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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The hippie movement was something like 1% of boomers… Maybe as high as 5%, but that’s doubtful

  Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.

  It’s just boomers want everyone to think they were cool so they lie about what they were like back then.

  And they also lie and tell younger generations that they’ll also get racist, hateful, and stupid as they age. Yets facts don’t back that up.

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  • Mamertine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.

    I think that’s just a Southern thing. Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.

    They were prejudice, but it was more of a I’ve never seen anyone with that color skin and it’s different so I’m uncomfortable.

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    • explodicle@local106.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I had a very similar experience, didn’t think my family was racist at all until I got engaged. Northerners just hide it.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh wow…

      Yeah if they never told their grandkids they were huge pieces of shit, they most not have been. That absolutely proves they were part of the 1% of that generation actually on the right side of history.

      It’s not like as a generation they’ve spent 60 years lying about what they were like back then…

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    • Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      100%. Grew up in the Northeast, never experienced true racism in my family until I met my Arkansas relatives.

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    • BeautifulMind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.

      TBH when I hear someone say that about their parents (they didn’t say racist shit out loud) I take that to mean: they didn’t say that sort of stuff out loud.

      I just think about that as a sort of Schrodinger’s Racism- there’s an unknown distribution of super-shitty racists out there in Yankeedom too, but they’re neither racist nor non-racist until they open their mouths about it in un-coded ways. That it’s more covert there than it is in other places doesn’t really tell us if it’s more or less prevalent, it could just be telling us that in Yankeedom the racists feel ever-so-slightly more inhibited about being out loud about it.

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  • Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is a good chance that exposure to more and more lead over time was what caused their generation to become more that way over time. They just assumed it was normal progression because it was happening to almost everyone. Not realizing there was something that could artificially cause that progression.

    The kinds of changes in the brain caused by lead exposure do seem to line up with changes that would cause that behaviour. And even the people who stood to benefit financially from leaded gasoline decided it was a bad idea, so their own internal data must have been pretty damning to convince them to make less money.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh for sure, lead was 100% a factor.

      We can “out think” implicit racism with critical thinking, but we lose that critical thinking ability as a normal part of aging.

      Lead exposure fucks with critical thinking too, which compounds with aging.

      The good part of that is implicit racism can be offset by just seeing people of other races, even if it’s only on TV. So just watching Family Matters or Sesame St is enough to prevent in groups from forming along racial lines.

      So generations that came up watching Urkel are less likely to “become racist” as they age.

      Which makes states like Alabama banning Sesame St because it was racially integrated even more nefarious and explains why those states still have higher rates of racism.

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    • time_lord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It makes you wonder if the trans movement is partially due to micro plastics.

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are so many quotes that I’ve seen, about how young people are more liberal, and as you get older, people tend to get more conservative.

    … I’m an “elder” millennial… like, so early on in the millennial generation that I barely count as a millennial, myself and all my same-aged friends have pretty much been very liberal from a young age and I can confidently say, none of us have changed in this regard, despite all of us reaching 40.

    All the shit they say about getting older and changing your mind might be true for some, but on the whole, it’s little more than someone flapping their jaw and making sounds. No basis in reality.

    To give an easy example, all of my friends who are similarly aged, who attended college, have long since paid off any student loans we took out for college, even me, who did two diplomas (more than most) and had a difficult time getting into my field and earning a fair wage. Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system, and paid everything off ourselves? Why should they suffer like we did?

    More than a few don’t even have children, so it’s not like their kids are going to see a benefit from it. Yet, we support it. Because that’s what we believe in.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system

      But this is what loan forgiveness would do. It would punish future generations by driving up prices even more. Loan forgiveness is a one time handout to whoever happens to owe at the time. It’s a “fuck you, I got mine” move

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    • tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m in my mid 50s now and I haven’t got more racist… I’ve got angrier that things that were wrong in my youth are still wrong now, angrier at politicians that claim to represent me spouting racist bullshit. But if anything I’m more left wing than I was, and I’m definitely more liberal than I was 10 years ago.

