Yeah, the idea of Amazon running my home security did NOT appeal to me. I went with another brand.
Ring Cameras Join Flock and Amazon to Now Create Direct Data Access for ICE
Submitted 9 hours ago by theHRguy@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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davidagain@lemmy.world 39 minutes ago
GhostPain@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Oh noooo, that thing we warned people about when it came out is being misused in exactly the way we warned people it would be misused.
Oh nooooo.
I’m tired grandpa. Too damn many stupid people in this world.
JBPinkle@bookwyr.me 1 hour ago
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HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
While your at it, dont buy from amazon
PagPag@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
People send me links to Amazon products and seem bewildered when I just don’t open them and or respond to send me the actual link to the mfr website.
Fuck amazon
Jhex@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
There was a time when I thought that was impossible… now I don’t even have an account
I think my wife keeps one because according to her (and I believe this is true) there are things you just can’t buy elsewhere anymore. So far, I have been fine not buying something if it’s only on Amazon but I can see cases where that would be impossible.
Other than that, fuck Amazon right off
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
We can only hope these companies are treated as collaborators in the future.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
How were collaborators treated the last time around though?
eksb@programming.dev 7 hours ago
Volkswagen, Ford, UBS, and IBM are all doing pretty well.
genericuser2000@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
When do you people WAKE UP? What accountability? What responsibility? When in the last decade plus has any if that happened?
I’m sure it’s just around the corner…
Open your damn eyes. The entire planet can see it, why are Americans so blind?l is it intentional? You guys let J6 slide ffs, why would there be an ounce of accountability now or ever? UNREAL
deliriousdreams@fedia.io 4 hours ago
it's very real. This is history repeating itself for the umpteenth time. You aren't the first, nor will you be the last one to scream into the void about people who have been deliberately disenfranchised by their government with the direct intent of making them toothless against what is essentially a fascist regime.
The problem is that you're screaming a lot but not offering actual solutions except a general idea of "Fight!". That's not helpful, and it sounds a lot like condescension.
I understand that you're expressing frustration and disbelief and anger. But people here are angry too and they are fighting where they can. But as this and other news is very demonstrative of, the system is rigged against them and things get worse in that regard every day.
App stores removing apps that track ICE. People who share their outrage but not solutions/who don't boost actual efforts to fight.
News article that focus solely on the bad part and offer no solutions. The fact that you don't come across many posts with actual solutions isn't a it's intentional. People ignore things that help so they can remain outraged, supercilious, and smug.
ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Crazy how a company owned by Amazon would do this. /s
Etterra@discuss.online 5 hours ago
Oh look another smart technology I didn’t adopt for the exact reason being talked about. You can’t trust big tech to not collaborate with whoever it’s the most profitable to collaborate with.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s not really a trust thing. They are companies, not people. The top decision makers have a fubuciary responsibility to do whatever makes money. They can, and often do, get sued if they don’t. So you can expect them to sell you out. It’s literally thier purpose for existing.
stoly@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
They are companies run by right wing shitbags. How many genocides were conducted on Facebook?
hector@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
You can’t trust big tech to not collaberate with, big tech either. You don’t want them with your information, even if it’s not readily apparent how it could hurt you. Before you know it you could be in a fascist dictatorship and wondering how you got there, this is part of the reason. Or would be in that completely hypothetical situation that in no way mirrors our own situation with our dear most intelligent and not al all dickish supreme leader.
RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
You know they are in all of your cloud connected cameras, inside your home, inside your tesla, pretty much everywhere you have a camera… Definitely not just at your front door. The key thing to understand about the surveillance state is that they only acknowledge access of personal data if they intend to use it in a court room. Most of it is just used for spying, information gathering, and parallel construction if necessary.
sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 minutes ago
There’s a term I haven’t heard for a while.
thenoirwolfess@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Ring is owned by Amazon, so it makes sense. You can’t really trust any company fully, but Anker and Reolink are OK for now
dan@upvote.au 5 hours ago
Reolink
Any cameras that can operate entirely offline are good. Dahua and Hikvision are good too. Just follow best practices - keep them isolated on a separate VLAN with no internet access. If you want remote access to your NVR, use a VPN like Tailscale.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Though, on the other hand, having the video saved offsite is useful because then anyone with physical access to your home can’t get rid of the video showing they’re there.
