please clap lemmy

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    "But there’s no profit in that. Why would we do that?"

    • the people with all the power

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• ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s an interesting corollary to this in the school bus world. Beginning in 2004, the EPA started imposing emissions standards on diesel engines and the standards have become increasingly stringent over the years. The standards govern the allowed amounts of NOx (nitrous oxides) and particulate matter to be emitted, but the units measured are per-horsepower-miles, meaning that an engine with twice the horsepower is allowed to emit twice the NOx and twice the particulate matter amounts, which has led to bus engines that have much more power than their counterparts from twenty years ago did - despite this added power being largely unnecessary for hauling kids around at relatively low speeds.

  And importantly, the EPA diesel engine standards do not in any way govern CO2 output, so today’s school bus fleet is emitting far more of it than twenty years ago.

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• nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t remember the name of the effect, but it seems to happen a lot of times when newer technologies makes things consume less. People end up consuming more, either by increase of size, time of use of using more of the thing.

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• grte@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It seems like the growth of trucks should play a big part of it, too. When I was young the majority of vehicles on the road were cars. Where I’m at, at least, it seems like the majority of people are driving trucks with a large minority of crossovers, and the occasional 10 year old car.

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• Gigan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You can thank the EPA and their CAFE standards for that.

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• greenmarty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Let’s not point the finger at anyone for having stupidly big cars cough 🤧 US cough 🤧

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• greenmarty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Someone pointed our interesting loop in US legislative about trucks and how producers are making their cars bigger to escape small trucks hard mile/gas / size quotas + lobbying of car makers to keep the trend going because bigger car = more profit. I wonder how big they can get them before them trucks can’t drive in single line. Is there something similar to SUV by any chance?

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• bitwolf@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There is also that pesky light truck exemption the USA has held on to for decades.

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• Resonosity@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Rollie Williams and Nicole Company from Climate Town on YT talked about this on their podcast a few weeks ago: The Climate Denier’s Playbook.

  Car companies, at least domestic ones, are subverting fuel economy rules by making cars “like trucks” due to a loophole in the code about Light Duty vehicles (sedans are, trucks and SUVs kinda aren’t).

  It’s the same reason we see bigger and bigger trucks that look like tanks and that you can’t see children from. Those bigger vehicles require bigger engines to move, hence more greenhouse emissions.

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• menemen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Fuck SUVs.

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• MargotRobbie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is almost an “arms race” situation, since when there are so many gigantic SUVs and pickup trucks on the road, driving in a smaller car becomes a lot less safe in case of an accidental collision with a larger, heavier vehicle, and the only way to reduce that risk is to drive a gigantic SUV/pickup truck yourself and further exacerbate the problem.

  Having this many large vehicles on the street makes driving on the highway dangerous and unpleasant. LA’s traffic is especially terrible.

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• IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In the US, this is due to auto makers working around CAFE standards

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• killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m the city centre where I live, I’m allowed to drive a gigantic petrol 4x4 because it was made in 2021. A friend ours can’t take their 2010 petrol Polo in because they’ll be charged a congestion charge for their emissions.

  A lot of so called environmental legislation is just hidden taxes on the poor masquerading as progressiveness.

  Fuck congestion charges and fuck anyone who thinks that the average person can make a dent on this shit when companies and governments around the world continue to funnel more toxic and permanent chemicals into our environment every day than 1000 individuals will in their lifetime.

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• UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s a video that the longer the wheelbase of the vehicle the less stringent it has to be on fuel economy. Something about the 2008 or so cafe laws. Lots of older cars without direct injection get better fuel economy than newer ones that are just taller with the same interior capacity.

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• hark@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do we need another oil price shock to teach people a lesson again?

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• BarterClub@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And we did this to ourselves to make pickups in the USA not be required to have additional licensing. We did before Ragan if I recall correctly.

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• jasondj@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  CAFE should just differentiate by unibody and body/frame.

  Make unibody have a high requirement.

  You want a truck? You can have a truck.

  And get rid of paying your way out of your mileage requirement. Or at least raise the rate astronomically.

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• cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  2013 was just 3 days ago

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• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  World or US?

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• CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I wonder how motorcycles have fared? Motorcycle engine emissions seem to work different than car emissions. One thing I see a lot of is engines that were designed in the 80’s or 90’s (or 40’s, if it’s the right Royal Enfield) and are still sold now basically unmodified. You can buy a 2023 Suzuki DR650 right now today, and it will still have an air cooled engine with a carburetor on it.

  But tightening emissions regulations have started to push out some of these engines. There probably won’t be a 2024 DR650. The air-cooled Sportsters can’t be sold in the EU now, and it won’t be long before they’re gone in the US.

  I went from a 2009 Suzuki with the most simple of engines to a 2023 Harley with fuel injection, and overhead cams with variable valve timing. It has got to be a cleaner running engine, but I wonder how it compares to cars?

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• spikederailed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ive recently replaced the engine, but I hope to keep driving my 08 Speed3 for another decade. It’s annoying having everything else in the road so much larger, but I don’t want anything this size.

  #RejectSUVEembraceMiniVan

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• Usernameblankface@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So, are they bigger and heavier, or are they equivalent?

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Didn’t read the article but the headline contradicts itself.

  It says “equivalent vehicles” and then immediately talks about to difference in vehicle size and weight.

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