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  • Peaty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most boomers did none of those things because most people were just living their lives.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just how old do you think boomers were in the '60s? The generation didn’t start until the baby boom after WWII (hence the name), so the oldest were at most 25 years old at the end of the decade.

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    • criitz@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The teens and young 20 somethings in the 60s were the counter culture. You know, “don’t trust anyone over 30”. So they were boomers.

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    • key@lemmy.keychat.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People just like using “boomer” as a euphemism for “old.” Same type of person as those who have used “millennial” as a euphemism for “young” for the past decade plus.

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  • DarkWasp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is pretty misleading. There was a mix of people good and bad, just like there is now. Plenty of racist and hateful millennials/zoomers as well that lean conservative.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The hippies I knew born in the 50s just wanted world peace and to stop racism. And wanted their pot to be legalized. And to listen to their rock and roll. And not have their books banned and have safe birth control….whoa, it’s like yesterday is today all over again.

    There was also a lot more dangerous cults running all over.

    boomer weren’t just white people. There was a lot of activism to end racism and to get unions in place.

    Their way of protesting was insane too. People were setting themselves on fire and purposely starving themselves. Self harm was a form of protest. They weren’t lying about that.

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  • Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think they get more racist. They hide it less, the fuck it in old mentally

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, they don’t get more racist, but they think that WE will.

      They think older = more experience = more knowledgeable. Old people are more racist, therefore racism must be cause by being more knowledgeable.

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• KaleDaddy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I work in the trade industry. Most of these people are conservative boomers. The things these guys say are absolutely horrifying. It isnt just the older guys though. Its the blight of converativism. These dudes say things that aound like they should be said by someone 1000+ years ago or in Saudi Arabia or something. Im talking about not just racism, homophobia, mysoginy but also honor killings, reasons rape can be justified, flying into a blood rage because you feel another has offended your masculinity. Moving to rural America (even in the north) has been incredibly eye opening to how insanely backwards parts of our society is. You have no idea until you see it

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  • ultratiem@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Casually mention that you’d no longer want to be referred to as “he/him but them/they” and watch the arteries burst lol

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oil, I know this one … it’s because you didn’t match the tense of the pronouns, right?

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  • IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most people who aren’t conservatives have no idea who they’re dealing with

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    • AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I doubt most of the conservatives even really know.

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  • Peaty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The “trade” industry?

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    • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Trade (noun)

      a skilled job, typically one requiring manual skills and special training.

      “the fundamentals of the construction trade”

      synonyms: craft, occupation, job, day job, career, profession, business, pursuit, living, livelihood, line, line of work, line of business, vocation, calling, walk of life, province, field, work, employment, métier

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    • funkajunk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How do you do, fellow workers?

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    what nationality are these boomers you are talking about? They all sound white and maybe from Texas or a small town that got caught in a time warp.

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    • KaleDaddy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      White, but in Vermont. I think my fellow Northerners get way too smug regarding the “backwards” south. Go outside urban areas in new rngland and youll see the same situation

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• bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just because you feel that, doesn’t make it true.

  There’s no real difference between boomers and anyone else. Still using the same wetware as every other human for 10k years.

  There will be rapey boomers, rapey gen x, rapey millenials and rapey gen z.

  For example, Andrew Fucking Tate and his regressive masculinity bollocks is extremely popular all over

  Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content

  gq-magazine.co.uk/…/anti-toxic-masculinity-moveme…

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  • bappity@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    as someone who lives in the UK, seeing Andrew Tate’s influence on kids is really depressing. those kids are gonna grow up as assholes not knowing any better

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    • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah… but I think the question is: if Andrew Tate didn’t exist, how many of those assholes would be balanced well adjusted men. Not many.

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    • hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      When I was younger, I looked up to a guy who was a piece of shit like Andrew Tate. I started acting like him and treating people poorly. I lost good friends and relationships. I realized that I was losing them because I was being a piece of shit. So I stopped.