This is not an argument in favour of using cloud services, because that gives access to your video to anyone the company deems should have access (or sometimes individual workers who either have access as part of their job or gain access because businesses suck at security). It’s in response to you saying isolate the cameras from the internet entirely; there is a good reason to have them connected (though you could have a PC handle that with a connection to two networks and no physical or software bridge between the two, just take video from one, upload (encrypted) to server on other).
notthebees@reddthat.com 4 hours ago
Hikvision is app only which is really annoying. I wouldn’t recommend it. (it also crashes my emulator for some reason)
4am@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Anker owns Eufy right? The company that had all their cameras recording to a publicly accessible cloud storage?
Yeah not trusting them either.
Mailloche@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
My eufys are supposed to be local only. Shit I hope so… That’s why I bought them in the first place
paraphrand@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
HKSV does not get sent to ICE.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
Have considered a plain old doorbel and a peep hole on the door?
Low tech, cheap, cheap to install, lasts a lifetime.
Heck, if safety is the concern, install a periscope. Yes, mirrora inside a tube, to get to see, from a distance, who is at the door.
You want footage? Photos?
Install a local camera. Like one of those that are setup by biologists to film animals in the wild. Triggered by motion sensing. Or talk with someone technically inclined and install a local system.
DrMartinu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
If it doesn’t use a BNC connector I don’t trust it
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 hours ago
Make sure to put a cover on the peephole. There is some sort of lens or something that can allow someone outside to see through it.
fonix232@fedia.io 8 hours ago
Or just use one of the hundreds of other brands that provide smart doorbells.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
Honest question: what is the reason to have a doorbell of this kind?
rumba@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
I like to know when a package arrives, and when someone has stolen it.
Doorbell cams are just too convenient. You already have power there. There’s footage and audio.
Of course, I’m technically inclined…
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’m more concerned about safety on my property than privacy. I use Wyze Cams. I’m fine with it.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
You can have both. I have a 360 camera set up around my house that records to a local dvr. I can remote into it when I’m not home and I’m not supporting ghoulish companies like google or Amazon.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 7 hours ago
You might want to consider a different brand:
“So violated”: Wyze cameras leak footage to strangers for 2nd time in 5 months
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Of course that happened, that happens every time when you buy things but then don’t own them.
I’ll buy cams for my home, but they’ll be for ME alone because they’re MY cameras, MY video.
Obligatory fuck Amazon and fuck the USA
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 minutes ago
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Zoneminder/ Shinobi for Linux seems to be the software, and milestone is free up to eight camera channels if you only have a Windows box to run the cameras (I’m a dealer, so if you’re a Windows person and you get lost ask me how.)
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Don’t buy anything from Amazon.
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Dammit, I fell for rings assurances of “only in response to a warrant”. Mostly out of laziness, but still …… I really am going to have to figure out self hosting a video doorbell, aren’t i
nodiratime@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Bare in mind that the government requires a warrant to obtain data against you, the barrier in which to get a warrant requires probable cause.
Obtaining data about you from a company only requires a subpoena if the company doesn’t cooperate.
BUYING data about you from the same company is completely allowed.
Until we get privacy laws, we are truly fucked.
tempest@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Ubiquiti offers a product that will do that out of the box iirc but I have no idea if it’s good.
Still ring has been handing stuff to the cops for years at this point. They only “stopped” recently and I guess started again.
rumba@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Ubiquiti offers a product that will do that out of the box
- You need to host a controller for it. It needs the Protect platform to interface with. You can host that for free.
- The hardware is fine.
- The included app is marginal
- it supports onifv and can be added to blue-iris or frigate.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Only problem with the Ubiquiti offering is that it offers no storage, you need a controller with storage installed.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
It’s easy to do. Mine is a reolink piped through Home Assistant.
Zikeji@programming.dev 8 hours ago
Here’s an archive link in case anyone else refuses to give Substack views due to their affinity for Nazis: archive.is/ns4Yq
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
This was the kick in the ass I needed. Removing that device tomorrow.
innermachine@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Wish somebody would open source these things… Was gifted a really nice flood light cam with audio and hate to bin it. Their decent hardware.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I’ve been using this for years and it’s about to become my main. I put a memory card in it and can access it globally without a subscription to any service. It’s “compatible with Alexa” but that’s not ever happening.
stonedonkey@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Same i had canceled the monthly but I suspect they still have access…
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I canceled my subscription a few minutes ago. I’m not fucking around. The device will be ripped off the entryway as soon as it’s light outside.
This is fucking wrong and I won’t stand for it.
fort_burp@feddit.nl 5 hours ago
Are people going to start listening to their “paranoid” nephews yet?
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
As far as I can tell it’s still voluntary. This is their policy. It sounds like if you choose to share photos or video with public safety organizations, that now Flock and hence ICE can access it.