      I guess my point is, even if someone is a piece of shit after looking up to Andrew Tate, they’re not hopeless.

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    • player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The world isn’t ready for Gen Alpha.

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  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just because some statistics show something like

    Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content Doesn’t mean that every single one of those views were done in the same way.

    I watched some crazy shit when I was 16 but I didn’t think Faces Of Death was anything more than entertainment.

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    • bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You could just read he article I linked though

      Nearly eight in ten 16-17 year-old boys in the UK have watched Tate’s content, according to a survey by the anti-extremism group Hope Not Hate, with just over half viewing him in a positive light.

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  • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The difference is what was considered acceptable. My father in law (who is an asshole) told a story about how they would make comments to a woman he worked with about her boobs. This was in the 70s. She didn’t have much choice but to put up with it. There was no HR to go to, or they wouldn’t care. So they kept doing it.

    Nowadays people are a lot more cautious at work. I know it’s just one setting, but that’s a great example how things have changed generationally.

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    • Peaty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not commenting on people’s appearance at work is an 80/90s thing.

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  • AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thank you, these threads get so frustrating. Every thread where boomers get mentioned, there’s so much hate, and a lot of questionable information. Younger generations have done so good about fighting intolerance, and have a lot of the credit for progress with women’s rights, LGBTQ+ rights, etc., but so many people seem completely comfortable making sweeping generalizations about boomers all being money grubbing misogynistic bigots. I don’t think this community would stand for it if people said “I can’t wait until they’re all dead” about any other group, but I see it regularly about boomers.

    And a lot of the impressions are just wrong. Here’s a Pew research chart on the 2020 election demographics by age. Yes, it does show that there are more older Trump voters than older Biden voters, but take a look at the magnitude of the differences - it’s very small. Also notice that the difference between the number of younger Trump voters and younger Biden voters isn’t that great either.

    People think all the older people are wearing MAGA hats and all the younger people are wearing pride shirts, but the reality is the amount that the age groups skew one way or the other isn’t that huge. There are tons of liberal older people (like me) and lots of conservative younger people.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yup. Rooshv is a genx.

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• Bongles@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You take weird showers my friend.

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  • misterdoctor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Took me a full sixty seconds to understand how OPs post made you think about a shower before I realized which community this was smh

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• SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Those boomers weren’t the free love boomers

  Hippies and free love/swinger people were a very small minority that got a lot of press due to the sexual revolution.

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• DarkWasp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s men in the 60s that are that way and men who aren’t. I’ve met plenty of misogynistic zoomers too but don’t classify the entire generation that way.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is a very important perspective. Thanks for getting it out there.

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  • Sigmatics@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The massive generalization in the post title deserves a downvote, honestly

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• Candelestine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It depends. Some people were literally using the counterculture movement as a sort of cover for their insanity, you’ve got people like Manson that were turning hippies into serial killers.

  Then you’ve got the polar opposite, of actual hippies staying dirty hippies and not caring about anything that might be a bother to anyone. The worlds most innocuous and mild people after Buddhist monks maybe, assuming you don’t mind the smell of patchouli oil.

  So, it’s a whole range of people, as usual. Any attempts to lump them all together into a group and apply a universal set of traits to that whole group is dangerous, mistaken and oversimplified.

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  • LegionEris@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, both aspects of the movement/culture were very real. It’s the same in the poly communities of today. You have people hiding behind the positive veneer of modern polyamory to abuse. You also have people so genuinely overflowing with love that they need at least two romantic partners to use up their normal level of romantic energy. And most people are somewhere in between those two extremes.

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• DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe try not to make such sweeping generalisations.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Boomers in 1960 would have been, like, 15 years old at most.

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• VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That was specifically hippies, who strongly tend to be pacifistic and egalitarian. Find an old hippie that kept the philosophy, they’re interesting to talk to. Pre-marital sex among the general population did increase thanks to new and readily available forms of birth control, but I’d expect that people in the '90s were probably having more casual sex than people in the '60s. Remember, hippies were a minority.

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• sock@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  being a boomer was prolly pretty good deal if you were a white heterosexual dude

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  • dasgoat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re the loudest about how the good old days were just so good, and old, and days.

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• Kabloink@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As a tail end boomer, I spent the 60s watching sesame street, Hanna Barbara cartoons and attending kindergarten classes.

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But dreaming about racism and destroying the environment for fun, right?

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  • RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you spent a decade attending kindergarten classes, then you may have an issue.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  you gotta remember that the 60s had many different counter cultures and it wasn’t all just hippies. it’s also where conservatives like george will and paul weyrich came about.

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  • yata@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hippies were a small minority. They were just covered a lot by the media, but people seem to forget that Nixon won his re-election by a landslide.

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• Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  how rape is defined has changed a lot too(in a good way to denounce and clarify away the apathetic fuzzy definitions that worked against victims of rape far too often)

  And too many rapey songs. Not to say that 90s were any better. When rap really came into its own lots of misogyny is packed into the foundation. It used to be really cool to hate on women. I do not miss those days.

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  • Aux@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Used to be? I have some bad news for you, mate… Just look at how men react when women try to defend themselves in any public debate, especially online. Every men suddenly turns into a trans and every woman is called a TERF and dehumanised publicly. This shit is more out of control than ever!

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  • Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Used to be? You must be new to the internet.

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you are. Because In comparison: They were trading pictures of rape on regular subs. And it was considered normal. I don’t see that happening on Reddit today nor on lemmy. There were a lot of things ‘normal’ 15 yrs ago that would be banned today.

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• db2@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  … said the person who wasn’t there.

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nono “boomers” are all inherently evil. It’s not ageism if everyone just joins the jerk.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So basically, NoT AlL BoOmErS?

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  • TruTollTroll@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If their movies from that era weren’t a good enough insight…

    John Wayne was a racist sexist POS and it shows in all his Westers . Most mobster movies objectified a specific group as less than… while glorified another… even though their actions were just as messed up.

    women and people of color were on the bottom barrel of being treated decently in these movies… How many scenes are there of men slapping a woman and then passionately kissing her as she hits him and it does nothing to him… it was a popular trope…

    But I am sure those were only movies and not indicative of how white men actually viewed life. Its not like they were trying to capture an audience in relevancy

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    • db2@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s a whole fake British accent invented by Hollywood because they thought it sounded sophisticated. Nobody talked like that in real life, nobody outside that group asked for or wanted it. The fact it exists and is in TV and movies doesn’t mean they’re “trying to capture and audience in relevancy” because there isn’t one.

      The people who decided what was ok on TV and movies were assholes. That trend continued for a very long time (Weinstein ring a bell? How about what happened to Cory Haim?) and it’s only recently that it’s getting effectively called out and removed. Well past when it should have, that we can agree on.

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• Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You still have people active in the current politics, who voted against counting rape in marriage as such.

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My grandparents met in the 60’s and I don’t think it was forced

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  • Toto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m sure your grandparents are lovely. My thoughts were more with the decision makers from that era. How peace and acid translated into oppressive views of women

    I know it’s an unfair comment to make but it’s in response to generic older generation pissing on the next, saying how things were better in their day.

    The vast majority of boomers I’ve met have been kind. But there’s an element of the old men on tv victim blaming that got me thinking it’s a pattern from their idealized days when women “knew their place” and the “negro man” wasn’t so complainy

    Maybe my shower thought was too harsh sounding.

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    • Something_Complex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Literally any old James bong has a “slap the bitch to her senses” kinda vybe. If I’m not wrong he actually does

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That seems like a overly broad assumption. However my grandparents are from the south and my grandma remembers never seeing anyone non-white.

      It turns out they were all killed by the KKK… (That was in the 30s and 40s)

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• firadin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Look at 80s sex comedies and realize they were made by people who learned what they knew during the 60s. You’re not wrong.

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• iwenthometobeafamilyman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  American women couldn’t have bank accounts until 1974.

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