That all said, fuck Flock and I certainly don’t want anything I share (which I never have) to contribute to the profits of a private surveillance company. The solution here appears to be share nothing with public safety at all ever so that contract is worth nothing.
db2@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Nice of them to completely undermine what “p public safety” means for the 326,774,980th time.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
inaccessible image of text
Do commenters know they can copy text instead of break web accessibility?
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The owner chooses what to share in response to a request. Just like IRL when the police knock on an owner’s door to request information.
Yes, through this program you are technically correct that the user has to press a button to send the video to law enforcement through this specific program.
This implies that the user has the ability to refuse to send the video to law enforcement, but that is not true.
The videos are stored on Flock/Amazon’s servers and that means that the police can, via a subpoena or court order, access the footage or real-time video from any device or storage that the business can access. You have zero say in this and cannot opt out, the case law on requesting ‘business records’ is long settled case law as is the idea that digital files are considered ‘business records’.
In addition, this program does not preclude Flock/Amazon from voluntarily providing access to anybody or any group that asks/pays. The data is theirs, not yours.
This program is whitewashing the creation of a nation-wide real-time video surveillance network, paid for by you or via your tax dollars.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Do commenters know they can copy text instead of break web accessibility?
Broken as intended on the Ring website. Couldn’t copy/paste text. Would’ve forced the issue were I on desktop at the time.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Looks like you didn’t read the whole article.
TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I remember last year when there was a trend of AI generated videos that depicted animals or people doing ridiculous and crazy things on doorbell cameras. Everyone was surprised at how realistic they looked but never questioned why there was enough training data of doorbell cameras to make them in the first place.
Not that relevant, but it makes it pretty clear how “private” this data was in the first place.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
To be fair, a LOT of people voluntarily post doorbell videos on public sites like Facebook, X, Next Door etc. plenty for AI to scrape without even touching “private” brands.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Also, even this is vastly overstating how difficult that it would be.
You don’t need to train an entire network to make doorbell camera videos/pictures. There are techniques (like IP Adapters) that can take a single photo during inference and copy the style onto any other generated work. With applications like ComfyUI, this is a matter of dropping a node onto the generation graph and choosing a photo (or several photos), 3-4 clicks.
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
Reason #186729 why it’s insane to have no right to privacy in public.
Fun fact: Recording the public is illegal in Germany. Any private video camera must only be able to record your own property. If you do record (and store - smart doorbells without storage that are only active when they are rung are exempted) material you must have visible warnings (that others can see BEFORE being recorded) or else any evidence you collect is likely to be thrown out in court.
Dojan@pawb.social 7 hours ago
It’s the same here in Sweden. You’re definitely allowed to vlog and such, if you’re recording yourself, or general environment stuff for a purpose that’s okay. You aren’t allowed to surveil public areas. Naturally this also means that doorbell cameras can be perfectly fine, provided they don’t catch public spaces. If your door points sideways for example, and there’s a hedge blocking any public space, you’re fine.
If you’re in a flat and you’re recording the stairwell, well that’s illegal.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Love the digital panopticon, love being tracked by Nazi pedophiles at all times
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
My old ring is in a box ready to go to electronics resell/recycling. Maybe it needs a meeting with my friend Sledge before it goes out, so it can’t hurt anyone again.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
+1 - Break out that hammer!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Every liberal yuppie that got one of these things is an idiot and a hypocrite.
Everyone else who got one is an idiot, but goddamnit were these trendy amongst the hypocrite liberal yuppie crowd.
ch00f@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
1984@piefed.world 7 hours ago
Find me in your local library
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Are any brands decent? Unfortunately my door doesn’t have a peep hole so I need a camera.
SlimePirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Make the hole
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Frosted glass door.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 hours ago
Did OP know the form to create/edit posts has a field named URL?
screenshot of form Create Post marking the field label URLjpablo68@infosec.pub 7 hours ago
Orwell would be proud, or horrified, or both.
northernlights@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
Fuucking collabos
normalentrance@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
I enjoy having cameras on my house to see what’s going on in the neighborhood. It has come in handy at least once when my neighbor’s truck was stolen in broad daylight.
They are ring cameras because two were installed already when I moved in. What should I switch to? I just really want motion alerts and proof when something bad happens.
Zetta@mander.xyz 31 minutes ago
Unifi Ubiquiti products are the best option for completely local data hosting and camera services with really good “ai” detections all run locally, but they aren’t that cheap and you’ll need to buy one of their Unifi protect capable routers which is gonna be like $300 by itself.